Who is on the way to Meereen?

Illifer, I'd forgotten about this passage... from Dany's chapter, correct?

In the Book of Revelations, Death is described as a Pale Rider upon a Pale Horse. Clint Eastwood used that in Pale Rider (maybe High Plains Drifter as well, it's been a while since I watched them) and the English and French were accutely aware of this portayal of Death in the fifteenth century, but somehow I don't think GRRM will be fully employing St. John's imagery. Pale might mean sickly instead of death.

Somebody help me, doesn't Quaithe wear a white mask or am I just imagining that? I do know that Dany has never seen Quaithe's face. The white mask is probably wishful thinking on my part.

Mare does mean female... so we're looking for a sickly, white, horsey woman. What about Arya Horseface? What about a deputation from the old crones of Vaes Dothrak? I've forgotten their collective name.

Who is the perfumed seneschal? Varys? Illyrio? Marwyn?

It's interesting that we know that Marwyn seems in all haste to find Dany, but unless he's the perfumed seneschal then he does not seem to be mentioned in that passage.

Edit: Okay, I went back and looked up the heraldry of Westeros at The Citadel. Houses with a horse (I'm trying to find the pale mare) in their arms are Ryswell (black horse head), Bracken (red stallion), Roote (brown horse), Brax (purple unicorn on silver), Doggett (white unicorn), Caswell (yellow centaur), Risley (black knight on a black horse), and Rogers (silver unicorns).

Interestingly, Aegor Rivers aka Bittersteel, the founder of the Golden Company had a red stallion on his personal arms.

And House Velaryon has a silver seahorse on sea green. Aurane Waters, who might or might not be the mummer's dragon, is either the current lord's son or brother.

By the way, could pale mean blonde or white hair? The Velaryons and the Daynes are both of Valyrian blood... Ashara has been mentioned as a possiblity for Quaithe... and now Aurane has disappeared.

Nothing, in my quick look at the heraldry of Westeros, leapt out at me. One of the old Dothraki crones sent to fetch Dany to join them seems the most likely scenario to me.
 
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Could Dany possibly be the pale mare, in that she is now dothraki, a horse lord (lady), but is pale skinned and fair-haired? It's been awhile since I've read that full chapter, so I can only go off the quoted segment, and this could be entirely discounted within the proper context, but perhaps the prophecy is saying, first Dany, the pale mare, had to appear (or, indeed, be created) and then - because she appeared - to her would come the crow and lion and kraken and so on and so forth?

I don't know, seems the best explanation to me. As Boaz has shown, it's a stretch to make anyone else we've come across fit that description...
 
Hmmmmm... Dany comes to terms with herself? I guess, Cul. I've got nothing better.

Wait, could Pale Mare be religious or political? I just remembered that the god of Qohor, one of the Free Cities, is the Black Goat. Could another of the Free Cities have a White Horse as it's god or emblem? If so, then a female representative might fit...
 
when i read that line "the pale mare" immediately made me think of Dany. If her son was meant to be the "Stallion that mounts the world" and she's technically now a dothraki, it makes sense to me.

Also the "Crow" could easily mean anyone of the night's watch... since they are colloquially referred to as Crows...

Loras is unlikely to be recuperating from horrific burns. The Tyrell's have almost certainly hidden him... Either sending him to Dany, or keeping him away from King's Landing and possible accusations of incest with Margaery.
 
The situation for Margaery seems dire. If forced to choose between Margaery and Loras, I'd think that Loras is more expendable than the Queen. Unless, the Tyrells are pulling the same stunt with the Lannisters that the Westerlings pulled with the Starks.
 
Why couldn't one of these be an imposter? I'm not meaning Aurane Waters posing as Aegon but what of the Faceless Men sending someone to Dany?

OR

Could Jon be the Mummer's Dragon? What a twist of irony would it be that Dany is told she has a cousin(?) in Jon, goes to him, he is also told of his supposed true heritage but it turns out to be an elaborate lie. So R+L=J is revealed to be true but in the end turns out to be a lie...For what purpose, well, that's secondary.

Just throwing it out there as we don't really have anything else to talk about.
 
The passage seems to be quite literal. A mummer is someone in disguise, wearing a mask. So, a dragon under the control of someone pretending to be something else, or someone who is literally masked?
 
Wasn't Varys a mummer? Certainly he is a master of disguise. Could he be pulling Aurane's strings?
 
Varys could also be a Targ... well a Blackfyre... but still... theres a chance. A Mummer and a Dragon... he does shave his head, as Egg did to hide his heritage...
 
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Varys could also be a Targ... well a Blackfyre... but still... theres a chance. A Mummer and a Dragon... he does shave his head, as Egg did to hide his heritage...
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Good point about the shaved head. And how like Martin it would be to draw parellels between the main series and the prequel novelllas, as he has done with Brienne.

From memory, Boaz, Quaithe wears a red-lacquered mask.
 
If Dany is the pale mare (mother of the stallion who was to mount the world, mother imagery, horse imagery, Khaleen queen), then, did Jon become a crow after she became married to Drogo? Don't see how they hook up, but all may be revealed in time.

Varys could be the mummer's dragon, and it would be interesting to know what his hair colour is. (nice catch devilsgrin).

Then we have Connington(don't see who else is a griffon), Tyrion(probably) or Jaime, as the Lion, Victarion as the Kraken, and what's his name as the sun's sun.

???
 
Quentyn Martell.

Also, we have not been formally introduced to the Griffon yet, so there is the possiblity that we have not yet been introduced to either the Pale Mare or the Mummer's Dragon.

One more thought... Just the term mummer's dragon conjures up the thought of someone pretending to be a Targaryen. But...

The Faceless Men started with one slave in the Valyrian mines. It is my understanding that the Targaryens were not the only Valyrian nobility with dragons. Since the Valyrians were noted for their beauty, power, and ability to make war (i.e. to kill), could their ******* children, the Faceless Men, be considered as candidates as Mummer's Dragons?
 
If the mummer's dragon is a Faceless Man, then GRRM had better start dancing!
 
Remember that Jon Connington is likely not the griffon but rather Young Griff, who we have not met and may present a problem rather than an opportunity for Dany.
 
Jon Connington is the Griffon.

SPOILER
If Young Griff is someone pretending to be Aegon VI pretending to be Connington's son, he would be the Mummer's Dragon.
 
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