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I read this one several times, wanting to understand it because I sensed an interesting idea behind it, but being left utterly baffled. The main problem was that I couldn't identify most of the speakers, nor to what they were referring. Who's been drinking? The acrobat? The beast? And, like Parson, fire what? Or who? What's been torn again? The canvas? Tell who what?

Interesting. I thought the acrobat's clumsiness would tie the drinking to him, and the thundering of the canvas would tie it to the tearing. I have problems with this sometimes, which are made much worse by word counting, trying to get as much of a story as possible into a small space. I'm not sure you wouldn't have given me the benefit of the doubt if I'd placed my speakers somehow and identified them. It seems like that was a major issue anyway. It's useful for me to hear how it was seen anyway, thanks for sharing.

By my count, you still had four words left. I think, if you'd used these four (and maybe a few others culled from elsewhere) to answer some of these questions, it would have paid off.

I think as much as anything I was scared of it reading badly though. I could have clumsily added more hints (probably would have done if I hadn't convinced myself it wasn't opaque) but I hate clumsiness. That probably means I'm going to be bad at this, given there isn't really enough space to do everything as neatly as you'd like. I stopped four words early partly because I was paranoid about counting it right (everytime I counted I got a different number) and partly because I couldn't find anything to add that wasn't ugly.

Anyway, thanks!
 
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I got all of that from your story, so that's something. I can see where "fire it" might have been confusing, but I understood that it was the acrobat. And "tore it" was obvious enough (to me) for the canvas. And I even understood what was going on!

In fact, I even got the beast -- but I remembered it as the "Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Kraal", so I actually thought you were borrowing that critter directly from Adams! :D

Oh, and in case you ever again immediately regret something after posting it, you can go back and edit for a little while before it locks you out. There will be an "edit" button at the bottom if it's available.
 
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Interesting. I thought the acrobat's clumsiness would tie the drinking to him, and the thundering of the canvas would tie it to the tearing.
i did tie the drunkenness to the acrobat but i assumed he was the 'she' who nodded and couldn't figure out who the acrobat would be firing, the it made me think of a cannon (human cannon ball but the 'it' made it some INhuman cannon ball) and before i confused myself further i left the image and moved on.
the yelling and screaming i didn't see as panicked people being eaten i had put a ring master up as the 'she' that would need to be told the beast was loose back stage and the yelling screaming people were the circus performers.
kind of like "what a nightmare, the whole night went badly and everyone will want their money back"

has the voting started?? i was wanting to add mine here, but i thought we had to wait till after the vote to do so. If i missed the voting i will curse the cold that kept me off line the last few days that's for sure.
 
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I actually did understand it, save for the fact the kraal beast was running the show -- I just thought they were feeding it this way.

I got that the "it" referred to the acrobat, though his/its asexuality didn't occur to me so much as its being a mistake for "his", and the "She understands" I took to mean that she (who I thought was the equivalent of the circus ringmaster/owner) knew of the sheer drudgery of acrobatting which resulted in his/its drinking, which she could therefore forgive. I also got that it was the beast which had torn the canvas again, and the "You can tell her" suggested a kind of laconic seen-it-all-before your-turn-to-give-the bad-news attitude of the other performers. However, since "her" seemed to refer back to the "She" above, ie the owner, and she had nodded in response to an earlier comment from the speaker, I was confused as to why she wasn't there and needed to be told.

I agree with HareBrain that it might have been worthwhile making things a little clearer -- for instance "Fred's drunk again" isn't so very much clumsier for the same number of words, and then something like "She wouldn't sack Fred" saves one confusion. And you could have pulled "Gasps and" without any loss to the story (in fact it would have strengthened the idea of the lack of ability of the acrobat) giving you 2 more words to play with.

I was also confused by a couple of word choices. "Ripples" seemed to suggest something sinuous, at odds with the mass of the behemoth and its apparent ferocity, and "Thundering" for canvas doesn't convey ripping or tearing to me.



hopewrites -- this is a story from last month, so no need to panic! This month's Challenge is open until Sunday and voting doesn't close until next Thursday. You can put your story up here after that.
 
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I got all of that from your story, so that's something. I can see where "fire it" might have been confusing, but I understood that it was the acrobat. And "tore it" was obvious enough (to me) for the canvas. And I even understood what was going on!

Made my day that someone did! Thanks!

i did tie the drunkenness to the acrobat but i assumed he was the 'she' who nodded and couldn't figure out who the acrobat would be firing, the it made me think of a cannon (human cannon ball but the 'it' made it some INhuman cannon ball) and before i confused myself further i left the image and moved on.
the yelling and screaming i didn't see as panicked people being eaten i had put a ring master up as the 'she' that would need to be told the beast was loose back stage and the yelling screaming people were the circus performers.
kind of like "what a nightmare, the whole night went badly and everyone will want their money back"

Thanks for explaining how you saw it. It was definitely less successful than I hoped, but really useful to see all the ambiguities that I missed coming out.

I actually did understand it, save for the fact the kraal beast was running the show -- I just thought they were feeding it this way.

I can see that. I was trying to hang too much on "You can tell her": I thought that would convey the fact that it would be unwelcome to bring a petty complaint about torn props to a large, hungry boss, even after it finished with the audience. Trying to do too much with too little.

I agree with HareBrain that it might have been worthwhile making things a little clearer -- for instance "Fred's drunk again" isn't so very much clumsier for the same number of words, and then something like "She wouldn't sack Fred" saves one confusion. And you could have pulled "Gasps and" without any loss to the story (in fact it would have strengthened the idea of the lack of ability of the acrobat) giving you 2 more words to play with.

Hm you're right. I guess I was trying to convey an accident - and the gasps and scattered applause were part of that - not that it was a bad acrobat, that it was a very drunk acrobat. It's definitely a useful learning exercise to look back on the things I could've done better. I think a big part of my problem was trying too hard to find something that could be a self-contained excerpt from something I'd written in longer form. I managed to convince myself that too many ambiguities and tiny hints could be carried over (presumably just by my willing the readership to see them).

I was also confused by a couple of word choices. "Ripples" seemed to suggest something sinuous, at odds with the mass of the behemoth and its apparent ferocity, and "Thundering" for canvas doesn't convey ripping or tearing to me.

This is really interesting. I pictured a sheet covered lump. If you hide your dog (cat whatever) under the sheets then call its name, the sheets ripple and make a terrible racket as the dog struggles free. That was the image I was trying for (no dogs were harmed in the production of this story!). The tearing was meant to be an addition (I was trying to not to say anything more than once) based on the strength of its struggling.

Thanks again. It's really helpful to have all these different views of how it was seen. I appreciate it!
 
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Hi all, I apologise for my recent lack of attendance.. However, please let me offer my thanks to each of you for your insights, they are very much appreciated :) Now, trying to reply to you each in turn: -

Hi Little Missy,

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I found your entry both intriguing and truly alarming, but I didn't totally understand it. I think I kind of understood it, but I didn't get the connection between the cutting a bit out and Daddy enough to be confident that I had understood.

Also, and this is just a mini-thing, there were a lot of exclaimation marks and I got a bit overwhelmed by the end.

Hi Hex, I was a little worried writing it that the underlying story might not be picked up. However, considering my other choice, this seemed the most understandable - that tells you how bad my second choice was! And yes, I realise I am a little 'free' with the exclamations and will try to tone them down in future entries :eek:

Little Missy,

I'm sure some of veteran critiquers will be along but from a pure amateur here are a couple of things. Let me say that I think the idea is good, and there could well be something creepy and filled with horror.

But...

First, I couldn't make the connection between the "thing" and "Daddy coming home." I assume we are hearing a child, but when I get the line "play happy families..." I wonder if it might be the "thing" speaking.

Second, I was unsure what Daddy coming home had to do with not cutting the the "thing" out, especially if Daddy wasn't really loved. In fact that last line "play happy families..." made me wonder if the "thing" might have been something Daddy was responsible for.

For me the real trick in a 75 word story (coming from a rank amateur writer) is to let the reader see what's going on as the conclusion comes without exceeding our word limit.

I've liked your stuff before. I know at least once before you've been on my short list.

Parson

I whole-heartedly thank you Parson! The "thing" related more to an emotional element really, and the girl in my story was that of a teenager rather than a little girl. The whole 'happy families' being a somewhat sarky statement from a person too scared to do what they wanted in the face of their tormentor.

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As for the story itself, I think that I understood part of it, but I'm a bit hazier on the other.

Daddy and "happy families" I think refers to the father coming into the room to molest the child.

If so, the "thing" may be symbolic of the memories and the trauma she wishes she could cut out of her thoughts, out of her life. Or maybe it's a death wish.

But then there is the knife, and I wonder if Daddy may be about to get what he deserves.

Of course I could be entirely wrong about all of this.

All correct there TE, apart from Daddy getting what he deserves - in my mind the girl (teenager) was too scared to self-harm/end her life if he could find her before she had finished!

I also agree with the exclamation point excess.

My take on the story was that the child is being molested, and I concluded that she may be pregnant, thus cutting the "thing" out. But I wasn't sure about that.

No Pregnancy... just emotions! Too much held in the head for one person to handle. But you picked up on something which, may be in hindsight, I could have used. So I thank you for that.

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Also, one of the tricks of a short story is to make the ending snappy. Here your ending goes on too long for my taste, drawing a moral, to boot. Fine in the middle of the story, but to me the ending should be more dramatic. For instance, if you'd referred to "he" or "the monster" throughout and ending with "Daddy's home..." that would have given more power to it.

And when it comes to word count -- make the title work. "Family" is too neutral to have much effect on its own, so if instead you had used the "Happy Families" of the story, that frees up two words for you and because of the edge to it (since we know this was a horror story from the genre) it starts to sway people from the get go (assuming they read the title first, of course!).

But although I'm picking out these issues, for a beginner I think you did fine! So definitely you should carry on and join in more Challenges -- as you get more experienced these things will come.

Thank you Judge. These are some very valid points and ones I am sure to take into consideration in the future.

I thought the content of the Family story one of the best in the month, strong enough to carry a couple of minor details like excessive exclamation marks(!)

The molestation was implied strongly enough for it to "work" for the reader. I did not pick up on pregnancy, if that was intended; I assumed the "thing" was a whole cluster of emotions and impacts on the child, and the "cut it out" a psychological response to that, perhaps leading to future self-harm which is what made the story fit well into the theme for the month.

I have now read and posted in two of the 75-word challenges. It seems to me that stories of that length are almost bound to have some ambiguity and that is part of their charm.

At risk of making a gross generalisation, stories which are closed and unambiguous in 75 words are probably not saying very much at all.

Hi Sid Hawkins, and thank you for your comment. You've practically hit the nail on the head with how the story appeared to me!

I missed the molestation. Mainly because I only read the first paragraph. To my shame, I jumped to a wrong conclusion about how it was going to go and dismissed it.

I assumed it was the ranting of a disturbed child who was about to do herself in. Horrific enough, but up to that point in the story, not enough to make me want to get to the punch line.

Having read Teresa's analysis I now see I was a bad lad - for which I apologise profusely - and that the story had much more to offer.

However, I don't think this new insight would have swayed my vote.

I think the the problem may have been the layout.

The


Allowed me to break concentration and gave me the opportunity to skip.

It's possible that without these massive pauses I would have read to the end.

In fact, it would probably have read more true to life, if the father returning caused panic and a rush to the end. I fancy that is the more likely outcome of the situation you set up.

Similar to the panic instilled when anyone finds themselves up to 'no good' and on the point of discovery.

TEiN, thank you for your response here. I must admit to having not given enough thought to the actual layout and see now how that may have played against me. Something else for me to consider in the future!



Thank you all for your in-put. It is truly appreciated and, hopefully, I can put some of your advice to good use in any future challenge I choose to participate in.

(P.S. I will try to curb my excessive use of exclamations!!!!! :D)
 
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has the voting started?? i was wanting to add mine here, but i thought we had to wait till after the vote to do so. If i missed the voting i will curse the cold that kept me off line the last few days that's for sure.

Naw, the voting can't start until all the entries are in, and we haven't got the requisite 42 yet :).
If you had read first post, as the instructions specify, you'd know the changeover happens at midnight GMT between the 23rd and 24th of the month – days yet for laggards to prepare and polish their entries.

Looks around and coughs.

Yes, I got most of the story, except that the beast was boss. I suppose it's logical, that; in the sort of show-biz co-operative described the hungriest would rise to the top…
 
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I just discovered this thread. Maybe too late to ask... did anyone understand my entry at all? It was:

I thought I had understood it when I first read it last month. In fact, I liked it. I frequently don't get the details of most entries, so my approach is that I simply try to get the gist of things and leave it at that. If I don't understand the details, it's usually my own stupidity so I don't get hung up on it.

And now that I read your story again, I still don't get it. The gist (i.e. that the audience is an unwilling participant in the horrific climax) is fine; it's the other parts that I'm confused about. Who are the two people talking? Is one of the speakers the monster, itself? And I still don't get the "She won't fire it." part. I know you said you had originally planned it to be, "She won't fire him." but that doesn't make it clearer for me (told you I was thick...). Who won't fire who, exactly? And is fire used in the colloquial sense, i.e. terminate someone from their job? Or does it mean she won't set the monster flaming? And who is the she, anyway?

In any case, I did like your story. I can't remember if I had shortlisted it last month or not; and if not, I can't remember why not. But I do remember I liked the idea when I read it.
 
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After saying I understood it, now I have to backtrack and admit that I didn't realize the beast was running the show -- I somehow missed that in your explanation as well, and didn't pick up on that until later comments. I had all the rest, though, I'm pretty sure! :)
 
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Thanks for explaining how you saw it. It was definitely less successful than I hoped, but really useful to see all the ambiguities that I missed coming out.
happy to help
hopewrites -- this is a story from last month, so no need to panic! This month's Challenge is open until Sunday and voting doesn't close until next Thursday. You can put your story up here after that.

thanks! i kinda lost track of days while i was sick and jumped straight to panic mode. If i had kept any sense i probably could have figured out this story wasn't in the running for this month, but between the fever and the tissue i just went with panic as the easiest road. I'll check myself in the future.
 
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Yes, I got most of the story, except that the beast was boss. I suppose it's logical, that; in the sort of show-biz co-operative described the hungriest would rise to the top…

Nice way of putting it! I hadn't considered that aspect, I wish now I had worked it in somehow (and managed to show the beast was running the show!).

And now that I read your story again, I still don't get it. The gist (i.e. that the audience is an unwilling participant in the horrific climax) is fine; it's the other parts that I'm confused about. Who are the two people talking? Is one of the speakers the monster, itself? And I still don't get the "She won't fire it." part. I know you said you had originally planned it to be, "She won't fire him." but that doesn't make it clearer for me (told you I was thick...). Who won't fire who, exactly? And is fire used in the colloquial sense, i.e. terminate someone from their job? Or does it mean she won't set the monster flaming? And who is the she, anyway?

Ah see. The two people talking are the announcer and the stage manager, who are standing in the wings watching the show. The acrobat is drunk, and has just fallen from his wire/whatever. The manager isn't going to fire (sack) the acrobat because she understands why he's drinking: he knows what's about to happen. Then the ravenous kraal beast, the show owner - what hold it has on the other performers that they work with it is unclear - is presented, under a dust cover. The audience are shocked when they see it moving, but then even more shocked when it isn't restrained, or in any way caged. Instead, they're trapped in a room with it. It tears the canvas sheet struggling out from under it. The "she" at the end is the beast; neither of the two speakers wants to complain to her that she ripped the canvas cover that's part of her act again. I think that's a definitive description of what I failed to get across in seventy five words!

In any case, I did like your story. I can't remember if I had shortlisted it last month or not; and if not, I can't remember why not. But I do remember I liked the idea when I read it.

Thanks! I wasn't fishing for compliments but they're always welcome. I think it's pretty clear it was, shall we say, less able to be understood than I hoped! Still, you don't enter a no prize contest to win, you do it to learn. In a real way, everyone who competes wins (yea, wishy-washy liberal stuff, but it's still basically true).

After saying I understood it, now I have to backtrack and admit that I didn't realize the beast was running the show -- I somehow missed that in your explanation as well, and didn't pick up on that until later comments. I had all the rest, though, I'm pretty sure! :)

Oh well!
 
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The explanation was useful. Some of my problems now become clear. I assumed the "it" referred to the beast, and I assumed the "she" was also the "her" of "you can tell her". And another problem with that line: I interpreted it as "she won't mind you telling her", not "you be the one to tell her" (I think "You tell her", with the "you" in italics, would have been clearer and also got you an extra word).

As an exercise for my own amusement (slow night on TV), I tried in the below to make the story clearer (or as it would have been clearer to me, at least) while still keeping it to < 75 words (74 I think, so I've added three). Hope it's useful.



THE SHOW MUST GO ON


The acrobat limps offstage to hesitant applause.

"Ben's soused again," says Ralph.

Maureen nods. She won't sack him: she understands his drinking.

"And now," bellows Ralph, "what you've all been waiting for, from the swamps of Thesselonia, the ravenous kraal she-beast!"

A trumpeting cry answers. There's astonishment. The car-sized lump’s cover ripples. Canvas tears asunder.

"Ripped again," sighs Ralph.

"You tell her this time."

Screams. Panic.

"Somehow, they never see this coming."
 
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As an exercise for my own amusement (slow night on TV), I tried in the below to make the story clearer (or as it would have been clearer to me, at least) while still keeping it to < 75 words (74 I think, so I've added three). Hope it's useful.

This is brilliant HareBrain. I wouldn't have written it that way, but I like your version better than mine. It's much clearer. Naming would have got me much further forward, you're right. (Though Maureen?! I think you were somewhat tongue in cheek with that one!).

Anyway, it's very useful, thanks!
 
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I could kick myself! :mad:

I posted the wrong version of my story for October. I was reasonably happy with the version I posted:




Death Is Not An Option

Dear reader, consider if you will the contradictory nature of a coffin lining. Soft, comforting to the dead but uniquely constraining to the living.

Consider further the similarities between a coffin and a suspended animation pod. One sealed to contain a body in death for eternity the other in sleep for aeons.

This pod, relentless in its task, will sustain my life for centuries yet.

This pod, relentless yet malfunctioning – I am awake.



but thought that, whilst it reflected a nightmarish situation, I also wanted it to incorporate the possibility of an actual nightmare as well. So I decided to sleep on it. I had a couple of words to spare and the following morning came up with:



Death Is Not An Option

Dear reader, consider if you will the contradictory nature of a coffin lining. Soft, comforting to the dead, uniquely constraining to the living.

Consider further the similarities between a coffin and a suspended animation pod. One sealed to contain a body in death for eternity the other in sleep for aeons.

This pod, relentless in its task, will sustain my life for centuries yet.

This pod, relentless yet malfunctioning – I am awake. Or am I?




Then I went and posted the original! :mad:

Anyway, what do people think? Was I better off with the original horror or does the optional version work better by being closer to the theme?
 
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I prefer the posted version, definitely. The second reminds me too much of the Fry & Laurie sketch "The Red Hat of Patferrick", the ending of which brilliantly spoofs the "or is it?" style ending.

Having said that, although I felt the posted version did fit within the theme enough for me to seriously consider voting for it, perhaps the main reason I went with Cul's in the end was that it fitted better -- ie nightmare as a type of dream rather than just a hideous situation.

If you had posted version two, it would have fitted better, but would have made it a worse story, in my opinion.
 
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I agree -- I prefer the first, posted, version. I wasn't worried about restricting the theme only to dream-nightmares, so the lack of that aspect wasn't a problem.

I don't know if it's of interest, mosaix, but although it figured in my short-list, and was as well written as we've come to expect, the deliberate addressing of the reader and the use of "consider" like that counted against it when I came to choose. For me, the tone of those lines is too cool and detached, even ironic, for the nightmare situation in which he is being forced to exist. You obviously had an aim in mind in using it, but whatever it was I missed it, I'm afraid.
 
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If you'd posted the second version, mosaix, I may very well have voted for it.









;):)
 
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Death Is Not An Option

Dear reader, consider if you will the contradictory nature of a coffin lining. Soft, comforting to the dead but uniquely constraining to the living.

Consider further the similarities between a coffin and a suspended animation pod. One sealed to contain a body in death for eternity the other in sleep for aeons.

This pod, relentless in its task, will sustain my life for centuries yet.

This pod, relentless yet malfunctioning – I am awake.


I far preferred this version. I love the way that it leads the reader to properly imagine the situation: stuck for a near-eternity in isolation, with only one's thoughts for company. That's pretty horrific stuff!

I actually thought the second version took from that aspect by getting too philosophical. The 'or am I?' tagline raises some nice Cartesian questions about the perception of reality, but it removes the reader (or, rather, it removed me) from imagining the sheer horror of the situation that the above quoted version makes canon; if I'm left to ponder whether it's possible to tell whether I'm awake or asleep in suspended animation, then I can't just have that 'Ouch...' moment of realising this potential horror of space travel.

Either way, it was an extremely enjoyable entry and you deserve a big pat on the back.
 
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HareBrain, TJ, UM, Devil's Advocate and Ashcroft thanks for your considerations. Looks like I posted the correct version after all. :confused:

TJ, I was trying to bring about the 'feel' for the situation by understating it and letting the situation speak for itself. I feel that horror is often overdone.
 

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