The word "eldritch"

To go one step further (farther?, or further? I checked the dictionary and a writer's guide and an argument could be made for either one. "Farther" for physical distance as implied by "step" as people strolling along the path to better understanding, and "further" for adding to the exent of something such as examples?) andrew offutt (this is no mistake, last I heard he preferred lower case letters for initials) said you can do away with "that" almost entirely by either substituting "which" or just not using it at all. Not being a grammarian I can't vouch for this but I do believe there will always be exceptions.

Here again, I think there's something worth preserving in the "old-fashioned" distinction between "that" and "which." There is a difference in emphasis and, hence, meaning between these statements:

The wolf is an animal that has suffered from human prejudice.

The wolf is an animal, which has suffered from human prejudice.

"Which" is prescribed for nonrestrictive clauses.

The wolf is an animal which has suffered from human prejudice --- is just wrong, because it erodes a useful distinction between restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses. Nothing is gained except an iota of ease for ignorant, careless or ideology-driven writers. (The "ideology-driven" is a slap at people who want to deride such distinctions as elitist, i.e. as unfair to "disadvantaged" people. But anyone can make the effort to learn to write, though not everyone can afford to wear Nike gear.)
 
I doubled checked what you said (double checking is a habit of mine I do whenever I can) and you are correct. Got a quick verification online but the distinction must be a big one as Theodore M. Bernstein in THE CAREFUL WRITER spends three pages trimming this linguistic thistle.
 
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Well, thank you. When I saw that you'd responded, I feared you'd be taking me to task for not writing my second example sentence as:

The wolf, which has suffered from human prejudice, is an animal

--which would have been a better use of that "which" clause.


Lest this discussion seem more fitting for a usage list, let me say that it's my impression that HPL may be faulted -- sometimes -- for an overwrought prose style, for excessive or premature use of certain pet adjectives, and some other stylistic faults. I don't recall, though, that he was guilty of plain errors in grammar. (I don't hunt for these, but sometimes notice them anyway. I refer not only to his stories and essays, but to his letters.)
 
Well put, but I think I prefer the way Michael Dirda put it in CLASSICS FOR PLEASURE: "You may find their [Milton and Lovecraft's] language portentous, overblown, or rebarbative, but that's your problem, not theirs." (Page 207, hardback edition, just to prove I didn't make that up.:eek:) Not YOU specifically, of course, but anyone who likes to take a the occasional poke at "the most important and influential American writer of weird fiction since Poe." Dirda again.
 
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Well put, but I think I prefer the way Michael Dirda put it in CLASSICS FOR PLEASURE: "You may find their [Milton and Lovecraft's] language portentous, overblown, or rebarbative, but that's your problem, not theirs." (Page 207, hardback edition, just to prove I didn't make that up.:eek:) Not YOU specifically, of course, but anyone who likes to take a the occasional poke at "the most important and influential American writer of weird fiction since Poe." Dirda again.


I think Lovecraft himself was dissatisfied with much of his writing, and was a developing writer. On the other hand, it wouldn't be appropriate for me or anyone else to stake a lot on the thesis that, had Lovecraft lived longer, he would have become more and more the writer I have in mind. In fact I think there are multiple possibilities that have some plausibility.

One is that he'd have tired of being a threadbare gentleman, looked at himself and said that writing was his strongest skill, and tried to produce more writing for various markets. I don't mean that he'd have become a cynical hack writer, but that he would have accepted the idea of writing for money and seeing there is dignity in this type of honest work as in other types of work -- since he had not been favored by Lady Luck with an independent fortune. He might have gone more whole-heartedly into science fiction, since it afforded scope for his imagination and he was already scientifically literate. While Weird Tales was foundering (if I am not mistaken), the explosion of the science fiction pulps was not too far off. It is pleasant to speculate about HPL as a contributor, late in his career, to The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. But indeed, had he lived just a little longer, he might have submitted work to Unknown, and who knows if he would not have found himself exploring his capacity for witty writing there?
 
I honor Lovecraft for (so far as I'm aware without sitting down right now and rereading a bunch!) a generally high achievement as regards conscientious diction, as well as the related matter of good grammar and punctuation. But his writing developed. Is there, does anyone know, a good article out there about that?

There have been some good things written on this, yes. One is Steven J. Mariconda's "Howard Phillips Lovecraft: Consummate Prose Artist", included in his On "The Emergence of Cthulhu" and Other Observations. Don Burleson has also devoted some time to this in his various studies of HPL, from A Critical Study to Lovecraft: Disturbing the Universe (a series of deconstructionist readings of various works which also, necessarily, devotes some time to this).

First: I tend to agree with several of your points, though I think HPL used this particular word both for those associations and nuances of meaning, and for the sonic effect of the word. His prose itself was very carefully crafted to have, as others have pointed out, an almost incantatory effect; something he admired in not only the best writers of weird work, but literature in general, for its abilities to evoke the feeling of a place, setting, etc., including lighting and the observer's mood.

On other parts of the discussion: a really good, thorough etymology -- beyond what most dictionaries supply -- can be of immense help here, as they demonstrate the evolution of that word and how it acquired various meanings and significances, nearly all of which can be traced back to the original. Hence, Lovecraft's care in this regard can be seen, for example, with his use of the word "curious", in which he manages to incorporate both its earlier definition ("made or prepared skillfully, done with painstaking accuracy", along with its elaboration of "marked by intricacy or subtlety") and "arousing or exciting speculation, interest, or attention throyugh being inexplicable or highly unusual, odd, strange". However, HPL also recognized that he was perhaps overly fond of certain words and phrases, and overused them; however, they were quite natural for him, and when he attempted to steer clear of them, he often found himself with "literary lockjaw", and felt the results to be even less desirable than when he simply went with his natural bent.

On Wilum's use of such words: Having read a fair amount of his work, I would say that, yes, he does follow HPL in combining the informative with the expressive, and even the sonic (even his most elaborate stories tend to have a fair amount of the prose-poetic to them when it comes to diction); but, as I argued in my introduction to his Some Unknown Gulf of Night, his tendencies in this direction have long ceased to be imitation or pastiche, and have evolved into "adaptation; a drawing together of disparate elements into a quite different and personal other" -- much as HPL (despite his wailings on this aspect, at which time he was actually doing some of his best and most distinctly original work) did with his influences.

On whether or not the word should ever be used -- it's a nonsensical question, really. Any word should be used where more appropriate than another, and where such a word comes naturally to the writer in question. One should seek to avoid overusing a word, yes; but to deliberately eschew using a perfectly good word because of some critics' prejudice against its use, is simply asinine.
 

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