ADwD Dead Pool

IlliferThePenniless

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So this thread will be pointless come Tuesday (I am so excited).
I know there are some threads addressing this out there (TK...?), but lets all put our bets down on who we think won't survive book five..

I'm going to go with

•Jojen Reed (he's always saying 'this is not the day I day,' but I think one of these days it will, in fact, be the day he does)
•Stannis seems doomed to me, the whole living in the Night Fort thing isn't terribly promising.
•I think Theon is going to get some kind of redemptive end, though I know there aren't a ton of folks around here who agree with me.

What's everyone else thinking...?
 
Illifer, I politely disagree with your assessment of Theon. I do not envision a redemptive end for him. I see him doing anything to earn his freedom and his life. Theon will become the Wormtongue of ASOIAF. As Grima son of Galmod became Worm, Theon will become Reek. He'll hate Ramsay, he'll curse Ramsay, but in the end he'll go along with everything Ramsay orders... in the end he'll long to do whatever Ramsay even hints as desirable. Theon will not redeem himself. He'll be an object lesson of playing on a slippery slope and getting his heart's desire.

The obvious character to look for redemption is Jaime and this has been discussed elsewhere. But instead of Theon, look to Jorah. I think his heart may be softer than Theon's. I think he may find some way to prove himself honorable. I'd look for this to happen by Jorah going to the Wall and dying in defense of the Seven Kingdoms... like his father. But then again, I'm not going to dismiss the idea that Jorah may go crazy and kill Lynesse, his second wife, and himself in a murder-suicide... but once again, I think this will not be resolved until the sixth or seventh book.

Cul, I beg to differ. Those three will live until at least the last four chapters of the sixth book, The Winds of Winter. I think one or two of them will die in A Dream of Spring, the seventh book, to produce the bittersweet ending.

Dead Pool.... hmmmm, Doran is in poor physical condition. Lancel's health is a bit better, but he's in way over his head. Lord Gyles Rosby is also failing. Pycelle is also a bit old, besides being a scumbag. And with Cersei and Margaery imprisoned by the Faith and with Jaime, Kevin, Mace, and Loras gone from KL, I think the days are numbered for Rosby and Pycelle when the High Septon declares Lancel Lannister as regent... with the High Septon as the real power behind the throne.

And little Lord Robert's health is poor, but his biggest danger is from Middlefinger.

In addition, Davos, Brienne, Pod, Hyle, Loras, Brynden, Edmure, Cersei, and Margaery all seem to be in fairly precarious situations.

I think those are the easy picks.

Going a bit more out on a limb, I think Myrcella is as good as dead. Doran and all of Dorne long for revenge for Elia, Rhaenys, Aegon, and Oberyn. And once Doran gets his alliance with Dany, Myrcella's life is worth nothing. But this may not happen until TWOW.

Now the character that I think will die in ADWD is Aeron Greyjoy. In the scramble for power after Balon's death, Aeron took charge. He held great influence and he used it to summon the Kingsmoot. In this he put the Drowned God's approval upon the chosen one, i.e. his personal endorsement of the King. But Aeron in his righteous zeal, overlooked opportunities to seal a victory for Victarion. Aeron disavowed Asha whose support would most likely have given victory to Victarion. With Asha's backing, Victarion could have moved against Euron before the Kingsmoot and had Euron killed. But Aeron snubbed Euron, snubbed Asha, and did not support Victarion strongly enough. Euron is currently buying allies, Victarion has gone east, and Asha has gone North. Aeron's few unarmed followers are easy prey for Euron if Aeron causes trouble. I imagine Aeron to be the Thomas Becket or Thomas More to Euron's Henry II or Henry VIII.

Edit: Illifer, thanks for the thread. I find Dead Pools regarding real people disgusting... but this is fun.
 
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We've been back and forth about Theon before. I have no intellectual leg to stand on here, everything you say totally makes sense, I just can't shake the feeling that he's hit bottom now, and is going to surprise us. We can revisit this in a week when we'll know a great deal more (*squee*). I'll buy you a drink if you're right (if you ever make it out to NYC).

I actually almost put Damp Hair on my list, I feel like we have too many Greyjoy PoVs, they're primed for some culling and he seems the most dispensable.

I'll be frustrated if Brienne did in fact die on the end of UnCat's rope, her whole PoV was a bit of a slog and I dearly hope that there will be some pay off down the line.

I'm not quite done with my AFfC reread, but I thought Rosby was already dead by the end of it. If he's still hanging on, good call.

No Sansa in this one right? So while the young lord of the Vale is in the certainly in mortal danger, I doubt he'll see it until book 6.

Somehow I doubt Mel makes it out of the North alive...
 
As far as PoV characters biting it... it might just be coincidence, but outside prologues and epilogues no PoV character has died in their own PoV (and stayed dead), I have a strong suspicion that we can expect more deaths wherever too many PoVs start to cluster. Which makes sense from a practical point of view, GRRM only needs so many eyes on any given location at a specific time, extra characters there become redundant at some point.
 
ITP, I dunno what's gonna happen either. These are just what I think I'd write if it was my story.

Rosby's dead? I can't remember. I do think all the Stokeworths, except for Lollys, are dead.

NYC? If I'm right? Neither are likely... but I'll lift a beer long distance.
 
Jojen will not die, oh thats cruel, he's the last tie to so many things! If he does its the final book. Granted he makes morrisey look not emo, but hes a bit of a keystone in warging and the old gods.
 
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I can just see the scene. Surrounded by wights or something Meera shouts at him to run and he calmly looks at her and says "this is the day I die"
 
Interesting thread.

I think Stannis, Percelle, Kevan and Lancel Lannister, Lord Walder Frey (through old age though) and Melisandre will all bid us farewell in ADwD.
 
All of the Freys, wheresoever situate. Actually, that's just a personal wish, but it is possible that everyone will just let their disgust of the Freys rule, and burn the whole lot of 'em out. A Jihad against the Freys!

I am concerned for Jaime Lannister. Despite being a great character, my love for him increased markedly when he ignored Cersei's request to defend her in the forthcoming trial by combat. I loved Eddard Stark and Robb Stark too, especially Eddard, and look what happened to them.

Brienne is in dire straits. 'nuff said.
 
Actually i don't hate all the freys, just a bunch of them.
 
Here's a thread similar to this one:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/528419-which-major-character-dies-next.html

I'm sure TK will be able to provide others.

Littlefinger may not make it out of ADWD! I have a feeling his plans will backfire at the hands of Sansa. She will obtain enough knowledge from him and maybe even be falsely legitimized as his real daughter only to take his and all of her original birthrights. The only thing is, i really can't stand Sansa and would hope that she succombs shortly after. SHE KILLED HER FATHER!!! If GRRM makes me start liking her as he did with Jaimie so be it, but it will take alot more than feeling sorry for her current predicament.
 
Alright, here you go:

A Dance With Dragons: Speculation?

Which "Major" character dies next?


In the review posted by Wert, it says "major characters" die.

With the exception of Maester Cressen in the prologue to ACOK and Catelyn's last POV in ASOS, we have not seen any other POV where the POV character him or herself dies. All of the deaths have been told from another a POV.

I believe we will likely see a POV character die in their own POV.

In my mind, the likely candidates are:
Cersei
Davos
Melissandre
BFS
Theon
Jaime
Victarion

Littlefinger and Sansa are not in ADWD unless some POV character travels to the Vale!
 
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I can just see the scene. Surrounded by wights or something Meera shouts at him to run and he calmly looks at her and says "this is the day I die"

This is just how I picture Jojen's death! Yet I don't see it happening in ADWD.

I am pretty sure Rosby had coughed his last before AFFC ended.

I would bet Brienne doesn't die, at least not at the end of that rope, but will we find out in ADWD?, probably not.

Neither Jon nor Dany will come to an end yet, too soon.

Okay done with the will nots!:rolleyes:

I think we may lose Damphair and/or Asha.

I think Theon will do whatever he is supposed to do then that will be the end of him. I can hope anyway!:)

This totally off subject but: I was reading something (can't remember where now!) that said it had been 6 years since AFFC, which we all know! Then it was pointed out that the last POV"s from Jon, Dany, Davos and so many of the other favorites where in ASoS, which was 11 years ago!! Didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To me it proves the power of a great story! We here at Chrons discuss and debate these people and their lives as if they lived next door and we just spoke to them this morning!

Awesome!!:D
 
This totally off subject but: I was reading something (can't remember where now!) that said it had been 6 years since AFFC, which we all know! Then it was pointed out that the last POV"s from Jon, Dany, Davos and so many of the other favorites where in ASoS, which was 11 years ago!! Didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To me it proves the power of a great story! We here at Chrons discuss and debate these people and their lives as if they lived next door and we just spoke to them this morning!

I think Wert's review made a point of that.

I think two houses are going to suffer major reductions in populace; The Freys and The Greyjoys.

I see Asha living though, and Theon I really couldn't care one way or the other.

I'd bet one of the queens is going to die, but have no idea which one.

And I have a faint notion that this book may be the last we see of Ser Piggy :(
 
To me it proves the power of a great story! We here at Chrons discuss and debate these people and their lives as if they lived next door and we just spoke to them this morning!

Awesome!!:D

Couldn't agree more Needle :) There's always something to talk about, as folks drop in and out. (On a side side, I just noticed that I joined the Chron exactly one year ago today, so Happy Anniversary me!)

I think Theon is toast. I'm convinced he's the "heart breaking" storyline that got mentioned. Which is kinda sucky, cos I don't like Theon and don't see myself being saddened by his demise, so I hope I'm wrong but my money's on him.

It better NOT be Jaime, Mr. Martin, or there'll be trouble ahead! :mad::mad::p
 
And I have a faint notion that this book may be the last we see of Ser Piggy :(

How dare you say that about "The Slayer"! Although, it will be a long way back to the Wall once he finds the Riddle or becomes the riddle. I wouldnt mind him killing his father along the way back, but it seems he still wants to make his father proud for some strange reason, which will never happen. Randall Tarley seems to be just as stern and unforgiving as Stannis.
 
I don't think there's a Samwell PoV in ADwD (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), and I don't know who else would be headed to old town, so I imagine Ser Piggy will survive at least one more volume.
 
I'd bet that Sam survives the series.

I wonder if the Elder Brother from the Quiet Isle will live very long.
SPOILER: Theory.... Highlight to read!

He is the one who has tried to give peace to Sandor... If he were to be slain by Lannisters, that might galvanize our scarred friend back into action.
 
I highlighted Boaz's spoiler theory....and not only did it ruin Dance for me, it retroactively ruined Feast.

And a selected 242 pages of Clash, but oddly enough, not Storm.

:)

The question is now, who is a major character?

None of the Greyjoys fit the bill for me, neither do the Martels. Any of them, they just haven't been in the telling of the tale long enough for me to care one whit either way.

Major players, sure.

But characters?

I don't know Quentyn from my elbow, and Balon's sons are a quick offering in one book.

My dead pool vote is for Mel.

I hate to say it, because I love her character, but I think Stannis may be ordained by prophecy of the God of Light and he will kill her.

And, again, The Freys.

Friggin' Freys.
 

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