Walder Frey prediction (spoilers)

[JagLover]

I think she'll go after her own list, and if she learns of what Walder Frey did to her family, possibly him as well, but that's it. The Boltons belong to Jon.

In one of her POVs she already thinks of adding the Freys of the crossing to her list but doesn't as she doesn't know their names.

 

[The Imp]

Fair enough. Maybe she is close to completing her training. The only thing is that the kindly man still wants her to forget Arya Stark. He can still tell she's lying when she answers that she's "no one". My interpretation has always been that she has to completely forget her past self, her list, her sword, everything if she wants to become a Faceless Man. I admit that it could also be interpreted that he simply wants her to control her emotions so well that he can't tell she's still Arya Stark deep down. I.e. to truly be "no one" to everyone else in the world.

Here's the thing - and perhaps this belongs in another thread - I just don't think she's going to complete her training and become an assassin. In fact, you're partially the reason why I don't believe she'll become a Faceless Man. In your Faceless Men thread you posed a few challenging questions (the ones just after point 3). I believe those questions will be answered. And, of course, I like to keep things simple and look at it from a practical (technical?) standpoint and simply note that the best way to answer these questions would be to be on the inside of their organization. We need a POV for that and we have one and that's Arya. So that's it: I believe her role will be expose that particular mystery. It doesn't sound too important but it's actually grounded in the deepest machinations of the entire world which makes it huge and gives Arya a huge role to play that doesn't necessarily involve murdering a few annoying and relatively insignificant players (relative to, you know, manipulating who sits the Iron Throne as well as who controls everything in the entire world).

I think we're much more in agreement than not. I don't think that Arya will ever stop being Arya of House Stark, and in fact, her destiny will be in part to ultimately reunite with Nymeria. She may learn much more about the House of Black and White, become a "master' Faceless Man,(if there is such a thing), or perhaps stay until she can't go any further and then leave for Westeros. Unless Nymeria is booking passage on a ship and coming to her, she's going back to the Seven Kingdoms. Also, whether or not she completes her training is almost meaningless at this point. She's probably already learned enough to give the gift to anyone she chooses to. I think the question will be whether or not she is acting on her own or under the direction of the Kindly Man et al.

I still think that Arya isn't at the House of Black and WHite by accident, and that her ending up there has been part of a much larger plan. I think that Jaqan was in King's Landing for at least one reason, and one of those reasons was either to ensure the safe passage of Arya North and also perhaps to be part of the Ned "conspiracy', which i've decided i'm not letting go of I do know that Faceless Men don't just wander around aimlessly. Everything that Arya has done in braavos has been part of her training, even though it might have seemed very ordinary to anyone else. Jaqan was in Kl for a reason, and i beleive part of that reason was Arya.

 

[garion77]

The whole thing with Arya training is she will never be done training... You learn to be a FM by doing... I think they learn as they carry out missions... Being a FM is always training... You are never done.

About Walder Frey, I can't see Stannis letting him live if he wins the north. When Stannis found out about the Red Wedding, even though he felt Rob was a traitor, I think he mentioned something about seeking justice for breaking guest protection...

But I don't see Stannis winning the north. Rickon will be lord of winterfell...

 

[viZion]

The whole thing with Arya training is she will never be done training... You learn to be a FM by doing... I think they learn as they carry out missions... Being a FM is always training... You are never done.

Where are you getting this from? Like, where in any of the books is this said? You're kind of putting them on an undeserved pedestal with these kinds of statements.

The whole thing with being a knight is that you're never done training. You learn to be a knight by doing. I think they learn as they fight in battles. Being a knight is always training. You are never done. See how that works?

 

[The Imp]

The whole thing with Arya training is she will never be done training... You learn to be a FM by doing... I think they learn as they carry out missions... Being a FM is always training... You are never done.

I've always liked the "Eastern" notion that it takes a lifetime to really master a craft. I'd agree that a FM that gets rid of his/her novice robe and become a full fledged FM probably will still learn nuances and small things about being a great assassin, but there's nothing really to support what you say.

 

[garion77]

Where are you getting this from? Like, where in any of the books is this said? You're kind of putting them on an undeserved pedestal with these kinds of statements.

The whole thing with being a knight is that you're never done training. You learn to be a knight by doing. I think they learn as they fight in battles. Being a knight is always training. You are never done. See how that works?

Most of our "predictions" aren't in the books. We all take a few things GRRM say and then interpret what we think he mean... Being a FM is different than being a Knight... Knights don't need to give up their identity to be a Knight. FM don't fight for glory and praise... Their deeds go undetected... And it's no way Arya is going to be fully trained by books end... learning as she go is the only way I see Arya coming back and playing a important role...

 

[C Of K]

Kung Fu was a cool show. If I'm remembering correctly, Kwai Chang Caine once told someone that there are many different kung fu disciplines, and it takes a life time to master one of them.

The other person promptly asked Caine which one he had mastered.

"All of them," Caine said.

Not all that important to this thread, but the posts above reminded me of that so much.

I think the correlation drawn between becoming a knight and becoming a faceless man is that you have to train for both, and when your training is done, you are either one or the other. Constantly learning as we progress is something that everyone does, no matter what our profession is.

Right now, Arya is not a Faceless Man. So there is a distinct difference between her and Jaqen H'gar. If, and when, she completes her training, she will then be a Faceless Man, and she will continue to learn, just as any knight does. Only the dead cease to learn. Of course, in the world that GRRM created, even that is not certain.

 

[viZion]

Most of our "predictions" aren't in the books. We all take a few things GRRM say and then interpret what we think he mean... Being a FM is different than being a Knight... Knights don't need to give up their identity to be a Knight. FM don't fight for glory and praise... Their deeds go undetected... And it's no way Arya is going to be fully trained by books end... learning as she go is the only way I see Arya coming back and playing a important role...

I think you're missing my point. You didn't "predict" anything. You just stated that a Faceless Man's training never ends. Forget anything I ever said about knights. Replace the word "knight" with the word "seamstress". Or "blacksmith". Or "Hand of the King". It works for just about any job and not necessarily for whatever faction of warriors you consider to be the most awesome.

Also, you're assuming that Arya needs to be a Faceless Man to play an important role. In my theory above I gave her an important role without her having to complete her training. Imp pointed out that she already knows enough to be dangerous as it is whether or not she ever completes her training. I don't think she will complete her training because she can't let go of or hide her true Self. But that won't matter because she'll still play a very large role in this series and I believe it will have nothing to do with murdering the few annoying people on her list.

Let's put it another way, everyone. Who is the most important person on Arya's list? Cersei, right? Is Cersei really a threat? She's an idiot and makes mistake after mistake. You know why Varys keeps murdering Hands but leaves Cersei alone? Because Cersei is useless and basically harmless. It would be a waste of Arya's time to murder her. It would be a waste of GRRM's time to write it. I could be wrong of course but I have higher hopes for Arya.

Maybe someone should rename this thread .

 

[The Imp]

I think you're missing my point. You didn't "predict" anything. You just stated that a Faceless Man's training never ends. Forget anything I ever said about knights. Replace the word "knight" with the word "seamstress". Or "blacksmith". Or "Hand of the King". It works for just about any job and not necessarily for whatever faction of warriors you consider to be the most awesome.

Also, you're assuming that Arya needs to be a Faceless Man to play an important role. In my theory above I gave her an important role without her having to complete her training. Imp pointed out that she already knows enough to be dangerous as it is whether or not she ever completes her training. I don't think she will complete her training because she can't let go of or hide her true Self. But that won't matter because she'll still play a very large role in this series and I believe it will have nothing to do with murdering the few annoying people on her list.

Let's put it another way, everyone. Who is the most important person on Arya's list? Cersei, right? Is Cersei really a threat? She's an idiot and makes mistake after mistake. You know why Varys keeps murdering Hands but leaves Cersei alone? Because Cersei is useless and basically harmless. It would be a waste of Arya's time to murder her. It would be a waste of GRRM's time to write it. I could be wrong of course but I have higher hopes for Arya.

Maybe someone should rename this thread .

I started a new thread to talk about FM stuff in

 

[Samwell]

He'll hear of all his kin killed. An angry Walder will march from his castle and meet UnCat on the road who will stuff him with salt and hang him.

 

[Needle]

He'll hear of all his kin killed. An angry Walder will march from his castle and meet UnCat on the road who will stuff him with salt and hang him.

WELCOME SAMWELL!

I like it!!

 

[Samwell]

Thanks for the welcome.

It's a bit soft on old Frey but i guess it's the best solace for Cat.

 

[Tywin]

I don't see Walder "Marching" from his castle to war or vengeance or anything. Him leaving the twins for some reason or another and meeting unCat could be a possibility.

He doesn't ever seem to leave the Twins, maybe GRR Martin could write it up with some build-up to whatever special occasion gets him out of bed and out of the protection of his walls.

Alternately, unCat and her little army might storm the twins and take vengeance that way. Perhaps that's what Jaime Lannister and Brienne have been busy doing?

 

[The Imp]

I think GRRM will bring RL events to the story and bring down The Twins, possibly by terrorists (UN-Cat and her not so merry band)> If they could get thier hands on some Wildfire.......... Prehaps Arya will join with them to sneak into The Twins and "set off" a fire in each tower, allowing Walder to become a crispy critter.