(Spoilers) Jaime and Rickon

[garion77]

I really love how GRRM have developed Jaime Lannister. To me, he is more interesting than Tyrion was in ADWD... I didn't like the Tyrion chapters that much. His chapters was boring to me... Nothing interesting happened with him in ADWD... But Jaime's one chapter was much more interesting. And he really shined in AFFC... Jaime turned out to be the leader the Seven Kingdoms needed to put things back in order. He isn't running around hanging people and making enemies. He show respect even to those he defeat. He is the only true justice in the Seven Kingdoms.

I also believe Stannis will not run the north. I think Rickon Stark will sit in winterfell as the Lord of the North with Stannis as his regent until he become of age. And Stannis daughter will marry Rickon fulfilling Ned and Robert's wish about marrying the two houses... Rickon is a Stark and will look pass Stannis daughter looks and honor their marriage.

And I can't think of a better commander for Rickon to learn under than Stannis. Rickon will keep his Stark ways of justice but learn how to be a battlefield commander from one of the best which is Stannis.

 

[Syphon of Oor-Tael]

I also believe Stannis will not run the north. I think Rickon Stark will sit in winterfell as the Lord of the North with Stannis as his regent until he become of age. And Stannis daughter will marry Rickon fulfilling Ned and Robert's wish about marrying the two houses... Rickon is a Stark and will look pass Stannis daughter looks and honor their marriage.

And I can't think of a better commander for Rickon to learn under than Stannis. Rickon will keep his Stark ways of justice but learn how to be a battlefield commander from one of the best which is Stannis.

If they can somehow temper the wild spirit that Rickon will no doubt still have, and I do not doubt it has not gotten better with Osha as his ward AND being north of the Wall doesn't really help his chances. But otherwise, I do enjoy this story of yours. It would be nice if it came true.

 

[Ursa major]

...Rickon [...] being north of the Wall....

Although literally half-true (geographically speaking), I'm not sure that Rickon's current location counts as being north of the Wall, not in the sense that this phrase usually indicates. Having said that, the place sounds more than strange, so I'm really looking forward to Davos's description of his search for Rickon there.

 

[garion77]

If they can somehow temper the wild spirit that Rickon will no doubt still have, and I do not doubt it has not gotten better with Osha as his ward AND being north of the Wall doesn't really help his chances. But otherwise, I do enjoy this story of yours. It would be nice if it came true.

Rickon do have his wild ways just like his uncle Brandon... Rickon will be a Brandon Stark kind of lord more than a Ned Stark kind of lord... They both was fair rulers but Brandon was more reckless. And I think it fits... Stannis will ease Rickon wild side like Ned did for Robert... That's what made Ned and Robert such good friends and leaders... They complimented each other.

Robert would have lost the war without Ned because he was too wild and reckless... Ned would have never rallied enemies to his cause like Robert could... Stannis was jealous of Roberts ability to get men who fought against him one day to die for him the next. Rickon will be that kind of leader but constraind by Stannis guidance...

I think Stannis finally get his son in a way through Rickon... Just like Jon Arryn got his son's through Robert and Ned...

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

I always thought Rickon was at Skagos...also I don't think Stannis will live to actually meet Rickon.

 

[garion77]

I always thought Rickon was at Skagos...also I don't think Stannis will live to actually meet Rickon.

Why do you think Stannis will not live to see Rickon? I can't see sending Davos after Rickon for nothing. I think Stannis will be Rickon regent and marry him to his daughter. That's the only match I can see Stannis making. Stannis is pretty much the last of the house. That's the only way I can see it still surviving... Robert had lots of bastards but no legitimate children...

 

[devilsgrin]

Why do you think Stannis will not live to see Rickon? I can't see sending Davos after Rickon for nothing. I think Stannis will be Rickon regent and marry him to his daughter. That's the only match I can see Stannis making. Stannis is pretty much the last of the house. That's the only way I can see it still surviving... Robert had lots of bastards but no legitimate children...

Stannis is utterly doomed. All the sorcery that Mel cooked up using his life essence to fuel it has certainly shortened his life expectancy considerably.
Also, there is NO WAY that Stannis would act as Regent to another Lord or King, when he regards ALL of Westeros as his by rights of inheritance. Throw in that he was as jealous of Ned Stark's friendship with Robert, as he was jealous of both Robert and Renly... its not going to happen. He offered Jon Winterfell because is was a sound tactical move, and Jon had proven his capability before Stannis' very eyes. And because the ******* of Winterfell is a well known face to the lords of the North.

Rickon - if he is more of a Brandon than an Eddard (and this looks likely) - would NEVER look past Shireen's face. You cannot expect a Brandon to be like a Ned and do his duty no matter what (those are Tully words anyway and Rickon will be even less a Tully than a Stark, after his time on Skagos) - especially when NOT raised by Ned. Brandon for all his wild ways would likely have only agreed to marry Catelyn in the first place because she was a mega-hottie (not in the Cercei/Lyanna stakes, but up there) and he could still fool around. Brandon sounds rather like a Robert Baratheon type. He lived large.

Also consider the reaction Shireen caused from (iirc) Val. Her disease is apparently NOT gone, just in hibernation. She's doomed to. Lets just hope Selyse goes down with the grey-scale too.

 

[garion77]

Stannis is utterly doomed. All the sorcery that Mel cooked up using his life essence to fuel it has certainly shortened his life expectancy considerably.
Also, there is NO WAY that Stannis would act as Regent to another Lord or King, when he regards ALL of Westeros as his by rights of inheritance. Throw in that he was as jealous of Ned Stark's friendship with Robert, as he was jealous of both Robert and Renly... its not going to happen. He offered Jon Winterfell because is was a sound tactical move, and Jon had proven his capability before Stannis' very eyes. And because the ******* of Winterfell is a well known face to the lords of the North.

Rickon - if he is more of a Brandon than an Eddard (and this looks likely) - would NEVER look past Shireen's face. You cannot expect a Brandon to be like a Ned and do his duty no matter what (those are Tully words anyway and Rickon will be even less a Tully than a Stark, after his time on Skagos) - especially when NOT raised by Ned. Brandon for all his wild ways would likely have only agreed to marry Catelyn in the first place because she was a mega-hottie (not in the Cercei/Lyanna stakes, but up there) and he could still fool around. Brandon sounds rather like a Robert Baratheon type. He lived large.

Also consider the reaction Shireen caused from (iirc) Val. Her disease is apparently NOT gone, just in hibernation. She's doomed to. Lets just hope Selyse goes down with the grey-scale too.

What you say make a lot of sense... But I can't see house Baratheon just dying out... Is there anymore true born Baratheons other than Stannis and Shireen? I know Tomen and Mrycella are Baratheons in name only... And if the prophersey is correct they won't survive till the end either...

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

I've kinda always thought that, if he survived, Gendry would somehow be legitimized to a Baratheon..Also there is Edric Storm, but my money is on Gendry keeping the House alive, maybe with Arya.

 

[Daisy-Boo]

I've kinda always thought that, if he survived, Gendry would somehow be legitimized to a Baratheon..Also there is Edric Storm, but my money is on Gendry keeping the House alive, maybe with Arya.

I don't think we've seen the last of Gendry. Of all Robert's children, he seems most likely to make an impact in a meaningful way. Edric reminds me of Tommen - sweet, innocent and pliable.

 

[TK-421]

But Rickon is but 4 or 5 by the time we reach ADWD.

Stannis is toast.

Shireen on the other hand, I think has yet a bigger part to play.

 

[Koopa]

Shireen and Jon Connington: Bringers of pestilence and destruction.
What better time than add widespread sickness in already turbulent midst.
How many books will that take. Or the ultimate pot device to rid us of some players.

 

[The Imp]

Shireen and Jon Connington: Bringers of pestilence and destruction.
What better time than add widespread sickness in already turbulent midst.
How many books will that take. Or the ultimate pot device to rid us of some players.

I don't think Shireen could infect anyone as she doesn't have Greyscale any more. Connington on the other hand..................

Westeros faces the propsect of invasion from two different directions, maybe even 3 if you count what the Ironmen are doing, plus the possibility of disease. There's also the ongoing civil war. The body count could get really high really quickly should GRRM use that as a way of killing off characters, although I don't think that any major ones will go that mundanely (except for Tyrion, who last we saw was still pricking his fingers and still carrying 7 poinson mushrooms).

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

Has anyone ever thought about what's going to happen when/if Davos finds Rickon?..Cuz, assuming he's still with Osha, I don't think she's going to just let Davos take him back to Winterfell or White Harbor. I'm sure he'll try to convince her it's for the good of Winterfell and Starks, but she's a wildling and all she cares about is getting away from the Others..BUT, I guess he could tell her of the waging war against The Others and they need Rickon (then maybe she'll agree)...Even so, Rickon is definitely a wildling Stark. I also think (or hope) that tWoW will cover years (and maybe pick us up to speed of what's been happening with Rickon) seeing as this Winter should last a lifetime. I also wanna see Jamie defending Rickon against The Others.

 

[juleska]

That's what made Ned and Robert such good friends and leaders... They complimented each other.

I will agree that's what made Ned and Robert such good friends, but I think they were both terrible leaders in their own way (Ned much less so than Robert, however). I think Robert's rule was a dismal failure, and Ned (though kind and fair) was far too "safe" to be a leader. Great leaders take risks and know when to leverage an advantage. Ned was always being played by people far better at the game than he would ever be or want to be.

I'll have to think on the rest of what you wrote. We have so little information on Rickon that I think just about anything is possible. Personally I've never thought of Rickon as wild. He was a normal 4 year old boy saddled with genuine and understandable grief and abandonment issues. I think by the time we meet him again he's more likely to be bitter and determined, but disciplined....not wild.

 

[Ursa major]

Perhaps he wasn't wild on his own. Perhaps there's a bit of Ned in him, deposited as Payne's sword severed Ned's neck.


The children didn't inherit their warging ability from Cat, you know. And while Ned may have been unaware of his talent, just as Arya was until the cat episode in Braavos, it doesn't mean that he couldn't use it in extremis (in both meanings of that phrase). And how else did Rickon, and Bran, first know of Ned's death, i.e. before anyone told them?

 

[The Imp]

Perhaps he wasn't wild on his own. Perhaps there's a bit of Ned in him, deposited as Payne's sword severed Ned's neck.


The children didn't inherit their warging ability from Cat, you know. And while Ned may have been unaware of his talent, just as Arya was until the cat episode in Braavos, it doesn't mean that he couldn't use it in extremis (in both meanings of that phrase). And how else did Rickon, and Bran, first know of Ned's death, i.e. before anyone told them?

Look at what you've done. I now have a new factor to add into my old "Ned is alive" crackpot theory

 

[Ursa major]

Glad to be of help.

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

The children didn't inherit their warging ability from Cat, you know. And while Ned may have been unaware of his talent, just as Arya was until the cat episode in Braavos, it doesn't mean that he couldn't use it in extremis (in both meanings of that phrase). And how else did Rickon, and Bran, first know of Ned's death, i.e. before anyone told them?

oh my god, I just realized Ned warged in Ser Pounce! with a final showdown with Aerys Blackcat.

 

[garion77]

Perhaps he wasn't wild on his own. Perhaps there's a bit of Ned in him, deposited as Payne's sword severed Ned's neck.


The children didn't inherit their warging ability from Cat, you know. And while Ned may have been unaware of his talent, just as Arya was until the cat episode in Braavos, it doesn't mean that he couldn't use it in extremis (in both meanings of that phrase). And how else did Rickon, and Bran, first know of Ned's death, i.e. before anyone told them?

I don't think Ned would ever take over his own son's body to save his life... And that's a long warg... KL to Winterfell... Not even the warg in ADWD could warg a human that far... He had to wait for the lady to come back to try to take her body... I don't know did he need to touch her or see her but he couldn't do it until she returned... And he was a way stronger warg than Ned would have been...