I don't believe Dragons can be warged...

[garion77]

Did everyone see the last episode of "Games of Thrones" season 2?

The Warlock specifically said that when the dragons were born, they brought back their magic. And the closer to the dragons they are, the stronger their magic become.

Unless the series got it all wrong, which GRRM have direct involvement, the argument about dragons bringing back magic has been answered.

Yes, the dragons brought magic back in the world like I said in the beginning...

 

[Ursa major]

I'm perfectly willing to believe that the warlock believes that the dragons brought back magic. What I don't understand is why you believe he, in particular, is the final arbiter on this issue.

Has he been identified as being all-knowing? Is his evident success - lasting almost a whole book (or, in the case of the TV, a whole season) - some sort of qualification? No, he hasn't and no, it isn't. He's just another minor character who thinks various things are true, but doesn't, in fact, know one way or the other. Just like all the other characters.

Of course, you can take his word for it - I understand he was a by-word for honesty in his city - but you can understand why others, myself included, will look elsewhere for the final word on the matter.

 

[garion77]

I'm perfectly willing to believe that the warlock believes that the dragons brought back magic. What I don't understand is why you believe he, in particular, is the final arbiter on this issue.

Has he been identified as being all-knowing? Is his evident success - lasting almost a whole book (or, in the case of the TV, a whole season) - some sort of qualification? No, he hasn't and no, it isn't. He's just another minor character who thinks various things are true, but doesn't, in fact, know one way or the other. Just like all the other characters.

Of course, you can take his word for it - I understand he was a by-word for honesty in his city - but you can understand why others, myself included, will look elsewhere for the final word on the matter.

That's where you are wrong... In a 1800 page book, yes, that statement wouldn't be such a big deal. But on a tv series where every word and second is important, it's huge...

I write tv series and working on one now (hopefully you all will be seeing it soon)... You only have so many pages to write a script. When a producer ask you to write them a script that about 95 pages at most (which is about a hour commercial free). On regular tv a hour series is max 65 pages. Every word you write must advance the story.

It's hard as hell converting a book to a movie. Authors have so many pages for smoking mirror and little hints and tricks. But screenwriters don't have time for all that. Especially if you trying to convert a 1800 page book to a 95 page script.

You only write the most important stuff and leave all the fluff out or the director and producer will have you head...

It always piss me off when I hear someone say the book is better than the picture... No ****... Try converting a 1800 page book to 13 episode of 95 pages... Not including the visuals, action, camera angles, and someone speaking the lines... All stuff authors don't worry about.

 

[Keebs411]

That's where you are wrong... In a 1800 page book, yes, that statement wouldn't be such a big deal. But on a tv series where every word and second is important, it's huge...

I write tv series and working on one now (hopefully you all will be seeing it soon)... You only have so many pages to write a script. When a producer ask you to write them a script that about 95 pages at most (which is about a hour commercial free). On regular tv a hour series is max 65 pages. Every word you write must advance the story.

It's hard as hell converting a book to a movie. Authors have so many pages for smoking mirror and little hints and tricks. But screenwriters don't have time for all that. Especially if you trying to convert a 1800 page book to a 95 page script.

You only write the most important stuff and leave all the fluff out or the director and producer will have you head...



It always piss me off when I hear someone say the book is better than the picture... No ****... Try converting a 1800 page book to 13 episode of 95 pages... Not including the visuals, action, camera angles, and someone speaking the lines... All stuff authors don't worry about.

I get what you are saying . It not easy to convert and some tv/ movie writers and directors do better jobs then other. However i still agree w ursa. And the reason why is you are right for a show they have to be more blunt and direct with a script because they do not have the time to hint around like they do in the book. However GRRM does not have full say and control on what they do with the show and script. So i can easily see somthing that could be a maybe ( or a maybe not they might never say it could be left for each reader to assume) when it comes the the magic question. Did it leave was there some left in small amounts or did dragons bring it back. The show does not dictate the book series or the author could say differently in regaurds to that matter.

I would like to use the show true blood as a perfect example. Great show. Love it. Even enjoyed the books. How ever this many seasons into the show it has taken a very diff direction with the story and plot lines. They added characters that didnt exsist, they have characters who were minor n killed off early in the book series instead alive and major story lines 5 seasons into the show. The book series has not been finished yet either, but since the show 1st aired the author of the sookie stack house novels did not change up the furture books after season one to accomidate the changes the shw made in the story lines. Both are still great but it just goes to show that the authorshave some say but in the end things change. True blood they made EXTREME changes compared to the AGOT series but my point is the one line the warlock says doeant sell me that the final say has been proven via the show.

I look forward to the next season but ill wait for the books to tell me how everything really goes down

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

I am in agreement with Keebs and Ursa.The warlock probably isn't the end all authority on dragons and Magic. we still don't know if Dragons brought magic back or magic brought dragons back.

Personally, I am of the opinion that if he was as smart as some are making him out to be, he wouldn't have died the way he did. If being closer to the dragons made him more powerful, why didnt he magic himself out of there when it was just his sleeve on fire? He clearly wasn't all that bright (except at the very end) He apparently couldn't even figure out that dragons breathe fire, and people get pissed off when they get chained up.

All he knew was that his magic got stronger around about the same time the dragons were born, something he wasn't even around for, nor would he have known when it had happened. He also thought, or knew, that his magic was stronger around the Dragons, which could have been chalked up to the fact that Dragons are magical creatures. Right or wrong, he is dead, and I will wait untill someone a little wiser, who doesn't immediately get burned to death (so NOT quentyn), tells us the whatfors and howsos of magic and dragons

 

[garion77]

I am throwing something else out there as well... The Others came back before the dragons were hatched, correct? Maybe the returns of the Others had something to do with it as well? And weren't the Children magic themselves? Could their return played a part as well?

But I still think it the dragons but can't figure what awakened the Others after all those years...

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Yeah the white walkers came back before the dragons. They are literally the first thing we see. so did the Direwolves, while not necessarily magical, they certainly hadn't been seen around in a long time.

The children of the forest never really left, they were just hiding, as was the 3 eyed crow.

I am betting we never actually find out what is going on and why magic is coming back. the best we can hope for are theories like the one the warlock had. It probably has to do with astronomy, something that is never touched on in the books, apart from the red commet. With their crazy seasons and "long night" that lasted a generation, maybe their planet has just rotated closer to some magical asteroid field.

 

[Mesanna]

Maybe The Others are back to counteract the effects of global warming.

 

[Tywin]

It probably has to do with astronomy, something that is never touched on in the books, apart from the red commet. With their crazy seasons and "long night" that lasted a generation, maybe their planet has just rotated closer to some magical asteroid field.

This makes the most sense to me.

 

[Eversummer]

Dany and her dragons would make it to Westeros thru the east and the west, find herself a true conqueror and that The Great War against the Others would ensue. Bran and Jon to warg into Viserion and Rhaegal---this would make the story easier.

No, I don't like the idea that dragons can be warged.

Edit: Sorry, I still couldn't picture this world as "round" or that if Asshai or the Shadow lands were somewhere in the east of Westeros. Enlighten me please... Gawd, I really need to reread the series again.

 

[C Of K]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't currently have the book handy. But didn't Pyat Pree attempt to kill Dany with a knife in the book? In the book, I don't remember him performing magic spells all the time, like he did in the show.

I write tv series and working on one now (hopefully you all will be seeing it soon)... You only have so many pages to write a script. When a producer ask you to write them a script that about 95 pages at most (which is about a hour commercial free). On regular tv a hour series is max 65 pages. Every word you write must advance the story.

Can't wait to see it! But not every word advances the plot in every tv show. Take, for instance, Mirri Maz Duur's declaration that Dany would not hear her scream as she was being burned alive. Mirri Maz Duur said it, and Mirri Maz Duur was wrong. That dialogue didn't advance the plot really, but it was great dialogue, so they implemented it into the tv show.