Jaime's sword hand

[juleska]

By the rules of Trial by Combat that GRRM has established, they would not fight each other. One champion represents the accused, the other represents the judge. Bronn represented Tyrion at the Eyrie, while one of Lysa's knights represented The King's Justice by way of the Warden of the East, little Lord Robert. In Tyrion's second trial in King's Landing, the Red Viper represented the accused, while the Mountain represented the King's Justice via the Queen Regent. What we have here are two different sets of accusations, which will call for two trials.

Now, that said, GRRM hasn't made it clear that they will *not* be fighting each other, and I can see how he's setting that up to be the case. But by the rules he has established, one champion should represent the accused and the other should represent the justice of the Faith.

 

[garion77]

By the rules of Trial by Combat that GRRM has established, they would not fight each other. One champion represents the accused, the other represents the judge. Bronn represented Tyrion at the Eyrie, while one of Lysa's knights represented The King's Justice by way of the Warden of the East, little Lord Robert. In Tyrion's second trial in King's Landing, the Red Viper represented the accused, while the Mountain represented the King's Justice via the Queen Regent. What we have here are two different sets of accusations, which will call for two trials.

Now, that said, GRRM hasn't made it clear that they will *not* be fighting each other, and I can see how he's setting that up to be the case. But by the rules he has established, one champion should represent the accused and the other should represent the justice of the Faith.

That sounds correct. I thought since Cersei made the accusations against Margaery, she need her champion to prove her accusations legitimate. And Margaery champion would prove them false.

But I see where you coming from since the faith is accusing Cersei of crimes and not Margaery... It was clear if Margaery accusing Cersei of anything but we know the faith is...

I think GRRM is setting us up for a Jaime/UnGregor showdown... Other than the Hound or Briene, he is the only one who stands a chance. I don't see Bronn coming back to fight.

As I was typing, I remember something... Jaime gave Briene his Valyrian Sword? And don't Valyrian steel kill the undead? So wouldn't it take someone with a Valyrian sword to kill unGregor?

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Juleska certainly makes a Valid point and that could very well be the way it goes down. If that is the case, then here is my theory on how it will go down.

Cersei picked Robert Strong, and the Faith will pick The hound, or whatever name he is going by now. The hound will win and Cersei will be sentanced. The she will either die, at the end of the next book, Or varys will help her escape to Casterly Rock so she can keep up with her plotting and scheming, like Vary wants her to do. (he said as much when he killed Kevan)

And for Margearies trial, she will pick Jaime, and the faith will pick Lancel, and Jaime will have to kill his cousin, which he will do when he learns that Lancel was sleeping with Cersei. Margery will be proven innocent and will become Queen, but will still be going to war against Cersei.

We shall see.

 

[#Requin]

The Hound his fighting days are over. He's become a brother in a monastery.
Jaime already knows his cousin slept with Cersei and has forgiven him in Darry.
And Jaime is still stuck in the riverlands. Where he will presumably meet the new 'hound'. I think lemoncloak is currently using the hound's helmet.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

The Hound his fighting days are over. He's become a brother in a monastery.
Jaime already knows his cousin slept with Cersei and has forgiven him in Darry.
And Jaime is still stuck in the riverlands. Where he will presumably meet the new 'hound'. I think lemoncloak is currently using the hound's helmet.

Which would make him an ideal candidate of the Faith to fight in the trial of Cersei.

I had forgotten about Jaime finding out about Lancel and already forgiving him. It is still possible that Jaime becomes Marge's champion, be it against Lancel or not, and if Jaime wins, he would still be taking everything away from cersei, which would fit the prophecy.

 

[juleska]

Not sure why Marge would pick Jaime....regardless of the changes we've witnessed of his character she only knows him as that despicable Kingslayer who had an incestuous relationship with that b**** he calls a sister (who was the one that put Marge in this mess, lest we forget) and produced that monster Joffrey to whom she was (mercifully) briefly wed.

I'm sticking with my theory that she'll choose her brother, who will be all too eager to defend her honor against Lannister Lies.

 

[#Requin]

Which would make him an ideal candidate of the Faith to fight in the trial of Cersei.

I had forgotten about Jaime finding out about Lancel and already forgiving him. It is still possible that Jaime becomes Marge's champion, be it against Lancel or not, and if Jaime wins, he would still be taking everything away from cersei, which would fit the prophecy.

Being in a monastery does not equal fighting for the faith.
Unless the monsastery gets swallowed up by the war, which is unlikely giving the description of it and it's location. Sandor's fighting days are over.

Am I really the only one on this board that feels that GRRM went ou of his way to point this out? Also it's pretty clear to me that Jaime will remain in the riverlands. Neither are viable candidates.

Loras is however. Given that his wouding IS made suspect. Hell, it is not even clear if Dragonstone has really fallen.

 

[garion77]

Not sure why Marge would pick Jaime....regardless of the changes we've witnessed of his character she only knows him as that despicable Kingslayer who had an incestuous relationship with that b**** he calls a sister (who was the one that put Marge in this mess, lest we forget) and produced that monster Joffrey to whom she was (mercifully) briefly wed.

I'm sticking with my theory that she'll choose her brother, who will be all too eager to defend her honor against Lannister Lies.

Why wouldn't Margarey pick Jaime? It's not as if he can throw the fight... He win or he die... He has more to lose than her... And Loras would have returned by now if he wasn't wounded.

If Jaime don't get his sword hand back I can see Margarey picking Brienne as her champion. She know how good Brienne is from her kicking Loras butt to become a rainbow knight. So Margarey knows Brienne's worth.

I see Jaime making Brienne a kingsguard. He just need to give Tomon a new kitten and he will sign anything...LOL And Jaime is the only one who can overide Cersei.

I can see Vary trying to kill Jaime by putting him against Strong. Vary know Jaime represent order... He will need to kill Jaime if he want to keep disorder...

I see a Jaime vs unGregor showdown on the horizon with Vary somehow setting it up...

But Jaime will win and throw Vary's plans in disarray...

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Being in a monastery does not equal fighting for the faith.
Unless the monsastery gets swallowed up by the war, which is unlikely giving the description of it and it's location. Sandor's fighting days are over.

Am I really the only one on this board that feels that GRRM went ou of his way to point this out? Also it's pretty clear to me that Jaime will remain in the riverlands. Neither are viable candidates.

Loras is however. Given that his wouding IS made suspect. Hell, it is not even clear if Dragonstone has really fallen.

No but it puts you in an advantaguos position if someone comes calling at any and all holy places looking for a fighter to represent the faith against a 7 foot tall monstrosity.

You could very well be right. This is probably just wishful thinking but I can dream can't I?

And Marge might pick Jaime simply out of spite. Jaime would be honour bound to fight (an odd sentance I know, but after losing his hand, jaime got some honour) and if he fought he would want to win. But for Marge, she gets to either use jaime to win for her, or jaime will die, which would almost make her losing the trial worth it for her if she truly hates Jaime. No matter the chamion, there is a chance that she looses, at least if she picks jaime, she still wins a little.

We also don't know if there is a time set for these trials (do we?) the faith (GRRM) may very well wait for Marge's champion to be ready, and draw the trial out untill the last quarter of the book, to build suspense, and give schemers a chance to interfere.

 

[garion77]

I agree with a lot of what you said. I think it could be possible for the Hound and unGregor to fight now since the Hound is part of the faith. I am sure the brother who allowed the Hound to join know his reputation as a fierce fighter. Lancer wouldn't stand a chance against unGregor.

It's only three people who could take unGregor... Jaime with sword hand, Brienne, and the Hound. Unless he introduce a new character, that's it...

Unless Sir Arthur Dayne rises from his grave...LO

 

[#Requin]

I'm thinking the dude is a walking corpse. Therefore unkillable unless you chop him into tiny bits, or reduce him to dust by fire. I don't see anyone killing Ungregor in a stand-up fight. He's dragonfood

 

[Keldaris]

I can see Vary trying to kill Jaime by putting him against Strong. Vary know Jaime represent order... He will need to kill Jaime if he want to keep disorder...

Varys has no reason to want Jaime dead, in fact it would be in varys interest for Jaime to remain alive.
As of late Jaime seems to have a talent for pissing of Cersei...and she tends to make stupid decisions when she's angry which is what varys is counting on.

Varys doesn't want disorder, he just wants to buy some time for dany and aegon. I feel Varys actions are for the greater good(sacrifice thousands to save millions) Jaime will be a useful man to have around after the dust settles.

Dany/Aegon/.....Jon(still banking on R+L=J) will need still need a kingsgaurd, Jaime is the best choice to lead that kingsgaurd....if it's Dany on the thorne.Jaime has been **** on day after day for killing aerys(even by ned who was actively trying to dethrone him) Dany will at some point have to come to terms with the atrocities her father commited, I think she'll accept jaimes actions as necessity and allow him to continue serving the iron throne. If it's aegon well then no clue as to how he'ld handle jaime. Jon would want to kill him as vengance for Bran....But I don't belive the stark in him would let him do it. jaime isn't an evil man jon would let him live.

As to Jaimes sword hand....it's gone for good. He'll become a passable fighter with his left hand, But his future lies more in tactics,strategy and command.