Anything like Altered Carbon's sleeves?

[HareBrain]

FBH, I don't dispute any of that. But I can't see that you've tackled the point of my previous post. Does the "I" (the original) continue to experience anything after he is killed in the room, regardless of whether an identical or near-identical mind is in operation elsewhere?

Yes, the sense of me-ness or awareness might well be just a function of the mind, but it ends when that mind ends, in the death of the "I". Even if the sense of me-ness or awareness that arises from the mind of the "you" is an exact copy, identical in all respects, it is not the same one. They are separate streams of consciousness, for want of a better term. You seem to think it completely unimportant which stream continues as long as it is based in an identical mind to the original -- and to the world at large, and to the "you", this is correct -- but to the "I", the original, it's curtains.

Of course, you could then argue, how do I know that this isn't what happens each time I wake up anyway? The old stream dies forever each time I go to sleep, and a new one is booted up, complete with memories and the *perception* of continuity, on waking? Perhaps even within one body and a mind that is never copied, the perception of being the same person all the time is an illusion? How would we know? Would it matter? Is it time for bed yet?

 

[Ursa major]

Hey guys! I'm about to squeeze another angel on that pin!


1. I think the only clear distinction is where someone's mind is running in their brain and a copy is made that is hosted in a stack (or whatever the equivalent is in another story or a future reality). The Original is the one in the brain and the Copy's the one running in the stack. But as time goes by, the Copy is no longer a copy, but changes with experience to become it's own original.

So: Original = Original; Copy := different original.
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2. In stories, such as The Stone Canal, to choose a different novel, sometimes a copy is kept in a pristine condition (i.e. it isn't "run") in case the original host dies or is killed (murder becoming a theft of time); the original host is restarted with the (pristine, though out-of-date) copy, in the way a restore point should work.

So: Original := (pristine) copy
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3. Where both the "original" and copy are running in a stack, after a while, they are both originals (the Original is the Original and the copy is another original, but of different individuals who just happen to share a lot of their early memories. (This obviously has a lot of legal issues associated with it, but that doesn't affect the minds, which have diverged.)

So: Original = Original; Copy := different original.
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[gully_foyle]

Sorry for ignoring the theosophical argumentations going on, but Version 43 by Philip Palmer uses the backed up consciousness device to an extreme degree (hence the title).

 

[io_anonimus]

OK, I'd be interested to see what you make of this:

Let’s say my mind is copied while I'm alive, and loaded into you while I'm in the room. There are now two people "running" my mind, yes? Now you leave the room. Where do I perceive myself to be, in the room or outside? In the room, of course – my awareness/perception does not transfer to your body or mind. Now let’s say I'm killed in the room. Does my awareness transfer to you then? Nope, it dies. I have no more thought, no sensory input, no experience -- nothing. You do, and as far as you are concerned, you are me; but from my perspective, my "stream of consciousness" is over for good.

I would say that both you and your copy share the same awareness till the moment the copy is done. After that they will evolve separately. Each new experience is adding a new bit of awareness missing in the "other". So the real split it is not when teh copy is done, but the moment after, whe you see each other in different places in the room. When you are killed only the "delta" is making the difference in perspective.