POV: Third Person Limited vs Omniscient

Okay, so my thinking on omniscient has changed. :)

Last year I read Conn Iggulden's Conqueror series about Genghis Khan, and that was written in omniscient. But what I really noticed about that POV choice is how it allowed Iggulden to juggle a large cast of characters while minimising their impact on the story.

For example, I always knew having a relatively large number of POV characters in my Gathering would be a turn-off for some readers. I accepted that, but justified it on the grounds that POV switches are remarkably common in much of fiction. Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code, for example, has around 11 POV characters. But - the difference is that he uses omniscient, too, so it doesn't feel too invasive.

Whereas what I did was give POV characters dedicated chapters in third person close. Which pretty much stamped them clearly on the story. The benefit was always that I could write deeper characters, the hazard was that I'd have to work much harder with those characters to make them work - and also risk alienating some readers.

What I realised after reading the Iggulden is that if I'd have written in omniscient, the effect of multiple characters would have become lessened. Readers may have been less easily overwhelmed. However, that would come with the cost of having more superficial characters. But the story could have still worked, just in a different if less intense and punchy way than I aimed for.

But it has made me respect omniscient now as a useful choice for handling a large cast of characters.

IMO omniscient should never be a first choice. I would definitely recommend people try writing in close third or even first person to get used to the depth of character required for these. Then if they write in omniscient they can really learn to understand where those weaknesses may be, and shore them up properly.

The irony is that I originally wrote Gathering as omniscient. However, I had no idea about POV use - I posted up a section for Critique here and someone pointed out that my lack of understanding of POV was a serious flaw in the story. That's what prompted me to start reading up on technicalities of writing, because I didn't even know what POV use was then.

Either way, though, I'm come to respect omniscient as a choice, where it is actually a choice. IMO a writer still needs to understand what choice they are making, why, and what the real hazards of distance are. Because when it's done well, it's done really well. However, I would also suggest that it may be one of the harder POV's to write well, precisely because of the cost of keeping a reader at a distance from the characters for any length of time.

Just thoughts. :)
 
I've always loved omniscient. Its a technique I'm a fan of and will definitely use in my own writing.

However, as you say it's probably the most difficult POV to do well. That's also one of its beauties too, it looks incredibly easy but is really rather hard to pull off.

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As I've started to get serious about my writing recently, I've been thinking about POVs, and even writing the same stories in first person and third person, to see which seems best.

What I think about third person limited vs omniscient at the moment, is that omniscient is easier to write the story, as if the POV was limited, my main character would always need to be at the important points of the story, whereas if I'm writing omniscient, that doesn't matter so much. I'm not saying that makes it easier to write a good omniscient POV story, however.

Until recently, my longest story was 1,800 words. But I've just written a 1,600 word opening scene for what (so far) is a 7,500 word story. It seems like it may be more difficult (in more cases than vice-versa) to write a longer story that isn't omniscient.
 
But what I really noticed about that POV choice is how it allowed Iggulden to juggle a large cast of characters while minimising their impact on the story.
I don't know if I'm reading what you've said here wrongly, but it sounds as if the characters may lack sufficient agency.

Is that really what you mean, or were you referring to something else?
 
Point of View can sometimes seem like a subjective thing; however we should try to look at it objectively.
Until recently, my longest story was 1,800 words. But I've just written a 1,600 word opening scene for what (so far) is a 7,500 word story. It seems like it may be more difficult (in more cases than vice-versa) to write a longer story that isn't omniscient.
There are a lot of opinions.
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What Every Writer Ought to Know About the Omniscient POV - Helping Writers Become Authors
Point of View—Part Three
What Is Point of View
Mine is that when you really know them they are equally difficult in their own ways.
 
I don't know if I'm reading what you've said here wrongly, but it sounds as if the characters may lack sufficient agency.

Is that really what you mean, or were you referring to something else?

Hmm, maybe I should have said "for the reader" instead of "in the story". A secondary character who has a short section at the end of a chapter may appear less invasive than if they follow with their own short chapter. However, omniscient inevitably does reduce the depth by which those secondary characters come into play - their thoughts might only get a couple of lines in a chapter, rather than the dedicated chapter required in third person close/limited.
 
I think I could agree that if the character and their narrative are passive rather than active and seem to lack agency that you might want to hide their part in the middle back or somewhere other than their own chapter. I'm certainly not averse to putting several POV into one chapter.::
Hmm, maybe I should have said "for the reader" instead of "in the story". A secondary character who has a short section at the end of a chapter may appear less invasive than if they follow with their own short chapter. However, omniscient inevitably does reduce the depth by which those secondary characters come into play - their thoughts might only get a couple of lines in a chapter, rather than the dedicated chapter required in third person close/limited.
::However wherever you put this POV I would still ask myself--what does this character add and why am I in this POV?
Then if I still felt justified I'd probably take another look at this article here.

The Writer’s Toolbox - Faculty Articles - Gotham Writers Workshop

And figure out a way to make their POV one that will shine in it's own chapter.

That said: In my first book I have chapters of main character interspersed with chapters that might cover anywhere from one to five other characters, because I needed other POV for things that MC doesn't know. I also had long chapters compared to some other writers. When I look back on them now and consider the rewrite I realize I could shorten chapters and give many of these other characters their own chapters and that would greatly assist in keeping the timeline fresh and consistent. One thing that I notice as I consider this is that they all have 'agency' and can easily survive without being huddled together. Looking back on my original manuscript I have many other characters and chapters that didn't make the cut and when I read these I realize that for the most part those lacked agency although their part of the story often contained interesting and sometimes somewhat macabre scenes that seemed great at the time.

Anyway, my personal thought is that if a character's scene can't stand well alone in it's own chapter then why is it even in the story?
 

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