Where best to find beta readers?

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I suppose we all want genuine feedback on our work before we push it off to agents and publishers, and while the Critiques section of the Chrons is marvellous for that, we can't gather opinions on our full, completed works there. We can't always rely on fully-honest feedback from our family and friends, either, so what I'd like to ask is this: How do you best go about finding beta readers who would be willing to read your entire WiP? Should you seek them at all?
 
For me, it was the chrons. One person approached me early on for a swop, which was very gracious of them as i had a road ahead. Then i put a thread up asking for some and another came from there. Then i got asked to join a writing group, coming from these and another swop. Plus i have had lots of others who i have swopped with, or begged opinions from. I am not proud about begging!

But you have to be prepared to do the same in return, and that can be a lot of reading!

And yes, it is imho neccessary. I couldnt imagine even attempting to finish a novel now without feedback that i trust.
 
Tec, I'd be happy to Beta for you or any other Chrons members.

I'm a very fast and voracious reader who can happily eat up something the size of Brandon Sanderson's entire Mistborn trilogy in a week, so this might be a great way to keep my Amazon bill down! :p

And on the plus side, as my WIP is in Portuguese, no one will have to read my scribbling in return... ;)
(unless anyone here speaks Portuguese?? <hopeful>)
 
Definitely seek them. You really have no idea how wrong you've got it until someone else's impartial eagle eye has torn it apart!

For me it's come naturally through being an active part of this forum, and you'll find once you get to (I think it's 300?) a certain number of posts the Writing Group will open up to you, where people can have a peek at longer sections of your work. Your betas will evolve form that - people who honestly like your work and want to help you improve it.
 
Hmm.

This makes me feel like the odd man out. I don't have beta readers, and can't really foresee having them. It's for reasons similar to those that meant I haven't submitted anything for critique yet.

My writing will be redrafted a lot.
There's no point showing an early draft because it and its place in the story will change drastically, in all probability (it's like giving someone milk and asking them how they like your cheese).
By the time the story's done the scope for change is minimised.


Am I the only one like this?

I can see why others like beta readers, and why they *might* have some value at the end (when the book's basically done but before it's quite finalised).

Hmm. That said, one or two reviewers of Bane of Souls suggested that, whilst it ends well, has a good approach to magic and the author is very handsome, the start's a bit slow. A beta reader might've caught that. On the other hand, they might've wanted me to change some good bits too.

Edited extra bit: incidentally, Tecdavid, are you after beta readers?
 
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Thaddeus, neither do I. However - and I'm being totally honest here - I have done all of my writing on my own until now, and only recently found Chrons, which has opened my eyes to quite a few things, especially the numbers of really enthusiastic members on here who are willing to help, are amusing, well read, intelligent and hold our particular genres in such high regard.

I have never entered a writing competition before this month, and have now. I would now certainly consider a Beta reader in the future, after all, there's nothing to say you have to change everything they don't like.

I suppose it's essential to get someone who reads/writes on similar subjects? Am I on the right track, or is a Beta Reader better if their expectations are neutral?
 
I think it is a case of trial and error. You are looking or someone who doesn't hate what you write, because it would be a slog for them and not beneficial for you if you are constantly being told things aren't good. But you need it to be honest enough that they will tell you if something doesn't work and explain why. I have had some people read who aren't sff writers/readers, but this has definitely been less useful, as they don't always know sff conventions. Similarly, within the genre there can be such a breadth and we need to try to match that.

I dont read epic fantasy much, and i am not a fan of it, so as a beta i am worse than useless. I would be looking pace, where they want depth of description. Similarly, hard sci fi, i would have no idea if the concepts are viable, nor do i read it and know the conventions.

In terms of when, i find it most useful at a nice, strong second draft stage - says she frantically editing wip to get it to that stage as i go - but a readthrough of he completed version, preferably by a new pair of eyes, to see if the changes have worked is really good.

Oh, and its worth considering a professional edit imho, when i sent wip1 for this, despite oodles of beta reads, the review by teresa edgerton threw up so much, not just for that book but for my subsequent work. For wht i got back from it, it was well worth the expenditure.
 
Springs - thanks for the sound advice, and certainly makes sense. Once my present WIP is at the stage of a full read-through, I'll ask around. The biggest issue I've got with it at present is that the first part of this Trilogy only lightly touched on Sci-Fi with some (I hope) good fantasy elements, but the 2nd part is going to expand the Sci-Fi elements substantially, as well as elaborating on the Fantasy side. I'm a little concerned about being able to carry the readers along with this transition... so a beta reader or three could be the answer to my problems, or at least point me in the right direction.;)
 
once you get to (I think it's 300?) a certain number of posts the Writing Group will open up to you

wtf? why am I wasting my time with thoughtfully crafted blog posts when I could be blasting out replies to threads and opening up hidden cookies?

Hm. Doesn't play well with others.

btw - to get back on topic - having some other person read my writing was great for me. It gave me confidence, and the feedback allowed me to see the characters and plot in a new light.

Right, sorry, need to move on and find some threads to reply to...
 
The good news, Glen, is that the target is only 300 posts (well, 300 counted posts); the qualification used to be 500.
 
Although the bad news for those planning a tidal wave of posts is that the unwritten rule of "'tis better to give than to receive" seeps through WG like water through a tea bag. If any white-haired assassin mages were to pop by whilst on a King's quest, I imagine they'd get pretty short shrift.

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Peter
 
I've read for more people than what've read mine (and why wouldn't I have, look at my excellent use of English!) ;)

I get confused between Alpha and Beta. I've got two people reading mine as I write it and then I bother them with questions such as 'did you get that?' 'did that work?' 'I'm not sure what should happen next, any ideas?' etc. And now I've gained two more people who are gonna read it too. And it's still not finished, but it's pretty damn close to the end.

They're all Chronners.
 
Beta is from software development. Its the version before the released version. No idea what an alpha version is. :)
 
My understanding is that an alpha is like the first two that Mouse describes, so there early in the process and helping to shape. A beta is a later reader who feeds in but doesn't change it materially. I might be wrong, though. :)
 
Ah, see, I was just about to edit and say you are my passive voice alpha... no one else kills it better. i edit before sending it to you now and check all my wases. :eek:

The thing is I don't see that much difference, there is no one who I have sent it to who hasn't improved it in some way. Even those who hated it (actually, maybe especially those.) I know one person on the Chrons who is brillliant at continuity, so an early draft would a. drive them mad cos no one is where they should be and b. not be as useful as just before it's ready to go when the fact that darn ship moved in the first scene might, just might, be a deal breaker.

So, it's about the timing of the review, not the imput.
 

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