Where best to find beta readers?

My beta readers read so as to tell me what works for them and what doesn't and if they get in a few grammar checks it's all the better for me.

I always make sure I thank my betas in acknowledgements and apologize for ignoring their advice: just in case I did.
 
When I completed my first draft I gave it to a couple family and friends to read. It was a mistake, because they hadn't expected me to suddenly become a wannabe writer so they were astounded by the fact that I wrote 130k of reasonable plot with some conflict, action, drama and romance. All their feedback was complimentary which gave me a false sense that I could actually write a publishable book. Ha!

I'm not blaming them for me deciding to submit it to publishers and agents at that point, because it was my own arrogance and naïveté, but let's say it didn't help. Lesson learned.

From now on I'm sticking with betas who can write first and foremost, preferably you lot because you write and read sf and fantasy and you don't pull your punches, which is great! Once I have ironed out the worst kinks I might let friends or family read it for a general idea of appeal. Then I'm going to ask Teresa to edit it, if it's good enough and then I might submit it.

Like Tinkerdan said in another thread, I learn most from critiquing others' work, so I am very happy indeed to exchange chapters. At present I come out from these swaps in credit because I am so novice, but I hope in time I'll develop into an effective beta reader for others and then I can really start paying back my debts.
 
Yeah, it'd be hard to beta read for someone you were very close to, unless you're also a writer. Being critical (when appropriate :p ) is very important. A writer's going to get criticism and flaws pointed out. The whole reason for beta reading is so that you get as many flaws removed so that when reviews are written people are left with only marvellous things to say.
 
This is a danger with writing groups - you kind of get used to individual styles and stop picking up the bits that jar, I think. It's one of the reasons I always like to crit outside my writing group circle.
 
There was a thread a couple of months back where this question popped up for someone in London, and I said i'd be asking around at Loncon. I asked a few people and the consensus seemed to be people used their writing groups or people they'd workshopped with for writer-level feedback.

Some people use reader-level feedback for alpha and writer-level for beta. Others prefer it the other way about. For short-fiction I wrap the whole thing up in one bundle and take whatever feedback I can get!
 
So, I often beta-read for my wife, who writes a lot of various sorts of fiction (1). I'm not always willing to do it (yes, your novel is important to me, but it is less important than winning this game of Huttball right now), but she usually finds it useful (2). I also do it for friends and for people on the internet who want it. So I've kind of got a few pointers:

1) Be clear about what you want it to be read for, at what stage of the writing process you are. SPAG (3) is useless if you're still trying to pull together the shape of the whole thing. If you have specific questions (Does this character work?) then it's always good to ask those.
2) Be clear about what kind of response you want back. Do you want a full edit, with suggested corrections? Or do you want a more general "this worked/didn't work for me because (brief description)" to let you do the fixing. Once again, it's about control and where you are in the sausage-factory process.
3) Be aware of the reader's prejudices and tendencies (and as a reader, be aware of yours). I, for example, jump on PoV problems like a cat with cheese, but will tend to pass over problems in characterisation that others might object to.

(1) Unpublished, but she's won proper judged competitions and stuff.
(2) Actually, it's the plot help that I find painful to give, because our approaches to writing differ so significantly that I struggle to mesh with her way of working. (She's an Explorer ("I start from here, where's next to go?"), I'm a "spot the islands, build the causeways" sort of person.)
(3) Spelling, Punctuation, and Grammar.
 

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