Crackpot theory: Aegon's true parentage

She got pregnant, and she was involved with a "Stark," it isn't specified which one, candidates are Ned and Brandon. My money is on Brandon as well. But we don't know that it was Stark who knocked her up, either.
 
I don't think that Brandon would be that disrespectful to steal his brother Ned's ladylove. My money is with the Mad King, er, Raper King.
 
Lady Dustin, if I recall correctly, in AFFC, had some fairly nasty things to say about Brandon. She'd been his booty call for a while... and she implied that Brandon was not kind in the bedroom, but rather thorough. I think that Brandon may not have been above finishing even if the girl wanted to stop.
 
Boaz said:
Lady Dustin, if I recall correctly, in AFFC, had some fairly nasty things to say about Brandon. She'd been his booty call for a while... and she implied that Brandon was not kind in the bedroom, but rather thorough. I think that Brandon may not have been above finishing even if the girl wanted to stop.
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It was ADWD but you are correct. Brandon was the polar opposite of Ned, from what we can tell. So I wouldn't for a moment put it past Brandon Stark to knock up his little brother's crush.
 
My personal hope and feeling is that the many dreams in ASOIAF are red herrings. Prophecy is a common fantasy trope that ties into existence of the supernatural, but George RR Martin appears to have rejected that approach in favour of a more earthly representation; where people create their own notions of the supernatural and prophecy, and interpret reality to suit their needs.

I think the dreams themselves aren't any sort of message, any more than the Dire Wolves are important, or the comet is important. What is important is how the characters react to them.
 
Also... Does anyone find the whole Aegon/Golden Company thing suspiciously similar to the second volume of the Black Company chronicles?
 
Tywin said:
Never read the Black Company chronicles.

As for the dreams and prophecies, we have several of them that have been fulfilled, (the death of Eddard, the Red Wedding).
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Have we, or did we just chose to interpret them that way? There's been plenty of foretellings that haven't come true.

Some people think Nostradamus has predicted numerous world events. In fact, the same passage predicts dozens of different world events, depending on who you talk to. It all comes down to interpretation.
 
Well, Gumboot, I'm with you as far as prophecies in the real world. :)

However, in Ice and Fire, magic definitely exists, and the "real" God is GRRM, who is the God of foreshadowing and storytelling and whatever he wants to happen, does! I suppose he will follow up on many prophecies or leave them as tricksy red herrings. And yes, people's reactions to the prophecies are important as you point out. Cersei comes to mind. We will wait and see...
 
I don't think all the dreams or prophecies necessarily need to be true, but I think there are hints in them. As you say gumboot, its how the characters react to the prophecies and dreams that is truely important.

For example, Miri Maz Duur's "Prophecy" listed a bunch of conditions that seem impossible that would have to happen before Drogo would be as he was. One of the conditions was that Dany would need to bear a living son. Because the other conditions seemed so impossible, Dany takes it to mean that she cannot have children, even though Miri never explicitly stated as such. Dany also takes it to mean that Drogo would never be as he was, so she suffocates him. This basically negates the rest of the "Prophecy" because now Drogo can TRULY never be as he was because he is dead.
 
It is pretty clear that Aegon is a descendent of Bittersteel.
This is evident in the vision presented to Daenerys in the House of The Undying when she sees a youth with silver hair beneath the banner of a flaming stallion.
People are too quick to assume this to be her unborn child. If the rest of her visions have proven to be substantiated then why would they present to her a false vision of something that can never actually happen?
There are a number of other hints - the loyalty of the Golden Company, something which they would not grant to the Targaryens, and Varys' reference to some debts running deeper than gold (beneath the gold, the bitter steel anyone?) being but two.
 
That's interesting, I quite like that. To be honest I don't think any of the possibilities for Aegons parentage would surprise me. Except that he actually turns out to be the son of Rheagar! That would be most surprising.
 
Narkalui said:
That's interesting, I quite like that. To be honest I don't think any of the possibilities for Aegons parentage would surprise me. Except that he actually turns out to be the son of Rheagar! That would be most surprising.
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Very true, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how Martin plays it out!
I hope that the amount of effort he has put in to building on the legend of the Blackfyres and Bittersteel will be somehow relevant in the coming books.
 
Yeah I hope so too. It would be nice if the blackfyre rebellions were actually pertinent to the narrative present rather than being a tale from the backstory...
 
In my opinion, they would grant their loyalty to a Targaryen at this point in their history. Like i posted elsewhere or here (dunno), Aegon is presented to them as a Targaryen, not as a Blackfyre descendant. As the son of Rhaegar.

As for the golden company being similar to the black company, only in so far as that they have never (or barely) broken a contract, and are the cream of the crop. Beyond that the difference are easy to come by. Very much so, the story of the black company and what happens in those books are very different.
 
There is another way to interpret that vision. Aegon is someone backed by the Golden Company which is Bittersteel's creation and he is about to return them all to Westeros together with Bittersteel's gold dipped skull which was Bittersteel's intent all along.

As @Koopa had said already, Aegon is noted to even the Golden Company as Rhaegar's son so their backing can hardly be used as proof of anything. Transporting Bittersteel's descendant to Westeros at such a young age and then transporting him back across the Narrow Sea seems implausible to me too. Whoever Aegon is, he originated in Westeros and how a ******* of Bittersteel might make it there is rather complicated. The Throne kept a tight watch of Blackfyres and Bittersteel all through their life and they returned to Westeros only to take arms. We don't know enough of Varys's past to speculate what the debts running deeper than gold mean so at best, that is a rather infirm connection. It might as well be a reference to Illyrio and Aegon being his ******* with some Valyrian descendant whore for all we know. Even his looks aren't favouring the theory as Bittersteel had distinctly non-Targaryen look. Sure, it might be that he also bedded someone else of Valyrian blood in Essos for there are many such people there, but would it keep hold through few generations? It would be more plausible he is some Blackfyre ******* for the looks were preserved in them and likelier to be preserved as such.

Also, you note other hints, @Aegon Bittersteel, perhaps you could list them then? Perhaps they hold more weight than these weak indications so far.
 
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Addendum: Upon checking, man in the vision is described as: "A tall lord with copper-skin and silver-gold hair beneath a banner of a fiery stallion, with a burning city in the background."

I'd say this is sufficient evidence to show that the lord in question is not Aegon.

Furthermore, I remembered that Bittersteel's sigil was a winged horse snorting fire. I dare say Dany would note the wings.
 
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After reading the aegon chapters again, I found nothing in the actual chapters that indicate he is a blackfyre, apart from his connection to the golden company. So If he is a blackfyre I don't think Aegon or Griff are actually aware of this.

The strongest suggestion is Quaite saying to Dany about the false dragon. So Im curious to know what else this could refer to?
 
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