The Great Hunt (Book 2) - Discussion Thread WITH SPOILERS

Well, I await any future theories. :)


Wow, though - Perrin? I don't have anything against him, but he's not one of my ultimate my favs. Then again, my favs keep changing as the characters change. Sometimes it's an on-off kinda relationship with them. :D

I'm hopeful you'll love book three if you do get that far. It's Wolfish Boy in all his glory, mostly, and lots happens. And you'd get to meet one of my ultimate fav characters as a POV character. But... we'll see. You have to like this book first! I always said this was the make-or-break book, which is why it's a shame to put the series down after number one. The world opens out so much from its LotR beginning, and lots of plot threads really get started. And you get little glimpses into the world of Aes Sedai, which had me awed! (The awesomeness of Aes Sedai only keeps increasing in the series.)
 
Well, Perrin isn't exactly full of personality, as such, but out of all the weird new powers, I'm most interested in his wolfy ability and I want to see where that goes.

I did forget until just now though the woman in the white dress that's been seen twice and also by Eg in her dream, standing over Rand. If that happened at the same time as where they ended up in chapter 13, maybe she had something to do with it.

Also new favourite character -- Uno, with all his bloodys and flamings and goat-kissed :D
 
Ooh! Interesting theory. I had the same one. ;)

I love Uno! I like the name choice, too. ;) Heh, and he just can't watch his mouth! The swearing in this series is actually made fun, which is one of the things I love.


Hmmm. As for new abilities - yeah, I think you might be spot-on about Perrin's being the more intriguing. I remember being eager to read about his goings-on when it was about his ability. But soon enough the other "abilities" got interesting, too, and I was racing along trying to learn it all! At least I didn't have to wait years between books to find out how each ability grew. That's the good thing about coming into a completed series.
 
Right *cracks knuckles* I'll put down some stuff that I've thought so far.

What I've thought about Rand's birth. Originally I thought he may have been the child of an Aes Sadai, considering they usually go into battle. I assume they have kids (especially the Greens ;)) Or maybe they don't, I don't know enough about them yet. Anyway, now the current idea is that Rand's an Aiel, and their women fight (woo!) so it could be anyone. Maybe it's like Christian, Mary wasn't anyone overly special. Buuuut considering everyone in this story has something special about them, I doubt that. Something I've always held on to, is that Tam's a Warder. Back during my "mother's an Aes Sadai, I thought he might be her Warder, even though he said he just came across her randomly (if I recall rightly). I know that Moiraine has even explained bits, saying he was a commander or something. But Aes Sadai's don't always say everything! And he has an awesome sword, one of the most awesome of even the awesome ones, and was always the best tracker in the village, so...I just can't let that idea go until I know more.

I don't trust this Selene woman. She's being shifty.

This void of Rand's is getting more interesting. Though seeing as I don't trust Selene at the moment, I'm dubious about him needing to keep it going all the time. But she did mention that it has lots of abilities, which adds towards confirming something I thought earlier...Fain mentioned that he couldn't always sense Rand and I reckon he can't every time Rand uses the void.

Fain is so melodramatic I just have to laugh at him more than anything. When he speaks, anyway. His actions...doing that to a Fade! Dun dun dun...
 
Wow, Hoopy! That thinking is quite impressive for where you are in the series! I shall neither confirm nor deny, but know that Seph approves of your theories, too - he says it's cool that you're thinking along those lines. Thinking like that will get you far in this series!

And, btw, that everyone has something special about them is NOT just Jordan making up stuff to make people read on (well, I suppose he is, actually, given that that is the point of a story!). It all fits into Jordan's intricate plot. I learned to be more trusting of Jordan as I progressed through the series.



And, heh. The void is getting more interesting, hmmm? Weeeell..... heh. (YIPPEE!!!)


Anyway, all I can say is, by the sounds of some of the things you just said, I so hope you DO read the rest of the series. You'd like some of the later cast members. ;)





Edit: Oh, and do let me know once you're in the White Tower. I'm eager to see if you like the first POV chapter there. I know I did!
 
Whoa whoa whoa! So I've been interested in finding out about Lanfear, the crazy powerful Forsaken and now that her name has popped up again, it's made me think...has she escaped. IS SHE SELENE?? Dun dun dun... Considering that she was supposed linked to Lews Tustin before he married, maybe she was trying the same thing with him as she's doing with Rand...

Just a thought, I could be barking up completely the wrong tree. But I definitely want to know mote about her.

Also, just finished the first White Tower chapter. Damn, that was good! I'm glad that we're really getting to know Ny now. Even I was getting a little fed up with her constant anger and I was a little bemused by her raw hatred of Moiraine. Now, though. Damn, her loyalty to the Edmond lot is immense! And oooh, that Lan bit I knew as soon as she stepped through the third arch. I was actually "oh no"ing out loud by the end cos I felt so sorry for her.

But daaammn, she's powerful. Not just using the One Power, but bringing the arch back! I can't wait to see her really at full, crazy strength.
 
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Yeah, I remember being on the edge of my seat for the Arches bit. I was so rooting for her (and like you, I'd been getting a bit cheesed off with her, though now I realise that her character is fiercely loyal, and she DOES hate Moraine because of how Moraine tricked and ruined/separated the Emond Field lot. I began to trust her and understand her a bit more, though it took some getting used to. She's loyal to the point of foolish stubbornness, though I suppose, like the others, she's still very young really. I forget that sometimes, because she seems older somehow and was a Wisdom, and I always think of wise women as old.

Anyway, I loved those Arches scenes! It made me hope to see Egwene's, even though Egwene's lower down.

And... oooooh! Hoopy!!! You are FANTASTIC in your guesses! I love them! Thanks for letting me hear them. I know I can't respond in any spoilery way, but it's great to see your guesses. Are you right, close, or waaaay off, though, hmmm? ;)
 
Just a quick note for anyone browsing. You can buy UK books 2-4 for around £12, which takes you up to the book with so many shocking and amazing moments, book 4, a lot of people's favourite WoT book (possibly mine, too!). You'd have to be quick, though: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Robert-Jo...Collections_Lots_Books_EH&hash=item256a25ed03


Hoopy, I know it's probably too early to tell, but if you did want to give books 3 and 4 a go, I've found eBay sellers who do buy-it-nows for the illustrated versions, and the combined total would be £7.75 - which is cheaper than your last book! :) Not sure how long the books will be around for, though. Anyway, you don't have to reply to this, but if you're interested, I could PM you.
 
Ooh!!! Fingers crossed, fingers crossed...


I shall PM you now, madam!
 
*splutter* Oh, Ingtar and co, you couldn't have turned up just ten minutes earlier! That's well frustrating, that is! Just even had to explain to No One what just happened because I was indignating out loud :D
 
:D:D:D

Heh, I recall a reaction quite similar to that... Aaaaaand... I might've exclaimed out loud at the unfairness of said moment.


(Well, that tells me which chapter you're on! ;))
 
Renna must die. Man, I haven't hated a character so immediately since...well, I don't know when! I want Ny to roll up and burn her to a cinder, but what I really want is for Eg to finally show some of the crazy potential people think she has and just completely surpass the leash and subject Renna to everything she's done.

Go on, Jordan, give me some beautiful payback!
 
Heh. I know the part you're at. I HATED her for doing that, too! I was shocked at seeing that done to them. They're so unbeatable! Yet... not, apparently. :D And... what I will say is that some characters take a little longer to grow and reach their snapping point, but when they do...!!! :eek: The book I'm on - book eight - had a very great moment where one character took charge and really showed people who was boss. I LOVED it!

Anyway, one thing I loved about the end chapters in your book is the thrill I felt realising that everyone of the split-up party were heading to the same place. It felt very epic! I got soooo excited and expected something Big to happen.
And it did, just not in the way I expected.
 
That was quite the dramatic ending! Things are really gearing up now. Much faster than I expected, even. Are there definitely another twelve books to all this? ;)

Hells yeah to Ny in those last few chapters! And I would have done the same as Eg. And wouldn't have let anyone stop me so quickly!

Shocker with Ingtar, though. I had a feeling a noble sacrifice was coming up, but the revelation beforehand I didn't expect in the slightest.

But boom, scratch one for Hoopy and her spot on guess :D

Anyway, time to digest and think things over!
 
Heh, yaaaaaaay! You liked it!!! (Sorry I hadn't got back to you. I've not been too well today - my head keeps drooping in my chair but I can't afford to sleep, cos I've a website to design. Must... keep... going! I think my head's about to burst right now, thou! :eek:

Anywa, wohooooo! This has really made me smile!!! I'd hoped book two would get to you the way it did me. It's so much better than book one, and hopefully you can see how un-LotR it's become.

As for your digesting... well, you could actually work out one of the huge shockers to the end of book three if you're astute enough (I wasn't :D). You'd have to go back and reread those two or three climax scenes in book one, in the Blight with that pool of untainted Saidin, then you could work out the BIG shocker! And possibly a couple of other things, too.

And, heh. Blimey, if you think the story's almost neatly wrapped up, you won't even beghin to guess how big it gets! You've not even had any truly shocking moments yet. All the way through this series I see more and more clues that Jordan DID plan everything carefully, thoroughly, and stuck to it. Even in book one, parts link up with later books - even parts you won't realise. I still stand by my decision that Mr J knew what he was doing all along. :)


So, the question is, do you think a certain brainy hare will try the book, or does he need further recommendation? :D

Right, I'm gonna slide off my seat to fall into a heap on the carpter. Adios!


carpter? I typed "carpet"!!!
 
Checks out the two way dialogue.

"Hey, is this a private thread or can anyone join in?"

Actually, no. I could probably work ou which cardboard box 'fantasy J' is in, but I don't feel much like unpacking anything before it's arrived in the UK.

Beside, I got as far as number nine or ten and decided the situation by the end of the book hadn't changed appreciably since the beginning (my bookseller had assured me that the wheel with seven spokes signified a long but not excessive series of seven volumes) and gave up.
 
So, the question is, do you think a certain brainy hare will try the book, or does he need further recommendation? :D


Hrrmrrmmmrm.

If Hoopy will indulge me, I'd like to know what mark she would have given book1 (out of ten, say) just after reading it (i.e. not with hindsight) and what she would give book2 now. Then we'll see. :p
 
Chrispy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) Nice to hear you're in the UK. If I ever have enough money, Seph and I would dearly love to meet you. No chainsaws for me now*, though! Though that would have been awesome...


You are always welcome. And it's only two way because I failed in my WoT reasding mission. :D I hope Hoop'll continue enjoying the books, but if not, I've had a brilliant time reading her theories and seeing someone else's thughts. It's always fun to WoT theorise.

But, Chrispy, if you got to book eleven, you're over the hurdle - number ten is supposedly the slow book where Jordan misjudged plot-thread timings and ended up dragging some out.

I'm about to start book nine now, which has the ending I've been waiting for, if I'm right in my guiess (oooh! EXCITING!!!). Already I differed from Seph in my viewing of book eight. I didn't have a problem with its short length, since I didn't have years to wait between books, and I'm all set to expect some threads to drag for a couple of books soon. But I'm looking forward to it! I loved some of the revelations and events in eight!!! And one character firmly put their foot down in this book, which was brilliant to see!



HareBrain - heh! Sensible move. Personally, I'd like to hear Hoopy say how different the book is to book one, since so many of you didn't think book two would be *that* different or engaging enough. Still, I always say readers should get to the end of book four before quitting (if they have to), cos four's got those awesome, awesome moments in it! Then again, I also know if you're meh about book two, maybe you'll be meh abuot the others...



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*Those two are not related, for any who don't know what I'm talking about. I would not want to meet Chrispy while holding a chainsaw!!! :eek:
 
Nope, the book was exactly the same as the first and I hated every moment!

;)

Urgh. I knew this was coming but I'm still not prepared for it! I'm not sure what out of ten I would give the two books. It would be fairly low in comparison to my other favourite books at this point, which would sound worse than it is, because I haven't felt like either have been bad.

So what I'll do is try and sum up the main points at this stage and let you, Harebrain, take from it what you will. I'll try and avoid spoilers, but there are a couple of things I do want to mention especially that may almost leak into such.

Firstly, I think this thread shows that I did very much get into the book and -- being the rather involved reader that I am -- there were bits that were a surprise or had me trying to puzzle things out.

The book is different to the first, yes. I think a large part of this is helped by our going into many more and different POVs; this also helps to widen the story out a lot more, too. And Jordan certainly does pull out his own stuff in this book, as even some of the Tolkien elements are gone into a bit more detail and turn out to be rather different (I'm thinking of the winged beasties especially, they turn out to be...rrrr). Some of them (or one in particular) would hopefully make you as angry as it made me and I think Leish (heh! Leish ;)) I won't pretend that the characters have come on in leaps and bounds since the first book, but in this second there are a couple in particular that do grow and you learn more about -- hopefully feel more for, too. One, I would say, is Rand himself, even if you do still want to slap him at the start ;)

I will say that at present I really don't fear for the characters lives much, or that the Big Bad feels particularly that (big and bad), either. Certainly the Trollocs haven't felt menacing since after their very first appearance and the bad guy in this book was a little melodramatic for my tastes at times (and the Dark One, I forget one of his many names, the fact that he actually and seriously calls people 'worm' and 'fool' just tickles me). Also, despite the fact that this book does of course have its own plot and intrigues and exploits, the overall structure does feel repetitive. A fair bit of travelling (though again, some differences and interesting bits with this), running from or fighting with Trollocs and culminating in a meeting with Everyone's Favourite Flame Face again at the end. To be very honest, I'm a little worried that we're heading to this same sort of climax in book 3; hopefully not, though.

OVERALL...I would say try it. Having read the book now, I can see Leisha's point. I think you do need to read the second one to get a real feel of this series and what it can do (or shows the potential to do). There's enough to keep me reading on (the third book is on its way) but I can also see that it would be enough for others to decide it's not for them. Personally, as others have said, no you shouldn't have to get to an entire second book to decide if you're gripped or not...but in this exceptional circumstance, I'd say you do.


One thing that will thoroughly piss me off if it keeps happening is if every single ruddy woman who meets Rand immediately and completely falls in love with him. I mean, really. Two of them for certain have only spoken to him, like, twice, max. I'm not bothered if it's some kind of symptom of his Pattern Weavingness, it's ridiculous!

Other than that, the characters generally did more awesome things than annoying things for me this time around, which has to be a good thing ;)
 

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