3.10: Game of Thrones - Mhysa

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Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.

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I made some notes as I was watching, which I'll try to run through quickly.

First off, damn... that's an opener and a half! I didn't expect to see anything else from the Red Wedding, yet as awful as it was, I'm kind of glad they showed Robb with his wolf's head sewn to his body. It's the stuff of nightmares, and one of the images from the books that sticks with you the most. I wonder what Roose Bolton was thinking as he watched from the battlements.

With all the horrible things going on elsewhere, it kind of makes sense that the humour would come from the relative safety of the Red Keep. We got to see some interesting parallels between Tyrion and Arya, through their lists, with the key difference being that Tyrion just wants to ruin the lives of the people on his list, rather than kill them ("Do you think me Joffrey?"). It was nice to see Sansa and Tyrion getting along, and I loved Pod's entrance - I had to rewind it to catch what the giggling girls were saying, but Pod was greeted with: "Oh! That's him!".

In the Small Council meeting, we got to see the different factions within King's Landing, which I don't remember picking up on in the books (apart from Pycelle's obvious loyalties) - Tyrion and Varys; Pycelle, Cersei, and Joffrey; and Tywin ruling them all. It was nice to see Tywin joining in with Tyrion and Varys' amusement at the expense of Joffrey (Any man who needs to tell people they are the King isn't the King; and The King is tired, take him to bed. Diddums!).

Hodor should also get his share of comedy points, with his own version of "Echo, echo, echo...".

Walder Frey really is a piece of work, and he seems so pleased with himself. I'm surprised he hasn't picked up on Roose Bolton's disgust. I really wish we see more of Roose - he's a fantastically interesting character.

Theon's torturer is named! Book readers can finally start naming him in public: Ramsay Snow, the ******* of the Dreadfort. He even has his share of (dark, really, really dark) humour: "Nooooo... pork sausage. Do you think I'm some sort of savage?". Iwan Rheon is doing a stellar job of portraying the psychopathic Ramsay, and I'm not surprised that Theon learnt his new name, Reek, so quickly.

Sam and Gilly have made it back to the other side of the wall... but without Coldhands. I wonder if he'll put in an appearance on the other side of the Wall, or if he has been cut for good?

Eee, I'm a cockernee Greyjoy geeza!

Poor Pod really does have a hard job being Tyrion's squire - I can't think of a worse person to be a drinking partner for. Luckily, he is saved by Cersei... who goes on and gets humanised. This woman is a truly nasty piece of work, yet on screen, I can't help but feel sorry for her. Joffrey was, for so long, her reason for living, and despite knowing how awful he is, Cersei still can't stop loving her son.

Arya! :eek: That is cold, girl, damned cold. I guess that guy made her list... and unlike Tyrion, Arya is willing to kill anyone who makes her list.

It was fun to see Jon carrying on the fine tradition of Stark men and their arrow love. It breaks my heart to see Ygritte in such a state, though. Not long ago, the couple were the only spark of light in all of Westeros, and now? Very sad.

This is becoming a long post, so I'll just make two more comments, beginning with the awesome setup of the first scene between Stannis, Mel, and Davos. It might be a bit obvious, but I really liked how Stannis, stood in the middle of the shot, was flanked by the woman in red on his left, and the voice of reason on his right.

And finally, fittingly, Dany. I sometimes get the impression that, despite everything happening on Westeros, this is her story. It can't be coincidence that every series has ended with her scenes (or near enough - Sam seeing the Walker at the end of the second series was just a bit of fun), each more powerful than the last: hatching dragons; looting the palace to buy a ship; held aloft by people proclaiming her "Mother".

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In short, a good finale. Lots of things have been set in motion (some that are obvious, like Stannis' future arc, and some that aren't so obvious), and the fourth series can't come sooner!
 
Just watched it. Pretty good, I thought. And did we get to see every character? (Loras was missing, who else?)

Can't say as I remember any of that, any of it, from the books!

And although he is repulsive, I do love Barry. I mean, Ramsay.
 
Also Rickon and Osha, Locke and his Bloody Mummers (or whatever the TV series has replaced them with), and Thoros and the Brotherhood Without Banners.

However, none of them were really expected, so they don't count.

In terms of main characters, I can only think that we were missing the Tyrells.
 
As a non-reader I have to ask as Mrs Ctg is getting on my nerve that how come Jaime made to the capitol before Joffrey's wedding and why was it that they didn't show it this season?
 
Not sure why Jaime made it before the wedding, but obviously he had horses and a group of guards from Harrenhal, which is why they made such good time.

As for Joffrey's wedding not being shown, I guess because we've already had two weddings, a third would be a bit much. Plus, it's quite a fancy affair (those in power want it to be a huge wedding to be remembered), which means it will take a lot of planning (in world time), and the required budget is probably a bit big for what has been a fairly explosive series.

I fully expect the wedding to be shown within the first half of the next series.
 
It seems they are behind schedule, doesn't it? I always assumed that one season corresponded to one novel, and yet there are a few things left from book three.

Anyway, it was a great season finale, and clearly not as horrifying as the previous episode.Lenny summarized all points well, and I have little further to add.
Most characters are getting interesting arcs. The Tywin-Joffrey confrontation was so great. However, I thought the Ygritte part was a bit silly. What had she really expected of Jon?
 
Was hoping for Joffrey's wedding to end it.

I have to admit feeling a little impatient with this season - too many scenes where characters stop to soliloquy about themselves. And fast-forwarded through Theon's scene - I think we get it.

Didn't feel that much like an ending as much as a dragged out epilogue.

Oh - but Stannis has basically laid out Dany's plot conclusion - apparently you can easily conquer the seven kingdoms with 3 dragons and a small army. The big question is how Jon and Tyrion fit into all this.
 
Didn't feel that much like an ending as much as a dragged out epilogue.

I think the Rains of Castamere would have been much stronger finish for the season.

Not having yet read the books, I was blind-sided by the wedding carnage. I had been completely set up by the tender, playful exchange between Robb and Talisa about their impending parenthood, as well as by Catelyn's apparent softening toward her daughter-in-law.

As the credits rolled, I found myself repeatedly saying aloud “holy s**t!” It was such a shocking cliffhanger that I found myself double-checking that episode 3.10 was, indeed, still coming.
 
It seems they are behind schedule, doesn't it? I always assumed that one season corresponded to one novel, and yet there are a few things left from book three.

Anyway, it was a great season finale, and clearly not as horrifying as the previous episode.Lenny summarized all points well, and I have little further to add.
Most characters are getting interesting arcs. The Tywin-Joffrey confrontation was so great. However, I thought the Ygritte part was a bit silly. What had she really expected of Jon?

Book 3 will be 2 seasons, so they are going along just fine. Though they have changed some timelines a bit (like Jaime's early arrival) but that is not a big deal.

I also kind of thought that Joff's wedding would take place in the last episode, but that would have meant a wedding each episode for the last 3 episodes, not to mention introducing characters (hiring and paying actors) in this season rather than the next. Some characters they left out can be written in easily enough (coldhands) but some characters are introduced with joffs wedding as the premise and it wouldn't make sense to introduce them after the wedding.
 
I think the Rains of Castamere would have been much stronger finish for the season.

Not having yet read the books, I was blind-sided by the wedding carnage. I had been completely set up by the tender, playful exchange between Robb and Talisa about their impending parenthood, as well as by Catelyn's apparent softening toward her daughter-in-law.

As the credits rolled, I found myself repeatedly saying aloud “holy s**t!” It was such a shocking cliffhanger that I found myself double-checking that episode 3.10 was, indeed, still coming.

The big surprises (or in the case of season 2, the big set piece with the Blackwater) seem to be coming the penultimate episode of each season.
 
The big surprises (or in the case of season 2, the big set piece with the Blackwater) seem to be coming the penultimate episode of each season.



I agree. The Red Wedding would have been the usual big end-of-season cliffhanger, but I think that GOT is making a statement here. They know that, regardless of how they end the season, people will still be desperate for the start of the next, so there is no concern to put finances above the story. I think what it is also saying is that life is cheap in this world; whether people live or die is unimportant - what really matters is that the House survives.

Whatever happened was always going to be a climbdown from the last episode, but there were still some great bits in this episode. It was heartwarming to see Tyrion (for once) being fully backed by his father when threatening Joffrey.
 
Arya taking out the Frey soldiers along the road was pretty brutal, too, I thought. And the breakup between Jon and Ygritte. Ouch.
 
Btw I too get the feeling that the story is Dany's and her dragons. She and they are the real gamechangers. She is honest, kind and fair; three things which are usually enough to get you killed (just ask the Starks!), but she has dragons to back up her words.

In the usual tales, you would expect all of the warring factions to unite against the White Walkers, but in this worid who knows?
 
Arya taking out the Frey soldiers along the road was pretty brutal, too, I thought. And the breakup between Jon and Ygritte. Ouch.


She is a deadly shot - would three arrows all hit him in non-vital spots? I think she was leaving something for him to remember her by, but no killer shots.
 
Arya taking out the Frey soldiers along the road was pretty brutal, too, I thought.

I couldn't understand how Frey soldiers got in the middle of the forest to grill sausages so quickly. Especially as they didn't seem to have horses and yet they were talking about the killings as if they had been there in the night. But I absolutely loved Hounds face, when he hold the small knife in his BIG hand and wondered where Arya had been hiding it. :D
 
She is a deadly shot - would three arrows all hit him in non-vital spots? I think she was leaving something for him to remember her by, but no killer shots.

I sort of got the idea that she missed the vitals on purpose, too. That just seems to make the most sense, story-wise. Obviously, it is hard to know for sure, though.
 
I sort of got the idea that she missed the vitals on purpose, too. That just seems to make the most sense, story-wise. Obviously, it is hard to know for sure, though.


If she'd really wanted to stop him, she'd have shot the horse.
 

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