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Following on from Hex's suggestion yesterday, I got a few responses, so I pulled this together. Below are 12 short excerpts (Mods, all are under 100 words, which is, as far as I could research fine under copyright law, and in a day or two I will come back and mark up who wrote each published or self-published work so that they're clearly attributed. If this isn't okay, please delete the thread. And blame Hex. :p :D)

What we're considering is around editorial ie does the extensive additional editorial input for published work make a difference to the read of that work.

So, there are 4 each of self, un and published work below, all recent sff. Can you tell the difference?


1.

Dog Valley was a fine place to raise your children. It was reckoned to be one of the safest – brigands and thieves gave it a wide berth, and there was always enough to pay the taxes when the king’s collectors came calling. Anyone who passed through was made welcome, and traders used to come here first, after the winter snows cleared. Prosperity and safety – all because of the big mountain dogs the villagers had tamed hundreds of years ago. Legend has it Redbeard Hinton wrestled a pack of ‘em, until they were all beat, and they followed him faithfully after that.


2.

After an afternoon of similar tantrums on my part, someone decided it was time to have cake. My mother seemed to be taking forever in the kitchen, and I went to check on her. I don’t know why I was the one getting the cake instead of the maid, who was far more maternal.


3.

Presently, a middle-aged man appeared on the screen. His hair and the goatee-style beard that he kept trimmed short were bright white, complementing his fair skin. Behind him, lavish paintings, with equally splendid frames, hung on cream coloured walls, whilst ornaments and a number of fine-looking vases, filled with fresh cut, colourful flowers sat on a table. The man’s surroundings were beautifully decorated, as could be expected of the family home of a wealthy, successful business man.


4.

He was a child of the horned moon. That much Corleu's great-gran told him, after, pipe between her last few teeth, she washed the mud out of his old man's hair and stood him between her knees to dry it.

"You have your granda's hair," she said.

"Tell him take it back." A thin, wiry child, brown as dirt otherwise, he stood tensely, still trembling with the indignity of being crowned with mud, tied up with Venn's granny's holey stockings and left in the sun to dry.


5.

Jimmy gave a soft beep, and his light-antennae projected an image onto the wall. John got up, ready to trace it like he had last night, follow the hills and the path along the top of the island that linked two lighthouses with his finger, and then ask Jimmy which part of the map matched where they were.

There were no hills, just a square, flat, featureless plain. He touched the wall, and it moved under his hand. A block raised from the centre of the projection, forming under him as he moved his hand along. What the hell –


6.

The ringing of the phone jerked me from my sleep. I clawed my eyes open and rolled off my bed. For some reason someone had moved the floor several feet lower than I had expected, and I fell and crashed with a thud.

Ow.

A blond head popped over the side of the bed, and a familiar male voice asked, "Are you okay down there?"


7

Zama calls. And it’s not even my birthday. Of all of us, Siphokazi is the only one cares enough to try to hold the family together, and naturally, that’s what Zama’s calling about.

“You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?” says my sister, her tone dripping accusation.

“No,” I say, “of course not.” but I have. Who has time to keep track of these things? And it’s morbid, dredging it up year after year. The past only holds you back. It’s like a drift net. The kind you get tangled in and drown.


8.

Troublesome hardly described it, but Thren wouldn’t let his son know that. His flight from the mansion was a blur in his memory. The toxin had numbed his arm and made his entire side sting with pain. His neck muscles had fired off at random, and one of his knees kept locking up during his run. He had felt like a cripple as he fled through the alleyways of Veldaren, but thankfully the moon was waning and the streets empty, so none had seen his pathetic stumbling.


9.

Loathsome toad of a self-centred, self-satisfied idiot.

She slammed out of the flat, the door juddering in its frame behind her.

“Wait! Ellie!”

“Get to – to Falkirk, Andy.” She stamped down the stairs, aware he was hanging over the banister at the top, watching her go. When she slammed the door to the street the huge clanging crash rang right through her body, wildly satisfying. And then she noticed the sleet.


10.

A young paramedic was in the helicopter and he administered sedation.

We crossed into Illyrian airspace in silence, but for the gradually subsiding sobs of Tojo as he settled into selep, and the thrub-thrub-thrub of the helicopter blades.

Claude glanced at me.

“The Reaction was bad in Japan,” he said, gruffly, by way of explanation. “Public beheadings, torture… you know. It reminds him.”


11.

Angry, Mojag pushed Gaeshi away from him. Then he rolled onto his back and cradled his knee. “You tried to kill me!” he hissed. “Traitor!”

“No! I--”

“You almost choked me to death,” Mojag spat. “I know you don’t like me, but killing me? That’s low! You… you…” He roared out in pain and frustration before starting to cough, his throat raw. He shoved at Gaeshi again when the other man came near and then snatched a waterskin out of his hand when he offered it.

“It’s this place,” Gaeshi said. “I can feel it infecting me…. We need to find Sorrel and get out of here.”


12.

I pushed the door open a little and looked out. The corridor was empty. We slipped in and out of shallow pools of light cast by the lamps. Nobody else walked by – most of the monks were in their cells by now.


We reached a corner of the cloister. A bitter breeze drifted between the pillars, carrying a scattering of snowflakes to the floor. Lamps burned along the outer, covered section of the octagon. In the centre, however, darkness reigned. As my eyesight adjusted, I could make out the shrubs which dotted the cloister.
 
Wow, this is harder than you think... Here are my guesses:

Unpublished: 1,5,6 and 11.

Self-published:3,7,8 and 12.

Published: 2,4,9, 10.

But it's harder because (!) the writers here are pretty damn good...
 
Would you expect any difference between unpublished and self-published? They might have gone through exactly the same process, except that one of the authors has pulled the trigger on getting it out there.

I also think a lot of publisher's editorial input would be with a lot broader brush than could be detected in a hundred words.

Of the ones I don't recognise, I could tell you which I think need more editing: 3,4,5, and 10. My guess is that 6 and 7 are published. And I think 10 might be a trick!
 
No, no tricks. :)

I think the argument on self-publishing was from a different take, actually. It should read different from un-published as the good self-publicists would say it should be just as polished as anything published is.

Edit; just, also, to say thanks to those who sent me stuff for the thread. :)
 
I haven't got a clue. I disagree with HB about 7. I don't think that's published, there's a capital B missing. Unless it's a red herring.
 
Hmm. It's not easy to recognise professional writing vs non-professional.

I'd say: 1, 3 and 11 were self-published; 10 and 12 are published, and I reckon 2 and 5 are unpublished.
 
I'm pretty sure I can ID four Chrons there so I'll bite my tongue :D
 
Great exercise. I have to agree that the self-pub and unpublished are put in the same virtual category for me. While any 100 words may be edited just as well, a professional publisher will have input on story and structure that can't be recognized in this format. That said, the prose alone is very difficult to decipher, so that's a win for those unyet published! Good job, everyone. :):D

These are my guesses:

Published: 2, 6, 7, 9
Self Pub: 3, 5, 8, 12
Unpub: 1, 4, 10, 11

(FYI- I found myself looking for a close POV when deciding on published. I realized just how important character is to me.)
 
1.

Dog Valley was a fine place to raise your children. It was reckoned to be one of the safest – brigands and thieves gave it a wide berth, and there was always enough to pay the taxes when the king’s collectors came calling. Anyone who passed through was made welcome, and traders used to come here first, after the winter snows cleared. Prosperity and safety – all because of the big mountain dogs the villagers had tamed hundreds of years ago. Legend has it Redbeard Hinton wrestled a pack of ‘em, until they were all beat, and they followed him faithfully after that.

This reads like a first draft to me. It sounds almost like the author making notes on a background for a story. It needs editing to get rid of the overuse of dashes and commas where new sentences would be better. The use of "'em" in otherwise formal language stands out as well.

Guess: UNPUBLISHED

2.

After an afternoon of similar tantrums on my part, someone decided it was time to have cake. My mother seemed to be taking forever in the kitchen, and I went to check on her. I don’t know why I was the one getting the cake instead of the maid, who was far more maternal.

I assume this is from the middle of a story, and is not the start. With that it mind, this reads professionally, with an interesting tone and nice bits of characterization.

Guess: PUBLISHED


3.

Presently, a middle-aged man appeared on the screen. His hair and the goatee-style beard that he kept trimmed short were bright white, complementing his fair skin. Behind him, lavish paintings, with equally splendid frames, hung on cream coloured walls, whilst ornaments and a number of fine-looking vases, filled with fresh cut, colourful flowers sat on a table. The man’s surroundings were beautifully decorated, as could be expected of the family home of a wealthy, successful business man.

There are phrases here that need editing. Why "goatee-style beard" instead of just "goatee"? A bit of redundancy is seen in "wealthy, suceessful businessman" (which should be one word.) The third sentence gets lost in all those commas and needs some restructuring. Good descriptive images.

Guess: SELF-PUBLISHED

4.

He was a child of the horned moon. That much Corleu's great-gran told him, after, pipe between her last few teeth, she washed the mud out of his old man's hair and stood him between her knees to dry it.

"You have your granda's hair," she said.

"Tell him take it back." A thin, wiry child, brown as dirt otherwise, he stood tensely, still trembling with the indignity of being crowned with mud, tied up with Venn's granny's holey stockings and left in the sun to dry.

Good opening hook. The second sentence needs rewording; the "after" is placed in such a way that the reader gets lost. I also got mixed up over "old man's hair" until I realized that was a metaphor. Good descriptions.

Guess: SELF-PUBLISHED


5.

Jimmy gave a soft beep, and his light-antennae projected an image onto the wall. John got up, ready to trace it like he had last night, follow the hills and the path along the top of the island that linked two lighthouses with his finger, and then ask Jimmy which part of the map matched where they were.

There were no hills, just a square, flat, featureless plain. He touched the wall, and it moved under his hand. A block raised from the centre of the projection, forming under him as he moved his hand along. What the hell –

We need a better word for "light-antennae." The second sentence is confusing, and creates the amusing image that the two lighthouses are connected by his finger. Interesting sense of futuristic oddness.

Guess: UNPUBLISHED


6.

The ringing of the phone jerked me from my sleep. I clawed my eyes open and rolled off my bed. For some reason someone had moved the floor several feet lower than I had expected, and I fell and crashed with a thud.

Ow.

A blond head popped over the side of the bed, and a familiar male voice asked, "Are you okay down there?"

This reads smoothly, with a nicely done tone of voice.

Guess: PUBLISHED


7

Zama calls. And it’s not even my birthday. Of all of us, Siphokazi is the only one cares enough to try to hold the family together, and naturally, that’s what Zama’s calling about.

“You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?” says my sister, her tone dripping accusation.

“No,” I say, “of course not.” but I have. Who has time to keep track of these things? And it’s morbid, dredging it up year after year. The past only holds you back. It’s like a drift net. The kind you get tangled in and drown.

Good mood, tone, and characterization. "But I have." should be capitalized.

Guess: SELF-PUBLISHED


8.

Troublesome hardly described it, but Thren wouldn’t let his son know that. His flight from the mansion was a blur in his memory. The toxin had numbed his arm and made his entire side sting with pain. His neck muscles had fired off at random, and one of his knees kept locking up during his run. He had felt like a cripple as he fled through the alleyways of Veldaren, but thankfully the moon was waning and the streets empty, so none had seen his pathetic stumbling.

This otherwise vivid scene suffers from the very common disease of "had"-itis. The overuse of "had" pulls us out of the scene. One would be enough to signal the flashback. Also, the detailed description seems to contradict the way we are told this is only a blur in his memory.

Guess: UNPUBLISHED

9.

Loathsome toad of a self-centred, self-satisfied idiot.

She slammed out of the flat, the door juddering in its frame behind her.

“Wait! Ellie!”

“Get to – to Falkirk, Andy.” She stamped down the stairs, aware he was hanging over the banister at the top, watching her go. When she slammed the door to the street the huge clanging crash rang right through her body, wildly satisfying. And then she noticed the sleet.

A vivid, emotional scene. My one quibble is the unusual word "juddering," which may just be creativity on the part of the author.

Guess: PUBLISHED


10.

A young paramedic was in the helicopter and he administered sedation.

We crossed into Illyrian airspace in silence, but for the gradually subsiding sobs of Tojo as he settled into selep, and the thrub-thrub-thrub of the helicopter blades.

Claude glanced at me.

“The Reaction was bad in Japan,” he said, gruffly, by way of explanation. “Public beheadings, torture… you know. It reminds him.”

The first sentence lacks vividness, and certainly isn't worth a paragraph all to itself. I don't think "by way of explanation" is needed. Otherwise, a vivid scene.

Guess: SELF-PUBLISHED


11.

Angry, Mojag pushed Gaeshi away from him. Then he rolled onto his back and cradled his knee. “You tried to kill me!” he hissed. “Traitor!”

“No! I--”

“You almost choked me to death,” Mojag spat. “I know you don’t like me, but killing me? That’s low! You… you…” He roared out in pain and frustration before starting to cough, his throat raw. He shoved at Gaeshi again when the other man came near and then snatched a waterskin out of his hand when he offered it.

“It’s this place,” Gaeshi said. “I can feel it infecting me…. We need to find Sorrel and get out of here.”

We don't need the "angry" since we get lots of evidence for this right away. I contend that you can't really "hiss" or "spit" dialogue, particularly full sentences. The ellipsis needs to be used very sparingly. We don't need "then" to link two actions when we already have "and."

Guess: UNPUBLISHED


12.

I pushed the door open a little and looked out. The corridor was empty. We slipped in and out of shallow pools of light cast by the lamps. Nobody else walked by – most of the monks were in their cells by now.


We reached a corner of the cloister. A bitter breeze drifted between the pillars, carrying a scattering of snowflakes to the floor. Lamps burned along the outer, covered section of the octagon. In the centre, however, darkness reigned. As my eyesight adjusted, I could make out the shrubs which dotted the cloister.


I might replace the dash with a period, but otherwise this is fine. Good sensory appeal.

Guess: PUBLISHED
 
Nice one, Victoria! I'll copy you :)
1.

Dog Valley was a fine place to raise your children. It was reckoned to be one of the safest – brigands and thieves gave it a wide berth, and there was always enough to pay the taxes when the king’s collectors came calling. Anyone who passed through was made welcome, and traders used to come here first, after the winter snows cleared. Prosperity and safety – all because of the big mountain dogs the villagers had tamed hundreds of years ago. Legend has it Redbeard Hinton wrestled a pack of ‘em, until they were all beat, and they followed him faithfully after that.


Wasn't sure about this one. I like the idea a lot. I decided it was self-published because it's quite truncated. It might be a short story opening, though. I'd still like it better if it started with a person.

The dash is used in a way I get in trouble for, also (though since dashes are the jokers of the punctuation pack, I'm pretty sure you should be allowed to use them anywhere).


Self-published because it's good and gripping but the telling and the punctuation might just mean it isn't conventionally published.

2.

After an afternoon of similar tantrums on my part, someone decided it was time to have cake. My mother seemed to be taking forever in the kitchen, and I went to check on her. I don’t know why I was the one getting the cake instead of the maid, who was far more maternal.

I wondered if I recognised this style... so perhaps I'm cheating slightly. However, even before I thought about that, I wondered if "on my part" could have been sliced, and also about "the maid" being unnamed. I liked the anonymous someone deciding on cake (and I like cake) so I enjoyed it.

Un-published, I suspect.

3.

Presently, a middle-aged man appeared on the screen. His hair and the goatee-style beard that he kept trimmed short were bright white, complementing his fair skin. Behind him, lavish paintings, with equally splendid frames, hung on cream coloured walls, whilst ornaments and a number of fine-looking vases, filled with fresh cut, colourful flowers sat on a table. The man’s surroundings were beautifully decorated, as could be expected of the family home of a wealthy, successful business man.

This is not published (or, it might be self-published). The second sentence makes me cold all over. The "that" leaps out and screams. Also, I'm not convinced white hair would complement fair skin, and the construction ("...complementing his fair skin") felt kind of lazy to me -- which doesn't mean it's not published, but suggests it. I'd have hyphenated "cream coloured", there should be a comma after flowers. I didn't like "whilst".

It's a lot of description between someone appearing and anything happening, and it feels self-indulgent.

Self-published.



5.

Jimmy gave a soft beep, and his light-antennae projected an image onto the wall. John got up, ready to trace it like he had last night, follow the hills and the path along the top of the island that linked two lighthouses with his finger, and then ask Jimmy which part of the map matched where they were.

There were no hills, just a square, flat, featureless plain. He touched the wall, and it moved under his hand. A block raised from the centre of the projection, forming under him as he moved his hand along. What the hell –


That the first two sentences started with names made me twitch a little. I struggled a bit with the second sentence ("linked two lighthouses with his finger"?) but it was just a feeling, and I might be wrong.

Um... un-published?



7

Zama calls. And it’s not even my birthday. Of all of us, Siphokazi is the only one cares enough to try to hold the family together, and naturally, that’s what Zama’s calling about.

“You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?” says my sister, her tone dripping accusation.

“No,” I say, “of course not.” but I have. Who has time to keep track of these things? And it’s morbid, dredging it up year after year. The past only holds you back. It’s like a drift net. The kind you get tangled in and drown.


Despite the missing capital, I'd probably have guessed this was published. I did wonder if the metaphor of the drift net went on a little at the end, but probably only because I'm savagely picking faults. Self-pubbed, possibly, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was published.

Published with an editing miss.

8.

Troublesome hardly described it, but Thren wouldn’t let his son know that. His flight from the mansion was a blur in his memory. The toxin had numbed his arm and made his entire side sting with pain. His neck muscles had fired off at random, and one of his knees kept locking up during his run. He had felt like a cripple as he fled through the alleyways of Veldaren, but thankfully the moon was waning and the streets empty, so none had seen his pathetic stumbling.

I was convinced this was published right up to "pathetic".


So I'll go with er... un-published.


10.

A young paramedic was in the helicopter and he administered sedation.

We crossed into Illyrian airspace in silence, but for the gradually subsiding sobs of Tojo as he settled into selep, and the thrub-thrub-thrub of the helicopter blades.

Claude glanced at me.

“The Reaction was bad in Japan,” he said, gruffly, by way of explanation. “Public beheadings, torture… you know. It reminds him.”

Published, I reckon.
 
1.

Dog Valley was a fine place to raise your children. It was reckoned to be one of the safest – brigands and thieves gave it a wide berth, and there was always enough to pay the taxes when the king’s collectors came calling. Anyone who passed through was made welcome, and traders used to come here first, after the winter snows cleared. Prosperity and safety – all because of the big mountain dogs the villagers had tamed hundreds of years ago. Legend has it Redbeard Hinton wrestled a pack of ‘em, until they were all beat, and they followed him faithfully after that.

Self-published. It's well written but it is very infodump like.

2.

After an afternoon of similar tantrums on my part, someone decided it was time to have cake. My mother seemed to be taking forever in the kitchen, and I went to check on her. I don’t know why I was the one getting the cake instead of the maid, who was far more maternal.

Ugh for no good reason other than I did the others first - published.

3.

Presently, a middle-aged man appeared on the screen. His hair and the goatee-style beard that he kept trimmed short were bright white, complementing his fair skin. Behind him, lavish paintings, with equally splendid frames, hung on cream coloured walls, whilst ornaments and a number of fine-looking vases, filled with fresh cut, colourful flowers sat on a table. The man’s surroundings were beautifully decorated, as could be expected of the family home of a wealthy, successful business man.

If it is a beginning unpublished - it is very description heavy. But then Patricia Cornwell writes a bit like this.

4.

He was a child of the horned moon. That much Corleu's great-gran told him, after, pipe between her last few teeth, she washed the mud out of his old man's hair and stood him between her knees to dry it.

"You have your granda's hair," she said.

"Tell him take it back." A thin, wiry child, brown as dirt otherwise, he stood tensely, still trembling with the indignity of being crowned with mud, tied up with Venn's granny's holey stockings and left in the sun to dry.

Purely because I really like this published but party of me thinks the voice is "untrendy"

5.

Jimmy gave a soft beep, and his light-antennae projected an image onto the wall. John got up, ready to trace it like he had last night, follow the hills and the path along the top of the island that linked two lighthouses with his finger, and then ask Jimmy which part of the map matched where they were.

There were no hills, just a square, flat, featureless plain. He touched the wall, and it moved under his hand. A block raised from the centre of the projection, forming under him as he moved his hand along. What the hell –

Self-published - it is good but lacks polishing

6.

The ringing of the phone jerked me from my sleep. I clawed my eyes open and rolled off my bed. For some reason someone had moved the floor several feet lower than I had expected, and I fell and crashed with a thud.

Ow.

A blond head popped over the side of the bed, and a familiar male voice asked, "Are you okay down there?"

This is quite bland if it is a beginning I would think unpublished.

7

Zama calls. And it’s not even my birthday. Of all of us, Siphokazi is the only one cares enough to try to hold the family together, and naturally, that’s what Zama’s calling about.

“You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?” says my sister, her tone dripping accusation.

“No,” I say, “of course not.” but I have. Who has time to keep track of these things? And it’s morbid, dredging it up year after year. The past only holds you back. It’s like a drift net. The kind you get tangled in and drown.

Self-Published but I'm not sure

8.

Troublesome hardly described it, but Thren wouldn’t let his son know that. His flight from the mansion was a blur in his memory. The toxin had numbed his arm and made his entire side sting with pain. His neck muscles had fired off at random, and one of his knees kept locking up during his run. He had felt like a cripple as he fled through the alleyways of Veldaren, but thankfully the moon was waning and the streets empty, so none had seen his pathetic stumbling.

Too many hads. Unpublished

9.

Loathsome toad of a self-centred, self-satisfied idiot.

She slammed out of the flat, the door juddering in its frame behind her.

“Wait! Ellie!”

“Get to – to Falkirk, Andy.” She stamped down the stairs, aware he was hanging over the banister at the top, watching her go. When she slammed the door to the street the huge clanging crash rang right through her body, wildly satisfying. And then she noticed the sleet.

This has a published feel to it. Again quite a bland voice.


10.

A young paramedic was in the helicopter and he administered sedation.

We crossed into Illyrian airspace in silence, but for the gradually subsiding sobs of Tojo as he settled into selep, and the thrub-thrub-thrub of the helicopter blades.

Claude glanced at me.

“The Reaction was bad in Japan,” he said, gruffly, by way of explanation. “Public beheadings, torture… you know. It reminds him.”

Liked - I feel like I've read something similar so going to guess published.

11.

Angry, Mojag pushed Gaeshi away from him. Then he rolled onto his back and cradled his knee. “You tried to kill me!” he hissed. “Traitor!”

“No! I--”

“You almost choked me to death,” Mojag spat. “I know you don’t like me, but killing me? That’s low! You… you…” He roared out in pain and frustration before starting to cough, his throat raw. He shoved at Gaeshi again when the other man came near and then snatched a waterskin out of his hand when he offered it.

“It’s this place,” Gaeshi said. “I can feel it infecting me…. We need to find Sorrel and get out of here.”

This doesn't read like something that has been edited so Unpublished

12.

I pushed the door open a little and looked out. The corridor was empty. We slipped in and out of shallow pools of light cast by the lamps. Nobody else walked by – most of the monks were in their cells by now.


We reached a corner of the cloister. A bitter breeze drifted between the pillars, carrying a scattering of snowflakes to the floor. Lamps burned along the outer, covered section of the octagon. In the centre, however, darkness reigned. As my eyesight adjusted, I could make out the shrubs which dotted the cloister.

Self published I think.
 
I agree that unpublished and self-published are essentially the same thing, in my mind at least. Which is not to say that a self-published work couldn't be as good as a published one, but more often than not it would be a good guess to say it's not.

I went through them twice, and discovered that I couldn't even agree with myself on almost half! The first time, I started with what I thought was unpublished, and the second time I started with what I thought was published. Seven came out the same, and five changed around.


1.

Dog Valley was a fine place to raise your children. It was reckoned to be one of the safest – brigands and thieves gave it a wide berth, and there was always enough to pay the taxes when the king’s collectors came calling. Anyone who passed through was made welcome, and traders used to come here first, after the winter snows cleared. Prosperity and safety – all because of the big mountain dogs the villagers had tamed hundreds of years ago. Legend has it Redbeard Hinton wrestled a pack of ‘em, until they were all beat, and they followed him faithfully after that.

I have this one as published and self-published, respectively. The "Prosperity" line is not a proper sentence, but I have that sort myself sometimes. It is a lot of telling, but it's making a setting.

2.

After an afternoon of similar tantrums on my part, someone decided it was time to have cake. My mother seemed to be taking forever in the kitchen, and I went to check on her. I don’t know why I was the one getting the cake instead of the maid, who was far more maternal.

I have this one as self-published and published, respectively. I don't think it's a start (I hope not, anyway), with the "similar" in the first sentence, but it's certainly something I would see in some books that I read.

3.

Presently, a middle-aged man appeared on the screen. His hair and the goatee-style beard that he kept trimmed short were bright white, complementing his fair skin. Behind him, lavish paintings, with equally splendid frames, hung on cream coloured walls, whilst ornaments and a number of fine-looking vases, filled with fresh cut, colourful flowers sat on a table. The man’s surroundings were beautifully decorated, as could be expected of the family home of a wealthy, successful business man.

I agree with myself that this one is self-published. It's a lot of flowery description that also manages to be vague: "lavish, splendid, fine-looking, colourful, beautifully decorated" describe without any specificity.

4.

He was a child of the horned moon. That much Corleu's great-gran told him, after, pipe between her last few teeth, she washed the mud out of his old man's hair and stood him between her knees to dry it.

"You have your granda's hair," she said.

"Tell him take it back." A thin, wiry child, brown as dirt otherwise, he stood tensely, still trembling with the indignity of being crowned with mud, tied up with Venn's granny's holey stockings and left in the sun to dry.

I agree with myself that this one is unpublished. The "old man's hair" is confusing, as is "brown as dirt otherwise" (otherwise than what?), and the whole construction just bothers me somehow.

5.

Jimmy gave a soft beep, and his light-antennae projected an image onto the wall. John got up, ready to trace it like he had last night, follow the hills and the path along the top of the island that linked two lighthouses with his finger, and then ask Jimmy which part of the map matched where they were.

There were no hills, just a square, flat, featureless plain. He touched the wall, and it moved under his hand. A block raised from the centre of the projection, forming under him as he moved his hand along. What the hell –

I have this one as published and then self-published. The "linked two lighthouses with his finger" gives me pause, as I have to go back and see that he is following with his finger instead. Otherwise, it seems a serviceable piece that could go either way.

6.

The ringing of the phone jerked me from my sleep. I clawed my eyes open and rolled off my bed. For some reason someone had moved the floor several feet lower than I had expected, and I fell and crashed with a thud.

Ow.

A blond head popped over the side of the bed, and a familiar male voice asked, "Are you okay down there?"

I agree with myself that this one is published. It's an interesting and well-done bit, with nothing that bothers me.

7

Zama calls. And it’s not even my birthday. Of all of us, Siphokazi is the only one cares enough to try to hold the family together, and naturally, that’s what Zama’s calling about.

“You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?” says my sister, her tone dripping accusation.

“No,” I say, “of course not.” but I have. Who has time to keep track of these things? And it’s morbid, dredging it up year after year. The past only holds you back. It’s like a drift net. The kind you get tangled in and drown.

I agree with myself that this one is unpublished. "The only one cares" is jarring, though possibly a regional phrasing, and "but" needs a capital B.

8.

Troublesome hardly described it, but Thren wouldn’t let his son know that. His flight from the mansion was a blur in his memory. The toxin had numbed his arm and made his entire side sting with pain. His neck muscles had fired off at random, and one of his knees kept locking up during his run. He had felt like a cripple as he fled through the alleyways of Veldaren, but thankfully the moon was waning and the streets empty, so none had seen his pathetic stumbling.

I agree with myself that this one is unpublished, as well. Things are a blur in his memory, but then follows all that description of them. The toxin numbs something and makes something else hurt. It's all very blocky.

9.

Loathsome toad of a self-centred, self-satisfied idiot.

She slammed out of the flat, the door juddering in its frame behind her.

“Wait! Ellie!”

“Get to – to Falkirk, Andy.” She stamped down the stairs, aware he was hanging over the banister at the top, watching her go. When she slammed the door to the street the huge clanging crash rang right through her body, wildly satisfying. And then she noticed the sleet.

I agree with myself that this one is published. Nice characterization and scene-setting, nothing that bothers me except "juddering" and that may be a regional thing or poetic license.

10.

A young paramedic was in the helicopter and he administered sedation.

We crossed into Illyrian airspace in silence, but for the gradually subsiding sobs of Tojo as he settled into selep, and the thrub-thrub-thrub of the helicopter blades.

Claude glanced at me.

“The Reaction was bad in Japan,” he said, gruffly, by way of explanation. “Public beheadings, torture… you know. It reminds him.”

I have this one as self-published and unpublished, respectively. "Selep" may be an unintentional typo added in the copying, which sways me one way or the other, depending. I'm really torn on this one and could be wrong entirely. It, like several others, is clearly not the beginning, so it may be better than I gave it.

11.

Angry, Mojag pushed Gaeshi away from him. Then he rolled onto his back and cradled his knee. “You tried to kill me!” he hissed. “Traitor!”

“No! I--”

“You almost choked me to death,” Mojag spat. “I know you don’t like me, but killing me? That’s low! You… you…” He roared out in pain and frustration before starting to cough, his throat raw. He shoved at Gaeshi again when the other man came near and then snatched a waterskin out of his hand when he offered it.

“It’s this place,” Gaeshi said. “I can feel it infecting me…. We need to find Sorrel and get out of here.”

I have this one as unpublished and published, so clearly I'm undecided. I don't like "Angry" at the start, I'm not sure if Mojag is spitting words or actually spitting, and just try to hiss "you tried to kill me" since there are no s's in it. But it has something, regardless, and could actually come from something published.

12.

I pushed the door open a little and looked out. The corridor was empty. We slipped in and out of shallow pools of light cast by the lamps. Nobody else walked by – most of the monks were in their cells by now.


We reached a corner of the cloister. A bitter breeze drifted between the pillars, carrying a scattering of snowflakes to the floor. Lamps burned along the outer, covered section of the octagon. In the centre, however, darkness reigned. As my eyesight adjusted, I could make out the shrubs which dotted the cloister.

I agree with myself that this one is self-published. It doesn't particularly appeal to me, but it's decently written. Of course, appealing to me isn't the overriding criterion for being published, more's the pity, so I could be underestimating it.
 
Yes, selep is my fault. It should be sleep. Darn spellchecker, where were you? Interesting comments, all. No one has got them all yet. I might do a fancy graph in a day or two. :)

Because it's been mentioned a couple of times - number two is the beginning of the book, but not all of them are.

@TDZ i love the discussion with yourself!
 
So, the league tables to date:

Boneman has 60% right, but he knew two of them, so I think 40% (sorry. :))
Harebrain has 50% right (shouldn't have changed one...)
Hex has 56% right
Sci frac has 60% right
Victoria has 50% right
Anya has 20% right
TDZ has 18% right (although this could be subject to a steward's enquiry as it was hard to keep up with how many guesses were in there. :D)


In terms of the extracts (I'll release tomorrow which were which and attribute the pubb'd authors -- it's up to the Chronners if they want to out themselves)

1. 3 of 7 (48%? not my strong point) are right to date
2. 1/7 is right to date
3. 6/7 right to date
4. 2/5 right to date
5. 3/7 right
6. 4/6 right
7. 3/7 right
8. 2/6 right
9. 0/5 right
10. 3/7 right
11 0/7 right
12 0/5 right

So, um, analysis is that the editorial hasn't made that much difference in terms of assessing the quality of a very short excerpt (and I agree with HB that it's about more than just as excerpt). And that SciFrac is the man to get to read your stuff and assess its polish. :)
 
Interesting to see all the different opinions from people. So many of them that I just couldn't tell.

Thank you for the post springs.
 
Is that 56% only the ones I guessed? eeep! Or was it from all of them?

(I didn't answer when I knew or recognised for certain where something was from, though now I've re-read things I'm pretty sure I recognise another two of them!)

Also, although I agree editorial input is not primarily about short excerpts, one could argue that some of these would be significantly improved by a spot of editing (the one about the man and his furniture in particular).
 

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