The Best Science Fiction Books

Kim Stanley Robinson (1993) - Red Mars
Surely some mistake? If not, who is Red Mars?

ROFLMAO

So it's a little backwards.

Arthur C. Clarke recommended the book, but of course he doesn't know anything about science fiction. :D

[FONT=Verdana, Trebuchet MS, Arial, sans serif][FONT=Verdana, Trebuchet MS, Arial, sans serif]Speculative-fiction patriarch Arthur C. Clarke called Red Mars "the best novel on the colonization of Mars that has ever been written... it should be required reading for the colonists of the next century." [/FONT][/FONT]
Red Mars -- book review

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Kim Stanley Robinson (1993) - Red Mars
Surely some mistake? If not, who is Red Mars?

Yeah, I mentioned fixing that mistake from the original in an earlier post but apparently I didn't. I don't know how that got de-corrected.

Red Mars is actually a pretty cool name for a person but "Kim Stanley Robinson" is a really dull name for a book. Though I never noticed until now how rhythmically similar it is to "Swiss Fam'ly Robinson". :)
 
Which is itself close to Space Family Robinson, the original comic book capers that became Lost in Space.., and we're full circle to mucking around on other planets :)
 
I was shocked to see only one Philip K Dick on the list - and that the one that was famously Blade Runner, but in literary terms he could write rings around, say, Asimov who has several entries. Asimov was a trail blazer, but not a very good writer. Dick was comparatively obscure, but a deeeep thinker and a damned good writer.
 
I was shocked to see only one Philip K Dick on the list ..., but in literary terms he could write rings around, say, Asimov

Is science fiction about "writing"?
Towards an Aesthetic of Science Fiction

http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/6/russ6art.htm

Science fiction literature is writing but it is not about writing. I mostly found Dick either shallow or boring. But this has turned into a turf war where the literary people expect to tell SF everyone what "good" science fiction is. Like Neuromancer is good SF. :D I managed to finish it the first time in the 80s before it became well known. And didn't think that much of it. I tried reading it later after there was so much talk about it and could never finish it.

"The Two Faces of Tomorrow" by James P. Hogan totally blows it away.

Science is irrelevant to what is called science fiction these days. But now that science has made great effects possible on video now SF is popular among the mundanes. There is lots of money in it. Gibson called it the "Golden Ghetto" in the early 90s.

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Just had a silly idea. We need 24 different science fiction lists. But we need 24 different types of science fiction readers to create each list. So how do we classify the readers?

We need to select 4 very different stories. Preferably short stories and preferably in the public domain. Then the readers have to sort the stories from most liked to least liked. There are 24 different sequences that 4 books can be put. So that will determine what category each reader is in. Then people in each category creates a list.

So presumably there would be some hard core hard SF group and the would create a list different from the Star Wars lovers group, etc., etc.

Yeah, I know, it'll never happen.

But I wonder, which 4 stories?

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I just finished Margaret Atwood's trilogy starting with Oryx and Crake (listed above), The Year of the Flood, and MaddAddam. The future Atwood describes is both scary and somewhat believable, based on bioterrorism fears we already have. Of the three books, I liked The Year of the Flood best, probably because of the way the God's Gardeners returned to agriculture to be come self-sustaining. Probably my experience living off the grid had an influence on that. Of course, I also enjoy reading other Canadian authors. - Wayne
 
Asimov was a trail blazer, but not a very good writer. Dick was comparatively obscure, but a deeeep thinker and a damned good writer.

This is an interesting statement. What does the reader want? Who decides what good writing is?

For me PKD does not come close to Asimov.

Suppose we make a less famous comparison. Mack Reynolds and Andre Norton. I have told people that Mack Reynolds' characters have so much cardboard you can smell the glue. I think Andre Norton is a better writer. But given a choice between a Reynolds' story I haven't read and a Norton story I would take one by Mack Reynolds.

His stories have more interesting ideas. Norton's characters may be better but they hardly do anything that I give a damn about. Star Man's Son is as good as her stories ever got.

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It's going off-topic but that's one of the things about PKD that's always puzzled me. Because he writes humanities-based SF about philosophical issues of reality that academics can wrap their heads around and write papers on, he's very popular with them. Makes perfect sense to me. But he wrote zillions of words of amphetamine-driven copy to pay the bills and was not a good writer on a word/line basis. His overall conceptual structures were amazing and his prose served to get them across without too much obstruction but it's hardly beautiful on the one hand, or translucent on the other. So that's one thing I'd say, regardless of any comments on any other author. But, when it comes to Asimov, while he was definitely not a sesquipedalian poet, his objective was to write clearly and concisely and he accomplished it perfectly. If you define someone like Vance or Zelazny as "good" and people who deviate from that in any way as "bad", then a lot of people are bad, including Asimov (and Dick). But if your definition of types of excellence include a tone suited to subject, an aim hit, a style that puts story front and author back, or a harmonious elegance, then Asimov was great.

Similarly, though less often argued one way or the other, if characterization is taken as an element of the good writing, then Dick usually had the somewhat put-upon almost-loser character and the shrewish, problematic, yet somehow attractive-to-the-protagonist female character (much like Rucker's women), and the Manipulator Secret Master Whatever character and so on. I don't especially recall any character's name (beyond Deckard, for extra-literary reasons). Again, this goes without any comparisons. But, while they might not have Dostoeskian depths (to borrow Poul Anderson's example phrase), Susan Calvin, Lije Baley, Daneel Olivaw, and others are unforgettable Asimovian characters. And Susan Calvin, Jezebel Baley, and Arkady Darell are three female characters who are all interesting, believable and nothing alike. (I'm not saying all Dick's female characters were alike, but that there is a definite predominant archetype for most of them and not a readily identifiable one for Asimov's.) So, again, I'd give the laurel to Asimov.

It's just a commonplace to describe Asimov as "plain prose, poor characterization" and Asimov did nothing to combat this, cheerfully arguing the primacy of "idea" over "character" and having no pretensions to being a "stylist". But that didn't prevent him from having style or developing characters. And having great ideas and telling great stories.
 
Very well said, J-Sun, saved me saying it (less well). I think Asimov is not well appraised on the whole and he deserves far better appreciation for his writing. He knew he wrote in a simple clear style, but as once remarked... "try writing this simply, you'll find its not so easy!".
 

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