Dunneroo
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After doing a re-read of the books, the one thing really bothering me is who is Septa Lemore?
Tyrion's POV gives us some clues such as him thinking she has dark brown hair. She also appears to have stretch marks on her belly that could only come from childbirth.
My first thought is Ashara Dayne. The Darkstar is said to have the dark features, and from what we know Ashara committed suicide by jumping out of a tower into the sea, which would make the body hard to identify, if found at all.
I do find it interesting in Ned Stark's conversation with Cersei in book 1, on how she implies Ned stole Ashara's child.
"How dare you play the noble lord with me! What do you take me for? You’ve a ******* of your own, I’ve seen him. Who was the mother, I wonder? Some Dornish peasant you raped while her holdfast burned? A whore? Or was it the grieving sister, the Lady Ashara? She threw herself into the sea, I’m told. Why was that? For the brother you slew, or the child you stole?" - Cersei
One other connection, Septa Lemore seems to enjoy swimming....and Ashara dies by jumping into a sea? Hrmmm...
So the dark features and the fact she had a child matched up, but the real question is, why would she go into hiding/exile after Robert's Rebellion?
Robert was known to pardon Lords that rivaled him, so what did Ashara have to be worried about? The only thing that I can think of is, she had the child from either the Mad King or Rhaegar.
This could also mean that Jon Snow's mother was Ashara Dayne. I know the majority of fans consider R+L=J to be true, but I feel like GRRM is either hinting at something here or using this as mis-direction.
After further research I've found this from Catelyn:
That cut deep. Ned would not speak of the mother, not so much as a word, but a castle has no secrets, and Catelyn heard her maids repeating tales they heard from the lips of her husband’s soldiers. They whispered of Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys’s Kingsguard, and of how their young lord had slain him in single combat. And they told how afterward Ned had carried Ser Arthur’s sword back to the beautiful young sister who awaited him in a castle called Starfall on the shores of the Summer Sea. The Lady Ashara Dayne, tall and fair, with haunting violet eyes. It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face.
That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know. And now I will learn where you heard that name, my lady.” She had pledged to obey; she told him; and from that day on, the whispering had stopped, and Ashara Dayne’s name was never heard in Winterfell again.
Ned confirms Jon is of Stark blood, but that doesn't make sense because we ALL know Ned is not the father right?
Well how about this from Bran's POV:
...The crannogman saw a maid with laughing purple eyes dance with a white sword, a red snake, and the lord of griffins, and lastly with the quiet wolf . . . but only after the wild wolf spoke to her on behalf of a brother too shy to leave his bench.
...The quiet wolf offered the little crannogman a place in his tent that night....
So we know the crannogman is HW, the wild wolf is Brandon Stark and the quiet wolf is Ned. What if Brandon the Wild Stark hooked up with Ashara? B+A=J anyone? Think about it, if the brother of your baby daddy came and stole your kid, wouldn't you be pissed off and support Aegon who has a better claim to the throne than Robert? This exile could be vengeance against Ned through Aegon vs Robert.
Anyways I am snowballing out of control and would like to hear other thoughts on who is Septa Lemore and her connections.
Tyrion's POV gives us some clues such as him thinking she has dark brown hair. She also appears to have stretch marks on her belly that could only come from childbirth.
My first thought is Ashara Dayne. The Darkstar is said to have the dark features, and from what we know Ashara committed suicide by jumping out of a tower into the sea, which would make the body hard to identify, if found at all.
I do find it interesting in Ned Stark's conversation with Cersei in book 1, on how she implies Ned stole Ashara's child.
"How dare you play the noble lord with me! What do you take me for? You’ve a ******* of your own, I’ve seen him. Who was the mother, I wonder? Some Dornish peasant you raped while her holdfast burned? A whore? Or was it the grieving sister, the Lady Ashara? She threw herself into the sea, I’m told. Why was that? For the brother you slew, or the child you stole?" - Cersei
One other connection, Septa Lemore seems to enjoy swimming....and Ashara dies by jumping into a sea? Hrmmm...
So the dark features and the fact she had a child matched up, but the real question is, why would she go into hiding/exile after Robert's Rebellion?
Robert was known to pardon Lords that rivaled him, so what did Ashara have to be worried about? The only thing that I can think of is, she had the child from either the Mad King or Rhaegar.
This could also mean that Jon Snow's mother was Ashara Dayne. I know the majority of fans consider R+L=J to be true, but I feel like GRRM is either hinting at something here or using this as mis-direction.
After further research I've found this from Catelyn:
That cut deep. Ned would not speak of the mother, not so much as a word, but a castle has no secrets, and Catelyn heard her maids repeating tales they heard from the lips of her husband’s soldiers. They whispered of Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys’s Kingsguard, and of how their young lord had slain him in single combat. And they told how afterward Ned had carried Ser Arthur’s sword back to the beautiful young sister who awaited him in a castle called Starfall on the shores of the Summer Sea. The Lady Ashara Dayne, tall and fair, with haunting violet eyes. It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face.
That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. “Never ask me about Jon,” he said, cold as ice. “He is my blood, and that is all you need to know. And now I will learn where you heard that name, my lady.” She had pledged to obey; she told him; and from that day on, the whispering had stopped, and Ashara Dayne’s name was never heard in Winterfell again.
Ned confirms Jon is of Stark blood, but that doesn't make sense because we ALL know Ned is not the father right?
Well how about this from Bran's POV:
...The crannogman saw a maid with laughing purple eyes dance with a white sword, a red snake, and the lord of griffins, and lastly with the quiet wolf . . . but only after the wild wolf spoke to her on behalf of a brother too shy to leave his bench.
...The quiet wolf offered the little crannogman a place in his tent that night....
So we know the crannogman is HW, the wild wolf is Brandon Stark and the quiet wolf is Ned. What if Brandon the Wild Stark hooked up with Ashara? B+A=J anyone? Think about it, if the brother of your baby daddy came and stole your kid, wouldn't you be pissed off and support Aegon who has a better claim to the throne than Robert? This exile could be vengeance against Ned through Aegon vs Robert.
Anyways I am snowballing out of control and would like to hear other thoughts on who is Septa Lemore and her connections.
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