Crackpot theory: Sansa

[Tywin]

In our history, it would be simpler, just declare her to be a witch and capital punishment could solve the whole thing.

That's always an open option in ASOIAF.

 

[Eulalia]

True. Sansa could be charged with adultery, whether or not she is guilty, witchcraft (vanishing, using disguises, making snow voodoo dolls and magic embroidery, having had a familiar, being sexually attractive, controlling Lord Robert), poisoning, not praying to R'hllor, and being a Stark with a claim to Winterfell. I've never seen her as quite an Anne Boleyn character, but why not? Innocence had nothing to do with the charges.

I do think that if she is in danger, there are lots of potential rescuers for her. Jaime or Sandor (and I suppose Dany, Brienne, Tyrion, Jon, or Arya) could ride in, Lancelot style. GRRM could blow up the Arthurian legends. There now, it doesn't get any more crackpot than that!

 

[joshrackley]

A marriage that's unconsummated, and a husband who has been found guilty (the result of a trial by combat) of patricide. I can see how Sansa's relationship options are limited.




Besides, Littlefinger is on the case, so a solution looks inevitable.

Added to that is the fact that Sansa will most likely be charged as a conspirator in Tyrion's "regicide" if she reveals her identity while the Lannisters have even the slightest bit of power. Littlefinger must realize this so I wonder how he will deflect that inevitability?

 

[Tywin]

Added to that is the fact that Sansa will most likely be charged as a conspirator in Tyrion's "regicide" if she reveals her identity while the Lannisters have even the slightest bit of power. Littlefinger must realize this so I wonder how he will deflect that inevitability?

The most likely plot arc that the story is traveling down would lead to Dany conquering Westeros with Tyrion at her side. This will likely annul the power of any Lannisters over about 4' tall.

 

[Boaz]

Joffreycide! Is that really a crime?

It almost sounds like the hippest drink in metropolitan America. The Joffreycide is a lemon flavored vodka press with a drop of grenadine and a cherry on top. It'll make you feel like a king... but you have to chase it with a warm jaeger, gin, and absinthe boilermaker with bitters and vermouth. You'll want to vomit, but your throat will be so constricted you can't. The next day you'll feel like your tongue was pulled out with hot pincers, your friend's face will look burned, and you'll cry for mommy.

So Baelish knows Sansa is labeled as a coconspirator (should that be hyphenated?). He has to get around this obstacle... What was the deal with the tapestries he asked of Cersei? I do remember that was mentioned in a Small Council meeting. Was that just a ploy by Littlefinger to make them think he's frivolous and not a serious threat or is there something important revealed on these tapestries?

Also, as the owner of brothels, who has better access to women who can pose as whores while spying on their lover? No one more so than Littlefinger. And who was the key witness who linked Sansa to the Joffreycide? Shae. If she worked for Littlefinger before or during her stint as Tyrion's lover, then he might have all the evidence he needs to discredit her testimony.

Why am I still awake? I have to work in the morning. I don't want to feel like I actually drank a Joffreycide.

 

[Tywin]

Also, as the owner of brothels, who has better access to women who can pose as whores while spying on their lover? No one more so than Littlefinger. And who was the key witness who linked Sansa to the Joffreycide? Shae. If she worked for Littlefinger before or during her stint as Tyrion's lover, then he might have all the evidence he needs to discredit her testimony.

Have we delved into the possibility that Shae was in the employ of Baelish the entire time?

 

[Boaz]

No, this is the first for me. I've always said she was in Tywin's employ.

 

[Reivax26]

To be perfectly honest I don't really care what happens to her. Sansa and Arya are my leave favorite characters. Its a shame because I really liked Ned and I think Jon is one of the best characters in the novels but I can't stand the daughters at all.

 

[Eulalia]

I think it's pretty obvious that GRRM reads history. The reality is that girls and women in that age had very few options regardless of their character or likeability. Sansa's plight is the essence of what would have happened. If anything she has fought her role more than usual practices. Arya is the opposite side of the coin, but is an extreme fiction.

So Sansa gets her way sometimes or saves her own life by manipulation, role playing, lying or disguise. The truth of those times is she would have been forced to marry whomever she was bidden to, certainly shamed for any impropriety, indoctrinated to feel inferior, impoverished at will, could have been beaten or raped by her husband at will, charged with witchcraft or poisoning as a catchall, and even shut away or executed for that, charged with adultery and executed even if it were not true.

GRRM does a good job of presenting a character, a fairly normal, politically naive preteen, who is psychologically and physically abused until she becomes even more passive and secretive to save herself (check out Elizabeth of York sometime). It isn't, perhaps, the most fun in a heroic sense, to read, as yet. Where GRRM takes this is interesting, to me anyway. Will he stick with the mores of the era and have her married and then produce children till she dies in child birth? Will she learn the Game of Thrones and best the best (since this is a fantasy)?

 

[juleska]

So I haven't been here for awhile and decided to check in after seeing the first episode of Season 4 last night (it airs a week behind in the Philippines where I am). This discussion has intrigued me. All of you talking about the three heads of the dragon are listing people who aren't named Jon Snow. Has some theory developed in my absence that lends more certainty to the idea that Jon really is dead?

 

[Tywin]

So I haven't been here for awhile and decided to check in after seeing the first episode of Season 4 last night (it airs a week behind in the Philippines where I am). This discussion has intrigued me. All of you talking about the three heads of the dragon are listing people who aren't named Jon Snow. Has some theory developed in my absence that lends more certainty to the idea that Jon really is dead?

I don't think so.

Just mainly boredom on our parts I think. In between books and seasons, we end up delving into all kinds of rabbit holes.

 

[juleska]

Excellent. I shall carry on with my stubborn belief that Jon is alive and well, then.

 

[LilyDraken]

GRRM does a good job of presenting a character, a fairly normal, politically naive preteen, who is psychologically and physically abused until she becomes even more passive and secretive to save herself (check out Elizabeth of York sometime). It isn't, perhaps, the most fun in a heroic sense, to read, as yet. Where GRRM takes this is interesting, to me anyway. Will he stick with the mores of the era and have her married and then produce children till she dies in child birth? Will she learn the Game of Thrones and best the best (since this is a fantasy)?

Elizabeth of York is exactly who I was going to mention for the Sansa inspiration. While not exact, the parallels are quite close.

 

[Narkalui]

I do like the idea of Aegon marrying Sansa. A Targaryen needs to be put back on the throne... atleast in this world the the Plantagenet allegories can win!

Sorry, I'd not read this thread before and I realise this comment is over a year old but I couldn't let it go.

In this world there is no House of Wessex allegory! Why!?

 

[Koopa]

Saxe-Coburg & Gotha is where it's at it. Not that Belgium itself existed under that particalur name in medieval times or belonged to that family during the Middle Ages. Or that i actually care all that much about our royal family. They're just entertainment for the most part tbh. Still the County of Flanders was nothing to scoff at qua economic value. Not to mention we've been called the battlefield of Europe... Please don't tell me we're Riverrun... cause i don't want to be represented by trout. Our sigil has lions i tell ya, even if our military power is/has become non-existant.

 

[Narkalui]

Koopa, I had no idea you were Belgian! The last time I was abroad I stopped in Antwerp for a couple of nights. Beautiful town, and most wonderful beer!

 

[Reivax26]

What are the chances that Melisandrae is the girl that Tyrion married that vanished? This idea hit me the other day at work and it started clicking in my head. It would explain her backing of Stannis and her being more than willing to help him kill the Lannisters that she would despise.

Thoughts?

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

What are the chances that Melisandrae is the girl that Tyrion married that vanished? This idea hit me the other day at work and it started clicking in my head. It would explain her backing of Stannis and her being more than willing to help him kill the Lannisters that she would despise.

Thoughts?

Likely none to definitely none. xD

Before she became Melisandre, she was a slave girl named Melony. We know for certain that Melisandre is a redhead while Tysha was dark-haired. Melisandre also implied she is much, much older than she appears but Tysha is hardly a year older than Tyrion.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Likely none to definitely none. xD

Before she became Melisandre, she was a slave girl named Melony. We know for certain that Melisandre is a redhead while Tysha was dark-haired. Melisandre also implied she is much, much older than she appears but Tysha is hardly a year older than Tyrion.

All of this.

A really popular theory is that Tysha is the Sailor's Wife in Bravos. the whore who will only sleep with men she has "married". it would also seem that she and Tyrion have a daughter together.

 

[Koopa]

Yes, pretty sure Lanna is Tyrion's daughter, and that the Sailor's Wife was Tyrion's first wife. I wonder if he'll ever find out his daughter and wife have become prostitutes. Wonder what he'll think about that. That or she's Gerion lost lover.