The Shaming of Adults who are YA Readers/Fans

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”


― C.S. Lewis

Sums it up for me.

YA is a hit and miss market sector to me - some books are clearly more written and aimed at younger teenagers - where language choice and plot development can feel forced or overly simplistic to a more matured reader. At the same time those aimed at the slightly older young adults can be just as every bit as good as regular fantasy/sci-fi books (I can't call them adult as that has different associations).
 
I agree. That quotation sums it up very nicely indeed.

It seems to me that I had seen it somewhere before, but forgotten all about it. So thank you, Overread, for posting it.
 
I could understand that for Middle Grade books, but surely YA readers mostly choose their own books, don't they?

Yes, which is why I said that it's as useful as movie ratings. Good as a general guideline but in practice, kids sneak in to watch anything they want anyway.

I was reading Anne Rice's Vampire Lestat series at ages 15 - 17. If my mother knew what was in them, she'd confiscate them and quite cheerfully set them on fire after lecturing me about reading sex scenes. :D
 
I read a lot of YA novels. They are usually not complicated and have great characters. What they tend to leave out is a lot of swearing, sex and violence. I can deal with that. Most of them are quick reads as well. I'm not saying that they are children's books because they are not. If it wasn't for City Of Bones I would not have read over 30 books last year.
 
I'm not sure exactly when they started labelling age ranges on books for children. I'm pretty sure that it only happened after it stopped being relevant to me (after I'd been an adult for a decade or two) and that's why I didn't really notice it.
At times I have read books that are listed as "Young Adult" or "Children's" since I was too old for the stated audience. Some of them are down to a reading group, others because this was the big thing at the time (I did read the Harry Potter series). They're the sort of thing that you read when you don't want to try too hard. There aren't any real surprises in there or things that you didn't catch the first time through. There's always the issue of a lack of functional adult characters. They tend to the stereotype - either good or bad or one pretending to be the other although you can see the real thing through the cracks.
Of course, there are good ones and bad ones and ones that belong to the younger children rather than the older but no particular shame in having read the stuff. I'd feel more ashamed of having read Asimov or Heinlein than most of the children's books I've read.
 
I felt that what she was concerned with was specifically 'literary' fiction and a tendency for adults, should they decide to read such 'literary' fiction, to opt for the YA variety, presumably because it is a little easier to read and little more accessible (does that mean the same thing?).

I don't know if that is actually the case, nor am I sure it's necessarily a bad thing; I've always been a little wary of any art that only pompous cognoscenti seem capable of appreciating. (Please don't flame me for that; I'm not saying all non-YA 'literary' books fall into that category).
 
I don't really care for most YA myself, though I do shamelessly cite Alice in Wonderland as being one of my favorites. I don't agree with this article here, either. Nobody should be ashamed of liking what they like, and not only in media, either. It is just another example of being told that we should all think and behave the same way. No. Just plain no.


I am rather like Mouse otherwise, though I am able to usually have the patience to sit through dull periods of stories. I'm actually not one for too much fast pace action throughout, to be honest. I prefer such to be provided in little bursts, peppered throughout just enough to keep a person awake. I'm more interested in character interaction and insight, really.
 
This is the second time recently I've encountered someone who felt the need to express their desire to read only literary fiction. Because of this I tried to get some grasp of what literary fiction should be and the best I could come up with is this:

Literary fiction is fiction that is Stylistically Lyrical and layered though its tone is often dark and serious it tends be a slower pace that plods along meandering where ever the style might take it and generally containing little if any focus on plot with a more in-depth study of the characters and their inner motives.

So its slow moving, meandering character studies that dip into the dark and serious nature using the beauty of a near to purple prose to dazzle the reader.

John Updike apparently had issues with this classification for his work and I can see why.
 
A lot of the time sub-classifications generally boil down to people trying to say that they like X group and want to group that together, whilst at the same time excluding Y group from that. It can lead to ever more contrived or complicated subclassifications. For example Twilight is young adult -but any might try to push it into romance or vampires only to get it "out of my young adult" grouping; because they don't like it.

My view is such classifications should only ever be a rough guide to what a book might be themed like, written style or content and beyond that people should read whatever they wish no matter its sub-classification.
 
I don't like to be pigeon holed into one classification of reading. If I find it interesting I will read it. That in itself is a good thing. You would think that in this day getting people to use their imaginations rather than sitting in front of a computer playing games all day or watching TV for 10 hours is a good thing. No matter what age you are.
 
I don't care what people think of adults reading YA. If the story is good, the writing is decent and you made me live in that world, then I will read your books. Whether it's Hunger Games, Harry Potter or Pittacus Lore, I like them so I will read them.
 
I see so much mention of The Fault in Our Stars in that article that I'm minded to think that it's a guerilla promotion for it - even though it's already a successful novel. No mention of Harry Potter or Hunger Games?


Coming to all this late, but... from what I know of the Greens, this seems out of character. Both John and his brother Hank seem to be interested both in their love of literature and science, and in promoting education in both fields a great deal more than in promoting sales.
 
Some of you might have come across this inflammatory article:

Against YA in Slate e-zine.

What do you think?

/Tiny rant begins/

As a grown woman - with a degree in English Literature - who is on a YA reading streak and who finds that there are bunches upon bunches of great stories happening in YA books*, and as someone who tutors children to help them improve their English, I find that writer's opinion absolute anathema because a great story is a great story, no matter what age the story is purportedly written for. I'd rather read some beautifully written and engagingly plotted YA instead of some overrated literary stuff or badly written potboilers for adults.

/Tiny rant ends/

*I'm not going to call it a "genre", neither am I going to call the article "genre shaming" as some do because YA spans a wide range of genres and is more like a age-appropriate rating akin to G or PG-13 for movies.

I began the article... but could only stomach the first two paragraphs. Sorry, but this is a load of bilge. Any damned type of fiction is fine for either "young adults" or adults to read, as long as it doesn't contain material which is "inappropriate" to a very young age (e.g., pornographic or erotic content; extreme violence, etc.). If something is a good story, written well, then there is absolutely no reason why an adult should feel in the least embarrassed or ashamed for reading and enjoying it. Tolkien pointed out the fallacies in this sort of thing decades ago, in his essay "On Fairy-Stories"; and it holds true for all other genres of writing (fiction or non) as well.

As for John Green's book... a young woman of my acquaintance, with whom I've had many a great conversation about literary matters, has just loaned me her copy. I've only got into the first chapter, but my impression is simply... well, I've tried various currently "hot" writers, best-sellers, etc., and generally not been all that impressed. But, even within the opening chapter of this one, I've been very impressed with John Green's abilities on a number of levels. Not only has he done something which a relatively few male writers have done (presenting admirably, with no sentimentality and in a quite realistic fashion, a living, breathing exemplar of a mid-to-late teen female character), but his prose is extremely good, walking a fine line between the humorous and tragic, combining the "light" tone of someone far too used to dealing with the fact of dying and therefore prone to express themselves with that humorous distance, yet with all the underlying pain coming through loud and clear, but without either ceremony or self-pity, and at the same time managing to frequently verge on the poetic in imagery and phrasing... not the flowery poetic, but the genuine heart of poetry, which is the expression in beautiful but simple language of the conflicts of the human spirit and its reaction to the world around it.

A good example of this balance I speak of is her brief comment about a boy she has met in her "therapy group" (she herself is terminal) and who intrigues her, who has lost a limb: "He walked past me, his shoulders filling out his green knit polo shirt, his back straight, his steps lilting just slightly to the right as he walked steady and confident on what I had determined was a prosthetic leg. Osteosarcoma sometimes takes a limb to check you out. Then, if it likes you, it takes the rest."

Quiet, no sensationalism, no sentimentality. Just that edge of semi-self-deprecating humor, and the gut blow of exactly what we're talking about here, and how casually these kids have become in accepting it.

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks someone should feel any shame or guilt or embarrassment about reading something written with the skill this man exhibits, are themselves exhibiting a type of bigotry and arrogance any intelligent reader should be ashamed to make public....
 
If you will excuse an ad hominem argument, it should be pointed out that Ruth Graham would probably be an unknown housewife peddling her pap on her own website if she hadn't married Billy Graham.


What we have here is another low talent, high profile jerkwad ranting at the public because they prefer works that make sense and aren't depressing to the "literary" masterpieces that are only read because they're assigned by college English teachers.


Read the first reply after the article, which lists about 20 major works of unquestioned "literary" significance which are also clearly YA. The "fashion" Graham finds for adults reading this immature YA stuff apparently goes all the way back to 1962 when "To Kill A Mockingbird" was published.


There are no genres. Good books are good books.
 
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I don't have a problem with adults reading YA.

The problem I have is when said adults start harping on about how original Harry Potter is and how well written it is etc. etc.

No it isn't.

We all have our guilty pleasures. Mine is Avril Lavigne, but I'm not going to start telling everyone what a great and original artist she is.

She isn't.
 
First of all, there is unbelievable irony in this being written by Ruth Graham. Her husband and her were the theological equivalent of YA.

But more to the point, let me just list a few of my 'issues' with the article. And this is coming from someone that rarely reads YA (the one notable exception was the Lemony Snicket series, because they were freaking awesome - and actually may qualify as children's, not YA).


  • She does not mention genre whatsoever and seems to be only targeting romantic YA. The article should thus be entitled something along the lines of "Simplistic Romance Made For Teens Annoys Me Because It Is Made For Teens: How To Write With Tautologies"
  • She merely assumes that certain types of enjoyment (namely, a very specific sort of emotional enjoyment she assumes adult readers are receiving from YA) are inherently improper for adults, but does not give an argument as to why that emotional investment is improper. It simply 'is' because they are no longer teenagers. Should I stop enjoying music because I am no longer a teenager? Every romantic comedy film ever made? Adam Sandler films? (hush)
  • The prior assumption disregards every other possible reason for reading YA. Setting, prose, or, ya know, story.
  • She never makes an argument as to why enjoyment is not reason enough to read something.
  • She seems to assume that ambiguity in literature is somehow desirable in and of itself, but does not support that notion.
  • This list could go on forever with the use of phrases like "does not back up," "does not support," "provides no argument," "is a pompous little . . ."

The deeper annoyance with this article is that it could have been written in support of certain themes, characters, settings, and other elements found in non-YA which could have resonated with readers like myself that typically do not enjoy YA. Instead, it was a meaningless and unsupported attack on YA for no apparent reason other than the fact that she apparently does not like concrete endings to romance narratives.
 
We all have our guilty pleasures. Mine is Avril Lavigne, but I'm not going to start telling everyone what a great and original artist she is.

There is no reason to attach guilt to them. On the contrary, if you filled your life with things purely based on avoiding social guilt, then you might have a reason to feel guilt for partaking in something. You enjoying Lavigne's music means that music is great to you - there is no universal law of musical greatness you are violating by listening to her and anyone who says otherwise can shove it.


Sorry for the pep talk, but the phrase "guilty pleasures" annoys the ever-loving crap out of me. People should not feel guilty for enjoying something like music, books, films, or other similar things.
 
I enjoy reading ya books from time to time.
I think there is nothing wrong with an adult reading ya books.
 
I'm reasonably sure it's a different Ruth Graham to the one that was married to Billy Graham. 1) The writing styles are completely different, 2) The article was published in 2014 and Ruth Graham (wife of Billy) died in 2007. It's not their daughter, also called Ruth, either. It's this Ruth Graham - http://publicroad.wordpress.com/
 

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