A Rediscovery of Clifford D. Simak - A Reading Challenge

Impressive listing Ralf!

This really goes to show how each of us experiences the books differently, with of course a fairly general agreement re Empire (I wonder if this will prompt a posting from someone saying how much they like Empire: I hope so).
There's a reason so many dislike EMPIRE -- Cliff hated it, too -- I put the story into my intro to Collection 10; but just to avoid being accused of being a "tease," here's a short version: the story was originally written by John W. Campbell, Jr. when he was a teen.
Eventually, JWC because editor of ASTOUNDING, and Cliff quickly became one of his favorite writers -- and so one day he hauled his old ms. out and asked Cliff to rewrite it -- to make it publishable.
Cliff did not want to do it -- he said the story made him "gag;" but he felt obliged to help JWC.
When he'd worked it over, he said, it was better, but it was still pretty bad.
JWC agreed, refusing to put it into his magazine.
Cliff just set the story aside, rather thankful it would never see the light of day...
But then, one day about ten years later, Horace Gold called Cliff, saying he desperately needed a "novel" (they were shorter in those days) for the next of his series of Galaxy Novels (I'll assume you know what those were....).
Cliff agonized, but finally decided to let Horace see it.
Horace was indeed desperate -- he took it. Cliff offered to have it published under Campbell's name, but the latter refused. So it went out as a Simak novel.
Cliff never read it in the Galaxy Novel format -- nor in any other format. He refused, while he was alive, to authorize any reprints -- he even refused to renew its copyright.
 
I rate "A Choice of Gods" highly.

I also enjoy very much the later works that edge into fantasy, whereas usually I struggle with fantasy.
I'm not sure this is why you have that reaction to Cliff's "fantasy," but think about this: to me, those books are not really fantasy -- if you read them carefully, you'll find that they are stories set in alternate world-lines... (Cliff was big on alternate worlds, all the way back to RING AROUND THE SUN...)
Cliff wrote the "fantasies" because Lester Del Rey, during the boom in fantasy, asked him to write some fantasy. Cliff told Lester he would not write anything in a Tolkien style, but Lester said he'd take whatever he could get. (I've often wondered if Cliff laughed quietly to himself as he wrote science fiction stories that just looked a lot like fantasies...)
 
I'm not sure this is why you have that reaction to Cliff's "fantasy," but think about this: to me, those books are not really fantasy -- if you read them carefully, you'll find that they are stories set in alternate world-lines... (Cliff was big on alternate worlds, all the way back to RING AROUND THE SUN...)
Cliff wrote the "fantasies" because Lester Del Rey, during the boom in fantasy, asked him to write some fantasy. Cliff told Lester he would not write anything in a Tolkien style, but Lester said he'd take whatever he could get. (I've often wondered if Cliff laughed quietly to himself as he wrote science fiction stories that just looked a lot like fantasies...)

I hadn't realised that Lester Del Rey had in a way prompted these books.

I've read very little Del Rey though I intend to read more (eventually) because one of his stories "Return Engagement" (7th Galaxy Reader), set in the farmlands of Minnesota, could almost have been written by Cliff. I'm sure I read somewhere that Lester very much admired Cliff.

I'm happy to acknowledge that these books that "edge into fantasy" are science fiction alternate world lines....but I still think of them as edging into fantasy, whatever the rationale. For me it's a bit of a technicality, like wondering which end of a boiled egg is the right one to tuck into, or whether the Norwegian Blue parrot is dead or is just pining for the fjords. The important thing for me is that I enjoy them.
 
I hadn't realised that Lester Del Rey had in a way prompted these books.

I've read very little Del Rey though I intend to read more (eventually) because one of his stories "Return Engagement" (7th Galaxy Reader), set in the farmlands of Minnesota, could almost have been written by Cliff. I'm sure I read somewhere that Lester very much admired Cliff.

I'm happy to acknowledge that these books that "edge into fantasy" are science fiction alternate world lines....but I still think of them as edging into fantasy, whatever the rationale. For me it's a bit of a technicality, like wondering which end of a boiled egg is the right one to tuck into, or whether the Norwegian Blue parrot is dead or is just pining for the fjords. The important thing for me is that I enjoy them.
fjords, for sure!

Well, not only was Lester a fan and friend of Cliff's, but in the days of which I was speaking, he was Cliff's editor at Ballantine Books, which was the Simak publisher...
Lester had some past associations with Minnesota, I believe he spent part of his youth in southern Minnesota. But another factor may have been the fact that one of the biggest chains of bookstores in the U.S. at that time -- B Dalton -- was headquartered here; so for a while we had publishing people flying in frequently to liaise with the distributors... Cliff often went out to dinner when that kind of thing happened.
 
I hadn't realised that Lester Del Rey had in a way prompted these books.

I've read very little Del Rey though I intend to read more (eventually) because one of his stories "Return Engagement" (7th Galaxy Reader), set in the farmlands of Minnesota, could almost have been written by Cliff. I'm sure I read somewhere that Lester very much admired Cliff.

I'm happy to acknowledge that these books that "edge into fantasy" are science fiction alternate world lines....but I still think of them as edging into fantasy, whatever the rationale. For me it's a bit of a technicality, like wondering which end of a boiled egg is the right one to tuck into, or whether the Norwegian Blue parrot is dead or is just pining for the fjords. The important thing for me is that I enjoy them.

Ive read one book by Lester Del Rey , Day of the Giants. It wasn't great literature , but it was a very entertaining book. The edition I had was put out by Aimont books. The cover on that edition of the book is hilarious because it in no way relates to the actual story of the novel. :D
 
Ive read one book by Lester Del Rey , Day of the Giants. It wasn't great literature , but it was a very entertaining book. The edition I had was put out by Aimont books. The cover on that edition of book is hilarious because it in no way relates to the actual story of the novel. :D
That was how Airmont (and a few others) worked -- even Doubleday cut expenses by simply buying cheap generic sf cover art...I remember that their edition of one of Gordy Dickson's collections (it may have been ANCIENT, MY ENEMY) featured a half of a lemon floating in a blank yellow sky...
 
Baylor, I've got that edition of del Rey's Day of the Giants.
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I've had it for years without (re)reading it. My memory is that I picked it up in the early 1970s having earlier read a hardcover edition from a library, and liked the Norse mythology angle.

Not relevant to Simak, but I hope the cover art amuses a few people.
 
Baylor, I've got that edition of del Rey's Day of the Giants.
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I've had it for years without (re)reading it. My memory is that I picked it up in the early 1970s having earlier read a hardcover edition from a library, and liked the Norse mythology angle.

Not relevant to Simak, but I hope the cover art amuses a few people.

Extollager ,Thank you for showing me this , I once had this exact book oh so many years ago. My mother found this and and several others in a department store bargain bin. I have fond memories of reading this book and the others she found for me. Among the books was The Hidden World by Stanton Coblentz another book I have fond memories of. (y):).
 
That was how Airmont (and a few others) worked -- even Doubleday cut expenses by simply buying cheap generic sf cover art...I remember that their edition of one of Gordy Dickson's collections (it may have been ANCIENT, MY ENEMY) featured a half of a lemon floating in a blank yellow sky...

They were fun books to read and its too bad Airmont is no longer around . :(
 
I've read very little Del Rey though I intend to read more (eventually) because one of his stories "Return Engagement" (7th Galaxy Reader), set in the farmlands of Minnesota, could almost have been written by Cliff.

We seem to be digressing into del Rey generally but I thought you might be interested in this bit of blather about reading several of his collections: The Short Fiction of Lester del Rey. I remembered it when I read your comment but had forgotten that I'd made an explicit Simak reference in it though, perhaps unfortunately, in an opposite sense. He didn't seem much like Simak to me but he did write a number of excellent things.
 
We seem to be digressing into del Rey generally but I thought you might be interested in this bit of blather about reading several of his collections: The Short Fiction of Lester del Rey. I remembered it when I read your comment but had forgotten that I'd made an explicit Simak reference in it though, perhaps unfortunately, in an opposite sense. He didn't seem much like Simak to me but he did write a number of excellent things.

Many thanks indeed. Your review is very informative. I've read seven del Rey stories since I returned to reading SF seriously (?seriously?!: edit: routinely might be a better choice of wording), and only two of those are on your best list. I suspect that the story "Return Engagement" was a specific attempt to write like Simak, as the other stories that I've read are nothing like him, and your review indicates as much.
 
Impressive listing Ralf!

This really goes to show how each of us experiences the books differently, with of course a fairly general agreement re Empire (I wonder if this will prompt a posting from someone saying how much they like Empire: I hope so).

I know I'd find it difficult to make a list.

I rate "A Choice of Gods" highly.

I also enjoy very much the later works that edge into fantasy, whereas usually I struggle with fantasy.

While some have always rated Simak highly, I only appreciated him once I reached my fifties. I'm sure that this was part of my own ageing process. I note that most of his books were written once he was over fifty, and suspect that there may be an over-fifties pace to his writing that appeals to me.

When I read most of Simak's books, I was between 30 and 40 years old. Some of the books I have not read for a long time. Maybe I should do it again.
Now I am almost 60 years old. Then the valuation might be different. It is already noticeable that I find the older books from the fifties and sixties almost completely better than the later ones from the seventies and eighties.

"A Choice of Gods" I had read again two years ago. It reads well and the philosophical thoughts in it stimulate reflection. But it is too little action for me.
 
Ive read one book by Lester Del Rey , Day of the Giants. It wasn't great literature , but it was a very entertaining book. The edition I had was put out by Aimont books. The cover on that edition of the book is hilarious because it in no way relates to the actual story of the novel. :D

There are so many books, in which the cover has nothing to do with the content. The Simak editions include a whole lot of the British pocket books from Publishers Magnum and Methuen from the seventies and eighties.

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Later, the pictures were mostly more appropriate.

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In Germany, title pictures have often been used which aroused false expectations. For example, a few editions of Way Station:

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And these two editions of City are also very funny:

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The publishing house knew well that in the novel animals occur. But since they did not have any suitable pictures with dogs or ants, they took pictures with monkeys or pigs. ;):LOL:
 
My old friend sent three more Simaks -- Project Pope and the collections Skirmish (10 stories) and So Bright the Vision (4 stories). Thanks, Jeff!
 
My old friend sent three more Simaks -- Project Pope and the collections Skirmish (10 stories) and So Bright the Vision (4 stories). Thanks, Jeff!
Now that's a good friend to have!
Also, two of the best (pre-me) Simak collections! Enjoy!
 
That was how Airmont (and a few others) worked -- even Doubleday cut expenses by simply buying cheap generic sf cover art...I remember that their edition of one of Gordy Dickson's collections (it may have been ANCIENT, MY ENEMY) featured a half of a lemon floating in a blank yellow sky...

So that the users to get an impression, I have searched the title cover of "Ancient, My Enemy" from the ISFDB. The cover is almost even more scary than Dave described it. The lemon looks through glasses and the glasses floats in the sky ... :)

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Source: ISFDB
 
So that the users to get an impression, I have searched the title cover of "Ancient, My Enemy" from the ISFDB. The cover is almost even more scary than Dave described it. The lemon looks through glasses and the glasses floats in the sky ... :)

NCNTMNMGLQ1974.jpg

Source: ISFDB
Thank you for ferreting that out, Ralf -- I've got a copy, but it's in a box somewhere in my basement...
I'd forgotten about the eyeglasses...
 

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