British English editing for Yanks

Just to complicate matters, I wouldn't have defined spinney as a small wood on a hill -- in fact, to me it's always had the overtones of something lower down in a valley, and secretive, and very small. I've just checked my Oxford Dictionary of English (a smaller version of the OED) and its definition is "Brit. a small area of trees and bushes" so no hill needed there, either. In Hampshire, a wood on the top of a hill is known as a hanger, and checking the ODE that says "Brit. a wood on the side of a steep hill".

Originally a copse was indeed a man-made small wood grown for cutting (copse is a contraction for coppice, the technique) but it's become more general since coppicing died out, I think. Thicket I'd say is more bushy and shrubby, and dense than a copse or wood.

I'd always thought tump was something smaller than a hill, but the ODE gives it as "chiefly dialect [often in place names] 1 a small rounded hill or mound; a tumulus. 2 a clump of trees, shrubs, or grass." So you could have a tump on a tump!! (No idea of its provenance -- perhaps a corruption of lump/clump?)
 
I have to say that I've never heard the word, tump, before.

I'm guessing that it may be a Hampshire** (or south-eastern English) dialect word that didn't make it across the border into Dorset until some of Hampshire was moved into Dorset in 1974.


EDIT: Apparently, a tump is a class of hill (other classes being Marilyns and HuMPs). As such, there are tumps in Dorset (including Golden Cap, the highest point on the south coast of England). None of them appear to be called tumps, so it's unclear, to me, whether the word is used except in the context of indicating what class of hill they are.

According to Wiki:
Tump means a hillock, mound, barrow or tumulus. The Welsh words twmp and Twmpath may be related. Although some may appear similar to glacial drumlins, for the most part they are man-made, e.g. remains from mineral extraction, burial mounds (tumuli and especially Bowl barrows) or Motte-and-bailey castle mounds.
I'm not sure how many of the tumps listed as being in Dorset (at my first link) fit that description.
 
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Hetty Pegler's Tump is my favourite of all the tumps I have met :D

I've always thought of spinneys as small, which is why I was particularly fussy about using it. When I lived in Oatlands Park there was a house called The Spinney on the way to the lake I used to fish. Its wooden plaque was made from a cross-section of a thick bough and was etched with this endearing little silhouette of a small hill with a cluster of trees on the top. I figure that's where my imperfect knowledge came from.

pH
 
I have to say that I've never heard the word, tump, before.

I'm guessing that it may be a Hampshire** (or south-eastern English) dialect word that didn't make it across the border into Dorset until some of Hampshire was moved into Dorset in 1974.
It's not a word I remember coming across from locals down here, so I'd assumed it was a Midlands/Northern word, which I'd picked up as a child, along with snicket and jitty for narrow passages between fences/walls, or an enclosed/roofed passage -- in Leicester a row of terraced houses might have a tunnel cut through them mid-way along their length (a designed tunnel, not created after building), allowing access to the gardens at the rear, and that was a jitty.
 
It's not a word I remember coming across from locals down here, so I'd assumed it was a Midlands/Northern word, which I'd picked up as a child, along with snicket and jitty for narrow passages between fences/walls, or an enclosed/roofed passage -- in Leicester a row of terraced houses might have a tunnel cut through them mid-way along their length (a designed tunnel, not created after building), allowing access to the gardens at the rear, and that was a jitty.

That's funny. I know that word as 'jennel'. It's definitely a Northern thing, tho'.

pH
 
I can help you out in an unhelpful way. Lots of old place names around here, one of which actually means "wooded hill" - haughurst. hurst being wood/wooded hillock and haug being hill. However being silly modern people the place has "hill" added after the place name so it's actually "wooded hill hill". Love the old language that simply lists what things are and names after them. :)

You'd get away with hurst as I always thought it to be a slightly raised bit of wood, but maybe that's because everything around here is a hurst of some description. I live in a hurst with baugs ;)
 
Does Britain commonly have stands of trees on hilltops? It seems an unnatural location for them. As far as I am aware, trees tend to be nowhere, everywhere, in gullies*, or where planted. I have no word for a grove or stand on a hilltop, because there is no such thing within hundreds of miles unless they are planted around a house on the hilltop. For Americans west of the Rockies, you actually would need to describe this strange phenomenon.

* In Wiglavian, any groove through which water would/could flow if the ground were wet is a gully from a scrape in a hillside to the Grand Canyon.


edit: "it" made it sound as if the water was wet
 
Yep, we have trees on hills. Lots of them.

*takes the thread wholly off topic* Some thousands of years ago (long after the ice sheets melted) much of southern England and the Midlands would have been covered in trees -- it's said a squirrel could have gone from the Wash on the east coast to the Bristol Channel on the west without once touching ground. I'm not so sure about the rest of the UK, though I know Scotland had huge Caledonian pine forests, so I imagine it was much the same. When humans started clearing the forest for agriculture, it would have been in lowland areas, and fertile river valleys, so the hills would have been among the last denuded. Ship-building and iron-smelting, which used huge quantities of timber, effectively stripped some areas here in the south of England, and sheep-farming did for a lot more in the Midlands and North, but even until the beginning of the C20th we still had a lot of ancient woodland (ie probably there since 1600 if not earlier) though it's now only about 2% of the UK.
 
Makes some sense. Our groves were imported from Australia (thousands of blue and red gum). I do have plenty of American terms for paved roads though: streets, roads, freeways, local-bypasses, parkways, lexus lanes...
 
spat > spit
lit > lighted (AE "lit" means "set fire to"!)
fit > fitted
sawn > sawed
dive > dove
sneak > snuck

I picked these up after reading a Wikipedia piece. HOWEVER, I've since been looking into these, and apparently it's worth noting the distinction between standard use, and non-standard use.

In other words, that "lit", "fit", and "sneak" are acceptable as standard spellings in American English - simply that the non-standard versions listed as alternatives are simply becoming more common.

As usual, I am trying to apply more than I know. :)
 

Err... Not exactly. Some of your examples are past tense differences. Snuck is a (lower-educated) past tense of sneak, not a substitute for it. Sneaked is still preferred, at least by me. :D

Fitted is a specific usage meaning a way something is designed, not that it fits. Fitted sheets, fitted clothing. Fit is still past tense of fit as far as meaning it fills the space. It may be a fitted shoe, but he found that the shoe fit.

Dove is pretty interchangeable with dived. Past tense.

Spit and spat are pretty interchangeable past tenses.
 
Err... Not exactly.

Yeah, this follows on directly from the other thread.

I just happened to come across a piece on Wikipedia today that mentioned these instances, so I wondered if I'd over-looked something.

However, reading further on these examples, it appears the variations are non-standard in American English anyway.
 

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