Ideas + ??? = book

I think that a lot of pantsers use the three act or four act model even if it is not all that conscious. The only way they would miss it would be if they never read books at all and just decided they could be a writer. The acts are like a rhythm that you expect in a novel and just as much as anything else it is what your inner ear strives to hear when you write.

But it's good to know the actual foundation of what you sense; in the same way that its good to know each tool that you have at your disposal, rather than trying to figure out which tool besides the hammer might drive that nut onto the screw. Yes there is a possibility that your errant writing might damage someone, so when you have the time do the homework and study the manual.
 
Thanks, all.

I'm always amazed at how much help you guys are on here. Thank you very much.

I've got about 10,000 words of my "idea" so far, and by looking at that 3 key structure pattern I can see roughly how I can use it.

I've no doubt I'll be asking more questions in the future.

Again, thanks, all. Blown away by the support.
 
Quite serendipitously, @Tower75 , The Writing Excuses Podcast for this season (starting 2015) are aiming their 15 minute podcasts at exactly your kind of problem.

Seriously, this will give you great advice and workshopping cues for your idea. Check out the website - you can download the Podcasts, too.

pH
 
Our monthly 75 Word Writing Challenges and quarterly 300 Word Challenges are good exercises for answering the original question here. When you have a limited number of words to work with and you want to tell a complete story (rather than just describe something or write a vignette) you begin to learn what is essential to telling your story and what can be sacrificed without sacrificing plot. The more times you participate in the challenges, the more you are likely to learn, not only by writing your own entries, but by reading the others and choosing which ones you think are the best. (And all that aside, they can be enormously fun.)
 
Deserves to be underlined.
Also ideas are not Businesses, products or programs. Very many successful things are simply well done and liked and are close to zero in the original ideas dept. Ideas are nice and I find I get 100x more of them if I'm actually writing (or developing something) than if I'm just thinking up ideas, which often prove to be fairly useless to make into something. It's like "inventions", hardly any result in successful new businesses. But successful businesses might periodically introduce new ideas, though rarely real 'inventions', yet the perception about entrepreneuring is that's it's about a new idea. It's not, it's about getting the resources to start, planning, management, working hard and some luck.
 
My advice is to the contrary. No. Don't just sit down and write. That's obviously not working for you!

I face this problem every time I do a franchise/tie-in novel. The brief is something like "Write an adventure story set in the Wars of the Roses", and I have to come up with setting, character, plot from that.

You say you know your world and your themes? The trick is to identify all the main conflicts ranging from the grand thematic - say, chaos vs order - down to specific local ones - say, farmer vs bandits. Once you have that, plug characters in, including at least one protagonist, and start work on your story.

At that point, "Just write" is OK advice, though I prefer to tell the story in an outline.
 
I think even most pantsers have an outline. We...er...They would likely say that its more free form giving more flexibility. And that's a grand delusion I've come to appreciate. In some ways it can end up being more ridged and dangerous. The value of placing it all down in an actual outline is that you can then point at something and ask yourself if you really want to paint yourself into that corner and you can adjust it before the fact.

The other way you might have to wait for the paint to dry.
 
My advice is to the contrary. No. Don't just sit down and write. That's obviously not working for you!

Congratulations, you have achieve the second stage of becoming a writer. Most people don't get pass the first stage.

First stage writers start writing a story and then become frustrated with it because it is not working out. The best thing to do then is to just write everything that comes into your head, regardless of how silly or strange it seems. It is, in effect, brainstorming your ideas to see which ones fit and which ones don't. But getting all of your ideas on paper is an important step in clearing up your thoughts. It is only by comparing them objectively can you see them completely.
 
The best thing to do then is to just write everything that comes into your head, regardless of how silly or strange it seems.

If I did that I would still be on my first draft, probably pushing past 800,000 words with no end in sight, like a literary Voyager 2 leaving the solar system on a journey to the middle of nowhere. :D

I discovered that 'completion' is what gets me to the end. i.e. I have to have an end in sight (and quite a lot inbetween) before I even put the first foot down on the trail (warning - planner in the house!) So the best thing I ever did was practice discovering what this completion was like by doing a lot of 1.5-3k short stories. Once I got comfortable discovering completion and a lot of other useful things that telling stories over a few thousand words forces onto you, breaking a novel down and attempting it was much easier, I found.
 
Thank you, peeps. Lots of info to chew over. Where would I need to look for the writing challenges?

Hah! I hope I've reached that stage. This is what I do for a living!
(Though I don't claim any great professional seniority.)

Well you beat me, all I've got is a blinking cursor on a screen and a Dogue De Bordeaux and a Bassett Hound who sit on my bed and judge me.
 
I'm not a big fan of "just sit down and write anything," either. It's easy to go off in the wrong direction that way, and then the idea of going on even when you know something is very wrong, instead of going back and fixing it, is even worse. And yet, no writing is wasted if you learn something from it. And I know that it is possible to fuss too long over a certain section and that there is a time to move on regardless. And I also know people who are very prolific and work very well by keeping up their momentum.

I have often suffered, as many of you know, from long bouts of writer's block, which are related to, if not intimately tied up with, depression. So I know that beating yourself up for not writing does not work, and can only make things worse. Sometimes it is best to do something else writing related (research or beta reading, for instance) so that you feel less useless and discouraged and not incidentally keep your hand in to a certain extent. Some people would say, "That's no way to get things done." (Or worse that writer's block is just an excuse and a way of getting people's sympathy when you are too lazy to write. Except that anyone who has ever experienced a long period where they were blocked can tell you, you don't get sympathy except from other people who have gone through the same thing, because other people just don't understand it. Some may be sarcastic and dismissive. Some may try to be kind and supportive but even they can't sympathize in the fullest sense of the word.) But as for not getting anything done, many people who have this problem can be very productive in the times between. I think that if I sat down every day and tortured myself for hours trying to write when the words just aren't there that I would eventually learn to hate writing and give it up entirely. Instead, I have written eleven books and a bunch of little stuff of various sorts, and writing remains my great love.

So what I would say (and apologies for the long digression) is that it is not only important to find out what works for you (and in the early stages it might take a lot of experimentation with different ways to find out what that is) and to do it that way in spite of other people trying to convince you that another way would be soooo much better, BUT to also be flexible enough to recognize for yourself when the time comes that something else might work for you, at least for a while. It is possible to switch your methods for each new book, or between drafts, or just in the middle of what you are doing.

There are a lot of "rules" of writing but the only one true rule is this: Do what works.
 

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