The mystery of consciousness

body that we live in is merely an avatar?
Many religious / faith / spiritual / life-after-death folk would think so. The brain might be an Input/Output interface to our Mind or Soul. Certainly the more they study the brain the more confusing it seems. Also despite the wish of many biologists and AI researchers we don't seem to be a "meat based" computer.

Perhaps the body is a "waldo"

I have an open mind on the subject as we lack either evidence or a testable theory.
 
The brain might be an Input/Output interface to our Mind or Soul.
I wondered this -- though not very seriously -- until my father's Alzheimer's got serious, when it became obvious (to me at least) that the I/O theory is, at best, very simplistic and most likely to be completely wrong.
 
I had a similar experience with my dad's dementia. If physical changes in the brain cause such a drastic change in personality, it seems rather unlikely that any part of the personality does not have its cause in the physical brain.

Whether that's true of consciousness itself, in terms of the "observer", we can't know at this stage, since it has no personality or thought. We also can't know whether any other species or thing possesses it, since they can't communicate with us about it.
 
father's Alzheimer's got serious, when it became obvious (to me at least)
My mother-in-law's Dementia is very bad, and I had a Great Aunt that was very bad.
The I/O theory isn't incompatible, actually. But of course it's not a proper theory as there is nothing that it predicts.

The answer is that we don't understand and can't measure Intelligence (IQ and Psychometric tests don't), Creativity, Sentience, Consciousness.
We have poor flawed tests for self-awareness (such as paint dot and mirror, but cats don't generally regard things in mirrors, video or behind double glazing as "real" due to lack of smell and sound).
Assumptions about tool making vs brain size etc upset by Caledonian crow. Then unexpectedly the common UK rook, if in a food deprived situation, was found to be as "clever" as the Caledonian crow at spontaneously "making and using tools". There seems to be no correlation between brain size and ability. There was case of French Civil servant (and others) with very little brain and seemed normal.

Dementia and other neurological conditions seem poorly understood.

Language is puzzling too. There is giant gap between any animal capable of a vocabulary and communication and a human child.

A very small number of people disagree with Chomsky's idea of Universal Grammar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky

Did you know there is supposedly NO culture that doesn't have kissing? (I mean more than "hello" but "Mmm you're nice").

If we ever do meet Aliens wouldn't it be intriguing if they all had bilateral symmetry, four limbs, two eyes on head, similar deep grammar and many aspects of similar body language?
Evolutionists would claim "Convergent Evolution" and "believers" would say "what did you expect god to do?" It wouldn't "prove" anything. Just be amazing.
 
Last edited:
There is something here that many members have mentioned as if it were background information, or mentioned in passing without adding it into the mix of consciousness. Feelings. The difference between a computer, robot, AI, CCTV camera and humans is the complete lack of emotional response. AI could probably imitate the human idea of love, but would the AI care if it felt nothing when it was hugged? Only if it was programmed to do so. Can an AI feel pain? I say no, but it could appear to.

The advantage humans have over animals is that they can extensively plan things. Sure an AI can do that, but how much programming would it take to imitate human creativity? And each human produces a seperate idea when being creative. Even more programming.

Now, some might tell me that I am a program in my brain constructed to act exactly like a human. One question is - by Who? Aliens? Besides we all know the feeling of being conscious.

"Energy exists in a plethora of forms, including matter."
- Me
 

Similar threads


Back
Top