Censoring Ebooks: The Clean Reader Brouhaha...

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Over here is a piece by Chuck Wendig on the Clean Reader thing that's starting to blow up now. Needless to say, it's a piece by Chuck Wendig on censorship and the non-consensual removal of profanity by this app from ebooks. So, uh, fair warning... lots of profanity ahead.

The article is useful because it also links to Joanne Harris's exchange with the Clean Reader people on their app.

Personally, I find this whole thing is profoundly troubling.
 
This is the kind of thing that makes me want to suddenly remember I'm a visiting alien and I can go home any time I choose.
 
The danger with this sort of outrage is that it can end up promoting its subject, rather than work against it.

It only has 10 ratings in iTunes, and on Google Play it has 34 reviews - a third of which seem to be protests against censorship.

Actually, the reviews for Android throw up an even bigger accusation than censorship - that the app developers are actually reselling other people's digital rights via ebooks, without permission, and at inflated prices to boot. It appears the app does not work with existing books - only those bought through the developer's store, which have been pre-censored.

Now that is something worth getting riled about - but no one seems to have noticed that part?
 
(Parson prepares to be inundated with furious responses.) ---

I like the idea of this app. In the examples sited I do not see that the use of the profanity in any material way improved the material. To call this editing is really stupid. If I bought a paper book I could go through it and ink out every profane usage before I or my child read it. To site the least offensive remark. The author wrote "Do not touch my d*** steak!" I get the very same feeling when I read as the app said "Do not touch my [blanked out] steak! The exclamation mark tells me that there was some intensity in the remark. I don't need the profanity for that.

The app lets people who buy the book read it in a way that pleases them. I don't buy into any of the slippery slope junk. (If an app lets the reader choose to read or not read profanity, then they will choose to read or not read about racism or whatever.) That's a smoke screen. It is most certainly not censorship. Censorship prevents everyone from reading something. This is not that. This falls under the freedom of choice. I can choose to read the profane language or I can choose not to. How can an author tell me what I have to read? I can stop in the middle of a book because the book is boring or because it is offensive (I've done both.) In no way is my choice censorship of the whole. It is only censorship of what I will subject myself to. A right every person would expect to have. As a parent I expect to be able to help my children make moral choices. That's an obligation of a parent. I could easily see this app. being an aid in that duty.

I see the author going off on a rant because he believes that his prose as exquisite or deathless or something. If he cannot convey emotions and intensity without profanity, in my book he's pretty much of a hack. It seems to me that Shakespeare rarely resorted to profanity and the emotions of his characters came through with crystal clearness.
 
I don't read stuff FULL of profanity for the sake of it. If it's really needed, I ignore it.
I don't agree with this. It contravenes copyright.
Either you buy it as published or don't.

I got a book the other day where someone had tippexed out God every time a character said it.
Josephine Tey!

As a parent I expect to be able to help my children make moral choices
So do I.
If it needs censored, then it's not suitable!

I'd not use Joanne Harris's language, but I 100% agree with her.
initial post by Joanne Harris.

Then her response to the email Clean Reader sent her.

This application is crazy. If you need a book butchered like this, then DON'T read it.
Removing "rude" words absolutely doesn't make books written for adults suitable for children.
I'd not expect a 10 year old of ANY reading age to read I Capture the Castle by Dodie Smith (101 Dalmatians) simply because it's automatically edited by an app. It's not just a Moral issue, some topics are just not suitable till you are older.

Censorship of published material is wrong and a copyright violation. It's totally stupid doing it automatically.

I don't like profane language. I see little to no need for it. Some books I can ignore it and other books I just stop reading. An "auto text cleaner" is a really dumb solutition. Don't agree or don't like it? Then don't read it.

"For the Children" is no excuse at all.
 
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But it doesn't matter whether the author's prose is exquisite or not -- it's his prose. And it's not a matter of whether he can convey emotions or intensity without profanity, it's the fact that he chose to convey them with it.

If this were an app that simply allowed a person to plug a book into it and change words to suit them, for their own use, that would not be such a bad thing. You could get rid of the "d*** steak" and anything else that offended you, and someone else could change all the broccoli to cake if they wanted. Anyone can read any word as anything they like, or not read it at all -- parents skip words when reading to children all the time, depending on the sensibilities of the child.

But this, as I understand it, takes a book and "cleans" it, and then they sell the "cleaned" book. That is absolutely not acceptable. They do not have the rights to make changes to the book, nor the rights to sell the book -- they are simply making a profit off of butchering an author's work and reselling it illegally. That is completely aside from the fact that they are imposing their own particular standards on the changes -- they're obviously selling to people of similar taste.
 
I do not see that the use of the profanity in any material way improved the material.

That's not the reader's choice to make.

To call this editing is really stupid. If I bought a paper book I could go through it and ink out every profane usage before I or my child read it.

edit: prepare (written material) for publication by correcting, condensing, or otherwise modifying it.

No, it's not stupid. It's exactly what's going on. Changing the text from the original is, in fact, editing.

You might not think that's bad, but don't change the definition of the word 'edit' to make it seem less intrusive that what it is.

I don't need the profanity for that.

Not your choice to make. The writer wrote those words for a reason.

The app lets people who buy the book read it in a way that pleases them.

So why not simply buy a book that would actually please them, i.e. one without profanity. This is the 'I have a right not to be offended' argument. Which is utter bullsh**. No one has a right not to be offended.

It is most certainly not censorship. Censorship prevents everyone from reading something.

I go back and forth on the censorship angle. It's not Big Brother Government Agency level censorship certainly. But a patron going into a library and purposely misshelving a book so others cannot find it is a form of censorship. Likewise, that patron outright stealing a book from the library so that others cannot read it is censorship. So too if a patron goes into a library and marks put a copy of a book to blank out the words they personally find offensive. This simply being a choice the reader makes does not prevent it from being akin to censorship.

This falls under the freedom of choice. I can choose to read the profane language or I can choose not to.

That's funny. So why not chose to avoid the books with profanity instead of editing them? Again, you don't have a right not to be offended. If you want a book without profanity, write one. You don't have the right to edit other people's work simply because you don't like their word choice.

How can an author tell me what I have to read?

They can't. And that's the crux of the argument. Consent. You have consented to read a given work by purchasing it and taking the time to read it. You're consenting to read that book, the writer wrote the book, consented to whatever edits were made prior to publication, but has not consented to have their work further changed by this app, or by you. Why is your consent more important than theirs?

I can stop in the middle of a book because the book is boring or because it is offensive (I've done both.) In no way is my choice censorship of the whole.

Putting down a book that you don't want to continue is not censorship, removing words you don't like from a book is.

As a parent I expect to be able to help my children make moral choices. That's an obligation of a parent. I could easily see this app. being an aid in that duty.

As a parent, I can see this app as an easy excuse to avoid parenting. Instead of having a real conversation with my child about passages or words or thoughts or ideas that are out of her context or that she doesn't like, as a parent, it's my duty to talk with her about those things. To explain what those words mean, what the writer might have been trying to express by saying things in a certain way. It's not my job to remove those thoughts and ideas from a given work and thereby avoid talking with my child. If you don't want your kid to read a given work, don't let them. By removing challenging content you're removing the very reason they should be reading in the first place.

If he cannot convey emotions and intensity without profanity, in my book he's pretty much of a hack. It seems to me that Shakespeare rarely resorted to profanity and the emotions of his characters came through with crystal clearness.

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Ah, this chestnut of bullsh** again. 'You're clearly too stupid to communicate effectively if you have to resort to profanity.' No, as the writer they've made that choice. There's no connection between the use of profanity--or lack thereof--and quality.

'The Bard rarely resorted to profanity.' Really? You have a quite shallow grasp of your Shakespeare then. The man wrote some of the most lascivious, outrageous, and explicit works. Not outright porn, no of course not, but the man's work is peppered with profanity and innuendo for the time.
 
I'm going to back up Parson - along with freedom of speech comes a freedom to listen.

As a writer I would rather have the freedom to swear and know those that don't approve can censor it for themselves if they wish, but still read my story. Losing the swearwords does not negate the story entirely.
 
You can't make a book that's unsuitable for children, suitable by auto editing!
It's up to the writer & Publisher to produce a kids version OR NOT!
If it's unsuitable for children don't give the book to children. THAT is the Moral judgement and Freedom of choice for a Christian. Not a 3rd party automatic Bowlderiser!
 
Losing the swearwords does not negate the story entirely.
Read again what it does!
It's not just about swear words!

As a writer I would rather have the freedom to swear and know those that don't approve can censor it for themselves.
Absolutely!
And *I* censor by either ignoring the word or ditching the book to bin and/or make a judgement which (if any) of the children are old enough to read it.
I do NOT want your books EVER to be edited by a mindless, soulless computer program with a stupid American substitution dictionary!
 
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s I understand it, takes a book and "cleans" it, and then they sell the "cleaned" book. T
It seems to be at "reading" time. They claim the full text is supplied and you can turn off the filter.
I'm not so stupid that I need an inflexible automatic program to do this.

It's demeaning to author and reader. Their argument is that it makes works suitable for children. My argument is that it will result in children being give books to read that they shouldn't and also being confused and misinformed.

Some Victorian publishers did this. It was silly then and stupid now.
It's like the STUPID idea of a film cleaned for TV. Then you go and buy DVD and find due to language and/or extra uncut scenes of sex and/or violence it's unwatchable for you as an adult never mind the children. My solution? I don't watch films on TV, I buy the DVD if I want them. Then I get it as intended and can if unsure check out IMDb and rating on package (the ratings are not that useful, I've some 18 that I regard as fine, and I through a 15 rated in bin as unmitigated filth).
 
But this, as I understand it, takes a book and "cleans" it, and then they sell the "cleaned" book. That is absolutely not acceptable. They do not have the rights to make changes to the book, nor the rights to sell the book -- they are simply making a profit off of butchering an author's work and reselling it illegally. That is completely aside from the fact that they are imposing their own particular standards on the changes -- they're obviously selling to people of similar taste.

From what I read I don't think they sell "cleaned" books. I think the app only works with books sold through itself. You can switch off the cleaning function and read the book in its original version.

I don't buy into any of the slippery slope junk.

If the app proves popular with a particular demographic then what's to stop that group lobbying the publishers to start publishing only the clean versions of books - hence the slippery slope.

My current WIP is at 62k and I've used the f word 4 times in total throughout the whole book. I could be a hack by Parson's standard, but this app would remove the extra emphasis I was aiming for in those four instances.
 
I do NOT want your books EVER to be edited by a mindless, soulless computer program with a stupid American substitution dictionary!

I don't mind.

If I go through traditional routes of publishing or production it will be edited by others anyway. The purest form of my work will only be seen by a very few anyway.

It's like with my monologue - it was dressed to be their style more than mine and was a work of compromise. Phyllis isn't the 60 year old character in a drab community centre I wanted. And I wasn't allowed to joke about alcoholics. (I am rather pleased to have an adult language warning though even if the word is very, very mild)
 
Actually, Joanne Harris addressed that yesterday, I think - I'm sure I saw some stuff about it...

I can't see any mention of it. I would have thought that would be the far bigger issue - is anyone receiving royalties for their work sold under cleanapp?
 
it will be edited by others anyway
Actual humans. You get to see result.
This isn't just "profanities". It's a HUGE variety of words. It's an automatic lookup table with no sense of context. The Writer and Publisher don't get to see what is being delivered unless you use the misnamed "cleanapp".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bowdler
He and others at least were using humans to actually edit. This is a mindless program of the kind a school kid could write. It's using a huge table of words the cleanapp people designate "bad" in advance, with no sense of context.
As it is it's wrong. As said earlier it's a slippery slope back to publisher bowdlerisation.
 

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