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This sneaked up on me, partly due to running the 100 word anonymous challenge, which is here (shameless plugging of the thread!).

I have put up part of the new first chapter of my novel (just under 1500 words). This is a first draft, so there will no doubt be slips and typos, for which I apologise, but what I really want to know is have I managed to show rather than tell, and if not, where does it start to go wrong?

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An elderly librarian watched me over her glasses, making sure I didn’t touch the precious page without cotton gloves. I’m sure she could see the excitement bubbling just under the surface as I read and reread the same section over again.

Hands shaking, I turned round to type a note on my laptop. I could hardly breathe. Surely I couldn’t be the first person to recognise the importance of that passage? But then perhaps everyone else had been thinking of a different area completely. After all, the poem was in Welsh, so naturally people would have been looking for the site in Wales.

Trying to work some moisture into my mouth, I saved the document and shut down.

I knew a place that fitted exactly. That distinctive rock formation, set on a hill sloping down to a river below. I’d seen it, or its twin. My site was in Yorkshire, a long way from Wales.

But there was a problem: it was inside a firing range belonging to the British Army.

I took a photo of the relevant passage with my phone, smiling at the librarian, closed the book reverently and left.

Back in my flat, I opened the laptop again. Google satellite only added to my excitement. It showed a large area of rough scrubland with woods and rocky outcrops, but the most important feature was a cliff on a hill. The shape of that cliff was impossible to see from the aerial view. To recognise it, you’d need local knowledge and I had spent eighteen years living a couple of miles from that range.

Every morning I’d stood waiting for a school bus with my friends looking at that particular outcrop of rock. Something about it drew me.

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“You’re wasting your time, Niamhín,” Dylan said. He didn’t even look up from the textbook he was reading.

Pushing his feet off the desk, I sat down where they’d been. “It’s my time to waste. I’m overdue for a visit anyway and it’ll keep Mum off my back for a while.” He smiled into his book. Dylan is my supervisor, but he’s also a cousin. And a friend.

“Giving trouble again?”

I sighed. “Hmm. She still thinks I’m twelve years old. Expects me to phone every day.”

“You could always text her,” he said, absently.

I snorted. “She says it’s not the same as face-to-face.” I gave him a shove. “Move over so I can look up train times, would you?”

“You’re serious about this?” He put a finger on the page to mark his place and looked up.

“I told you, Dylan. I know I’m onto something here. This is really important.”

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“Absolutely not,” the Range Officer said, shaking his head to hammer the point home. I’d tried to talk to him on the phone, but the army is a difficult organisation for an outsider to penetrate. I’d been politely fobbed off.

If Dylan had backed me it might have made a difference. A lowly student didn’t have much leverage, whereas a fully-fledged archaeologist might have been listened to. I bit my lip, swallowing down a smart retort which would have got me nowhere.

“All the other firing ranges have public access,” I said, keeping my voice reasonable. “Why not this one?”

Rain dripped down my neck, but the officer stood in the dry, smiling. He knew I was out on a limb – it showed in his smug look.

“This range is off-limits to the public,” he repeated. “Unless you have written permission from the Major. Which you don’t.”

For a long moment we stared at each other. He held all the cards and he knew it.

“Alright,” I said, letting my shoulders sag in dejection. “Thank you for your time.”

He rocked up onto his toes and down again, hands behind his back. His eyes burned into me, following me until I crossed the main road and turned the corner. Hunching my shoulders, I dragged my feet, walking slowly, head down. The defeated look was an act: I needed him to forget me.

Once out of sight I pulled my hood up, tucking my long hair inside. Rain was one of the things I didn’t miss about Yorkshire. The local library was only a few hundred yards away and it would be dry with free Wi-Fi, so I headed there to look again at the satellite view.

Just as I remembered, there were warehouses backing onto the firing range at the south-east corner. Behind one of them was a concrete yard, showing up as a glaring white rectangle. That looked like the most promising place to start and it was about as far away from the entrance as possible too.

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I was in luck. Not only was the warehouse disused, with a rental board outside, but the autumn gales had brought a tree down. It leaned a little precariously, but the wide trunk would protect me from the razor-wire coiled along the top of the wall.

So much for their security.

I glanced at my wrist, only to discover I’d left my watch at home.

And my phone. Damn. How would I get photos to show Dylan?

Undecided, I bit my lip. Should I go home for it or just nip over the wall for a quick look now? Heavy clouds filled the sky, so that was no help, but it must be getting on towards late afternoon. If I went home it could be dark by the time I got back and I’d have missed my chance.

The hell with it.

Clambering up the trunk, I used the branches to keep my balance until I could look down into the off-limits area. It was hard to tell where would be the best place to land. Long grass could hide rocks or hollows, and being stuck with a broken ankle and no phone would be the pits.

I slithered down one of the wide branches until it began to dip under my weight, and then I jumped. When I landed, I took two steps and fell on my ass. sh*t.

Oh well, at least I was inside now. Looking up I could see the rock formation I remembered from my school days. It reared up over the surrounding woodland like a giant bear. That’s what I’d called it. The Bear.

Standing up, I brushed wet leaves off my jeans and made sure I could reach the branch to climb back over. I’m not sure what I’d have done if it’d been out of reach, but at least I felt a bit better knowing I could get back. The thought of tramping through the woods to the main entrance and handing myself over to that arrogant git was not one I wanted to dwell on.

Now I knew which direction I needed to travel, so I set off towards the woodland that covered most of the range. It was heavy going. Once I was under the trees I lost my bearings, but I didn’t think I had any choice except to go forwards.

The first scare came when I heard voices.

I froze instinctively, dropping to a crouch. Rain is unbelievably noisy in a woodland, droplets rattling off leaves and thudding into the earth and leaf-mould. Even straining to hear, it was impossible to tell which direction the sounds had come from. Casting my eyes around for movement, I could see nothing.

Much more wary, I went on until the trees thinned out into a clearing. This I recognised from the aerial view, which gave me a better idea of where I was. I strode on, a little more optimistic.

Half way across the clearing I glanced to my left. That’s when I spotted him. Standing under the trees in camouflage clothing, I wouldn’t have seen him at all if he hadn’t moved.

I dropped to the ground for the second time, grateful for the sparse cover of a gorse bush. Peering through the branches, I searched the edge of the clearing until I found him again. He had his back to me.

There must be another man, because this one raised his arm in some sort of signal, then moved off, deeper into the trees. I spun, eyes darting along the treeline. Had the second man seen me?

For the first time the enormity of what I had done sank in. Bile rose, bitter in the back of my throat, making me retch. My skin contracted, suddenly icy-cold. I could hear Dylan’s voice in my head.

You’re good student. You’d maybe even make a good archaeologist if you would stop to think once in a while, instead of rushing on in like a bull in a china shop. He’d looked at me over his reading glasses. This can be a dangerous business, Niamhín. Some of the places we go aren’t safe. You could get yourself injured, or worse.
 
Congrats on the 1,000!

Yep, a few typos and grammatical errors, but nothing you shouldn't find when you come to edit/revise, so I'll leave those alone, save for one, a faulty use of the continuous past, which I noticed cropped up more than once. eg Pushing his feet off the desk, I sat down where they’d been. I don't believe she can sit down at exactly the same moment as she is pushing the feet off the desk -- these things aren't happening at the same time, but in sequence. So it should be either "I pushed his feet off... and sat down" or "Having pushed his feet off, I sat down" making the sequence clear. Clambering up the trunk, I used the branches to keep my balance is another one that caused me to squint, even though using the branches does (probably) happen at the same time as the clambering, as did Standing up, I brushed wet leaves off -- both give the impression that although they might not technically be incorrect, it's more by luck than judgement on your part. :p

I don't mind a bit of telling not showing, so I'm probably no help in sorting that out, but nothing jarred for me as I read through. The big problem I had, though, is we've got 4 separate scenes in something less than 1500 words, and for me that's far too rushed and breathless for a novel. The first and second scenes feel underdeveloped, particularly the second. I don't think you can do a great deal more with the library without padding, so I wonder whether you might be better scrapping that altogether, and instead bring out the information in a longer scene with Dylan. She can show him the transcript and translation (and for my taste I'd like quite a bit more information about exactly what it is she's found, eg what the poem says, what its date is, to what it relates etc), then remind him of the formation, ie everything that has happened off-screen in this version. You'd lose her excitement of finding it, but to be frank, I don't know that's such a great loss. I think I'd also make Dylan rather more assertive in trying to prevent her going, to create some deeper conflict which is perhaps needed there eg have him refusing to help, and her demanding time off for her holiday. It all happens too quickly and too easily to get her up there.

Incidentally, I'm not sure she'd be allowed to take the photo without filling in the requisite forms and paying the fees -- I know we've not been able to when we've been researching old documents for genealogical purposes. And if she's any kind of researcher she wouldn't just stop having found and copied the poem, she'd go on and search for everything else she could find to corroborate her theory. If it's a single sheet, she'd want more by the same poet. If it's part of a book, or long roll, she'd read to the end. As written the scene doesn't read as realistic to me -- not helped by the stereotypical elderly librarian with glasses, a person I've never seen in many years of researching in record libraries! -- which is perhaps another reason to drop it if at all possible.

Anyway, despite my blathering, it's a good first draft, hinting at bigger and more dangerous events, and I'm interested in finding out more, which is the important thing! Well done.
 
Congrats on the 1000th, Kerry! They've indeed been fine posts, too! :)

I'll take a look at this tomorrow (busy-busy right now) but one little bit of tightening maybe, from the first paragraph:
I’m sure she could see the excitement bubbling just under the surface as I read and reread the same section over again.

I think if you read and re-read it's understood it's the same section...perhaps this could read:
I’m sure she could sense the excitement bubbling just under the surface as I read and reread the section.

Looking forward to reading the rest! :)
 
Thank you both.

I think you are quite right, @The Judge. I will begin with the scene with Dylan and expand on it, giving more information.

The continuous past might be more of an obstacle. I've a nasty feeling it's become a habit in my writing already, so I'm going to have to hunt down all examples and nip them in the bud, pinching them out with stern and resolute mien. :cool:

*cough*

Sorry. Surely that's the sort of thing a judge should be saying. :giggle:
 
Yes, if you are planning novel length for this, and it's in first person, then maybe what the Judge said about a bit rushed, and it becomes a challenge of a million 'I's. But so far it works fine.* In the first sentence I thimk maybe 'with cotton gloves on.'
 
I like the use of Google to check out the location. I use it all the time. My daughter asked to take her to Chichester (1.5hr drive) to meet a young man she met on Facebook. I asked her to get his post code. I entered it in Google Maps Street View, and cruised up and down the street having a good look at the location. I said it looks like you found a chap from a good background. She said "Dad!!!" As in:- "what the hell are you doing Dad!!!"

I think you could improve the link from one scene to the next.

You specifically asked if it feels like telling and not like showing. I would say it does feel like you are telling some of the time. However to identify where, I'm not sure as the story reads very well.

I'd like to read more, it's good.
 
*sharpens claws*

As usual, I haven't read anyone else's comments:

the precious page without cotton gloves. - perhaps 'put the cotton gloves on'? If you already have them on then, short of snorting cocaine off the page, surely you're only going to touch the page with your gloved fingers?

I’m sure she - was sure. First sentence was in the past tense.

I read and reread the same section over again - axe either 'read' or 'reread'. By drawing a distinction you're also making the first 'read' sound a bit off, as you can only do that once [whereas you can 'reread' over again].

But then - comma after 'then'

so naturally - comma before and after 'naturally'

Trying to work some moisture into my mouth - bit clunky. Just have a sip of water [or whisky etc].

shut down - not serious, bit I'd change to something like 'turn the laptop off'.

I knew a place that fitted exactly - perhaps convenient?

But there was a problem: it was inside a firing range belonging to the British Army. - again, hard to say without more context, but this is convenient and would the protagonist know this?

I took a photo of the relevant passage with my phone - unsure of this. The protagonist's already made a note on the laptop. On the other hand, it's the kind of double Dutch, safety first slightly irritating to other people thing I'd do.

smiling at the librarian - whilst taking a photo with your phone? 'smiled'

To recognise it, you’d need local knowledge and I had spent eighteen years living a couple of miles from that range. - fair enough [see two notes above]

Something about it drew me. - little bit bland/vague. Could have them interested in explosion, gunfire, manoeuvres etc?

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Niamhín,” - a pronunciation guide at the start [of the book, not expecting it here] would be helpful. Irish spellings aren't necessarily intuitive :p

“Giving trouble again?” - not sure about 'giving trouble'.

Hmm. - axe

he said, absently. - axe 'absently'. Adverbs are often the bedfellows of Satan.

I gave him a shove. - poor chap. You've moved his feet now pushing him about.

shaking his head to hammer the point home. - head shaking is too mild to be 'hammering' a point home.

“All the other firing ranges have public access,” I said, keeping my voice reasonable. “Why not this one?”

For a long moment we stared at each other. He held all the cards and he knew it. - to be fair, this seems to be partly the protagonist's fault for not coming with an argument beyond "Please let me in." Could perhaps have a freedom to roam act [I think there is one] reference, with the soldier stating it doesn't apply to MoD land.

it would be dry - bit of a simplistic phrasing (libraries are expected to have roofs). Maybe emphasise her relief to be out of the rain, and make the Wi-Fi a new sentence.

That looked like the most promising place to start and it was about as far away from the entrance as possible too. - second clause reads a little awkwardly. Could axe it, or rephrase slightly ['as far as possible' and 'too' seem a little clunky].

wide trunk would protect me from the razor-wire coiled along the top of the wall. - shade convenient. Not terrible, but it does come fairly shortly after recognising the location as somewhere from childhood.

I glanced at my wrist, only to discover I’d left my watch at home. - this seems a bit weird to me.

And my phone. - not a phone person myself, but this seems unlikely too, especially as the watch is missing. And I write that as an incredibly absent-minded person.

Undecided - axe

Heavy clouds filled the sky, so that was no help - ha, I get the meaning, but this did make me wonder if the protagonist was expecting God to write a message using clouds :p A more overt reference to the sun may improve this bit.

on my ass. - surely 'arse'?

Oh well - maybe axe

That’s what I’d called it. The Bear.

Now I knew which direction I needed to travel, so - surely the protagonist always knew this? I'd axe it.

It was heavy going. - specify. Tripping over protruding roots? Slippy ground (wet leaves can be a bugger)? Mud? etc.

Once I was under the trees I lost my bearings, but I didn’t think I had any choice except to go forwards. - lost bearings but still knowing where to go seems incongruous.

The first scare came when I heard voices. - maybe axe, because you've foreshadowed a surprise [like the word 'suddenly', which tends to stop things being sudden for the reader]. Could axe and replace with 'There were voices in the wood' or similar.

Casting my eyes around for movement, I could see nothing. - I'd rephrase, it's a little awkward. Sentiment's fine.

I strode on, a little more optimistic. - striding after hearing voices and having no idea where from [and into a clearing] on MoD land seems a little brave. I would've thought creeping/prowling like a ninja would be more appropriate.

I dropped to the ground for the second time, grateful for the sparse cover of a gorse bush. Peering through the branches, I searched the edge of the clearing until I found him again. He had his back to me. - gorse bush *and* seeing his movement *and* finding cover in the clearing whilst his back's to the protagonist is convenient. If the protagonist had been creeping warily, staying in cover, watching the trees, then it'd seem a bit less fortuitous.

I spun - spun? On the ground?

Bile rose, bitter in the back of my throat, making me retch - maybe choke back the retching? Announcing your presence in this situation would be inadvisable.

I could hear Dylan’s voice in my head. - perhaps end this line with a colon?
 
Sharp claws are very welcome, thank you, Thaddeus, for the critique. Excellent points all round.

I am probably axing the initial library scene and going straight to Dylan, expanding his section slightly. I might put the reworked part up for a second mauling once I've given it a bit of soft tissue surgery.
 
My one complaint -- I want to read the rest of the story, and I can't.

I quite liked the section in the library. (But I'm only one reader.) What I liked, I think, was Niamhin's sense of discovery. If you omit this section and introduce the discovery during her discussion with Derek, I hope you will still convey the immediacy of her emotions.

In my opinion, Niamhin's decision to sneak into the firing range appears precipitate and makes her seem foolish, given the risk that she might get in the way of live firing. I think you need stronger motivation and greater urgency to justify this action. Perhaps the army is planning to test heavy munitions, which could destroy the archaeological site?
 
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Hi again! :) The other folks have given a more detailed analysis of your writing than I ever could Kerry, so I will add just a few thoughts. First, I thought this was a very enjoyable read; I would definitely want to continue with this story. I think you did a good job of beginning to reveal who your MC is; I had a real sense of who this person might be, and I liked her (she is a bit brash, but surely that will be revealed to be part of her charm..?:)). To my tastes there was not too much telling (I often don't mind telling, as long as it doesn't come as a long lecture, and nothing here was close to that). I agree with TJ that four scenes in 1500 words to open your book is a bit much. Starting with Dylan--and expanding on his character/role--seems a fine idea (especially as it seems clear he is very important to Niamhín--she hears him, after all, as almost the voice of her conscience, when she is breaking some very serious rules). I really liked this, and I think it shows great potential! Congratulations! :)
 
Hi Kerry,

Nice narrative and I think you've had a great set of comments here. I just wanted to say that it's almost as if you're writing this as a synopsis for yourself (as in 'this happens, then that happens') so that it does come across as quite simplistic or screenplay-y (does that make sense? I don't mean simple in the sense of basic or silly). For so much going on I would probably end up with a much longer word count to get through this narrative.

My advice would be to slow right down and let the story breathe a bit more (without sounding a bit right-on, I hope). I would like a stronger tonal flavour even though the writing is perfectly clear.

Oh, and I was always sneaking into the tank ranges in Dorset and Wilts and taking pics and so on. whether it was just for the hell of it, or for crop circles ;)

pH
 
Oh, and I was always sneaking into the tank ranges in Dorset and Wilts and taking pics and so on. whether it was just for the hell of it, or for crop circles ;)

Oh, good, another bad boy! I used to sneak into all sorts of places I wasn't allowed, many quite dangerous, when I was younger. I thought nothing of it as I wrote this, but lots of people have said it is stretching credibility.

Wish I'd thought of crop circles, but our Yorkshire farmers were quite trigger-happy in those days. It would probably have been marginally less safe than standing in the middle of an MOD firing range with a bulls-eye painted on my chest. I take my hat off to you.

I have slowed down the story quite a bit now. I think I wanted to get all those new ideas down, to stop them fizzing around in my head and disrupting my sleep, so you're probably right: it is a bit of a screen play at the moment.
 
I saw it because I am guilty of it, and when TJ said it was a bit breathless, it really brought it home to me that I have this 'better out than in' mentality, and I could see my own behaviour in that excerpt!

(And yes, I was very bad, and caused my folks all sorts of worry - and still do; my mum's trying to talk me out of living with the Bakwena in Botswana for 3 weeks just so I can learn pathisi ;)

pH
 
@Phyrebrat That sounds amazing. I once had an anthropologist boyfriend who went to live with the Inuit Eskimos. To learn their language (Innuktitut, if I recall rightly), he first had to learn Danish. The only dictionaries available were Danish to Innuktitut.

Botswana sounds warmer. Tell your Mum at least you won't have to kayak to icebergs and chip off ice to melt for water, or eat seal blubber.

And thank you, Jo, but not yet. Still needing my comfort blanket! ;)
 
Yay Kerry on the 1000th!

When I used to visit the rare books at the library, they never allowed photography. Perhaps she sneeks a snap in when the librarian turns her back?
And its usually in a case as well. Sometimes with those turning paddles.

Anyways ..about the tree over the razor wire? Usually those get chainsawed for that reason.
I would accidentally. Back a truck into the fence and run it down, drop some skids on it. Trucks are always running over fences and bashing into things. Too many new drivers about. If the patrols are that serious, on sight signals and everything, its probably a live fire version of capture the flag going on.
Not a good thing Kerry. Other patrolling sentries might have dogs. And most definitely have night vision set goggles.
If she gets in trouble have her flash a bright light. It blacks out the goggles momentarily.
Her best best is to stay out of the traveled areas or piggyback behind a group as it passes.
 
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My 1500 word piece above has slowed down, and like many slow things, myself included, it has gained weight (in the sense of bulk, rather than gravitas). The same piece is now almost 2500 words. :whistle:

So I am moving it to the Writing Group section in the hope that some of you might have the patience to read the new version and tell me if it is getting any better yet. :unsure:
 
Hi,

Like the others, congrats on the 1000th post.

My thoughts are that this was sparse in places, and jumping between so many scenes so fast threw me a bit. Maybe this is just my bias as an epic fantasy lover, but I like some description. So for a start your elderly librarian. Tell me something about her. Something that paints a picture. Also what's the library like? Old and dusty? Filled with computers and signs that say shush?

I think that overall this feels rushed, as if you're describing a non-stop action scene. There I would expect almost pure showing and little in the way of telling or description. But these aren't action scenes and in my view they shouldn't be written that way.

There were some tense issues that grabbed me. I think your MC should have "smiled" at the librarian and left for example.

But overall I thought the pieces were well written. They made me wonder where this was going.

One thing for the non Welsh among us like me - I read the name of your MC and my first thought was how do you pronounce that name? In a traditional fantasy if I don't recognise a name I'm happy to make up my own pronunciation forit and wander on knowing that I can't be wrong. But if it's a real name and I don't know it, it's going to drive me bonkers!

Cheers, Greg.
 
Thanks, Greg.

I am rewriting this as I go and the current iteration is here with much more of the piece. I got rid of my library scene, although I am toying with the idea of putting it back in.

The names I use throughout are a mixture of real and made-up. I intend to have a glossary including phonetic pronunciations at the end of the book for those who like to know (I am one), but not clutter the pages with footnotes. For information, the MC's name, Niamhín, is a take on a traditional Irish name, Niamh (Saint). It would mean Little Saint and should be pronounced Neeveen.

Yes, I know. Irish pronunciation has no logic to English-speaking peoples!
 
I've experimented with hopping scenes as well and got shot down in glorious flames too. The skipping scenes and linked scenes is not enough of anything and fails to engage me because of this. Being critical, the Sergeant refusing permission section could be dropped and covered with a little bit of author narration. I liked the library introduction, but the follow on section didn't add much to the first. The last section didn't have the build up it deserved to really work and was missing details from the character for me - such as, was it cold? Did he not hurt himself falling off the tree? Were his feet wet/cold, legs tired in this heavy going? So too remote from the character I felt. More immediate emotion and direct character experience would help me relate to the character more.

The writing was good, despite the above. I'm not a fan of first person but you handled it well. You're well on your from what I can see, keep at it. Well done on your 000s post.
 
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