The Mindwars - Start of Book Two

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Welcome mgilmour, I'm sure your feeling well done over by now, but believe it or not, you've come off reasonably well for an early post. All the usual for me, lack of tension, lack of character experience, confusing POV and very distant. So lots of work ahead of you, which I hope you'll accept and get on with.

Which is where I'm going to give you my 2c worth. You mentioned editing above and speak of editing as a chore. It's not. I have no idea how many times I edit and review sections, but if I could get my writing right in 10 goes I would honestly be over the moon. Clearly, your writing will never be perfect and you'll never please everyone no matter what you do, so it's a case of achieving a high standard or writing that you can live with. As you learn more, this goal dances and shimmers just beyond the horizon, sometimes close enough to touch, but usually drawing you on into the parched desert of perfection. Clearly perfection is a mirage, a nirvana we all strive for - expect for the "MIGHTY CHRISPY", but being a GOD he really doesn't come into the normal sufferings of mortals like us. In general the rest of us bash away at words that behave like cats being herded and yet despite all our unrewarded effort, we keep going. To be clear, what I define as a writer is the stubborn bugger that keeps on going, that keeps trying and trying. This mgilmour is what awaits you. Right here and now is your Matrix moment, do you take the blue pill, or do you take the red pill?
Great post!
I must admit that I laughed at some of the comments....it was great reading them. BTW - my name is Michael.
I'm actually in a really good place with all of the feedback and editing is just a part of working towards a better end. I think that if I want to see what happens to the characters in the story then I need to take the red pill and see how deep the rabbit burrow goes. :)
 
Hi,

Just a quick one:

"We haven’t got a thing that will light up the shields on the battleship let alone the destroyers.”

How I'm reading that is that the destroyers are more powerful units than the battleship, which is contrary to how it is WW2 times. In rough order, it goes Corvettes, Destroyers, Frigates, Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Battleships. There tend to be heavy and light variants of most of these. Then there are ships that operate outside of the fighting ship range, carriers, troop carriers, littoral landing ships etc.

That jarred a bit for me.
 
Hi,

Just a quick one:

"We haven’t got a thing that will light up the shields on the battleship let alone the destroyers.”

How I'm reading that is that the destroyers are more powerful units than the battleship, which is contrary to how it is WW2 times. In rough order, it goes Corvettes, Destroyers, Frigates, Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Battleships. There tend to be heavy and light variants of most of these. Then there are ships that operate outside of the fighting ship range, carriers, troop carriers, littoral landing ships etc.

That jarred a bit for me.
You're right! It should be the other way around.
 
Hiya, I have only skimmed through the others' suggestions, and I'm no writer, but as a reader, these things stood out. I'll comment on a few:

Her blond ponytail swinging behind her as she shook her head from side to side in concentration
The sentence sounds incomplete because of the gerund.

Major Ruscov pushed back his chair as he stood to his feet behind his console in the Concord command center.
The action of pushing back the chair is an urgent action, but then it gets bogged down by a very long description of nothing really important for context nor for the sense of urgency. Also all the C-starting words, for some reason, get me: Console-Concord-Command-Center.

General Bardon’s head snapped up from a report that had just been handed to him from an aid.
The fact that it was handed to him by an aide is completely superfluous and adds nothing, and just bogs down the action.
“Thoughts generals?”
A comma's needed IMO.

A sudden silence descended across the command centre as every officer dropped what they were doing and watched the general enter the “think tank”.
"Sudden" isn't needed. "Silence descended" does the job just fine, specially since you then explain how the silence comes to be (through people dropping what they're doing).

Without a second thought to the aid at his side or the report he was reading General Bardon nodded his head in acknowledgement and strode off towards the command conference room.
This can be said in fewer words without losing any of the flavour/meaning.

Franky ran his hands through his grey hair as he leaned back in his chair.
His, his, he, his. All in one sentence of 15 words. Nearly a third of this sentence.

General Bardon’s mustache seem to flare as he said in exasperation,
"Seem". Just a typo I suspect. Still, I put it up here because I'm awful :whistle:.

“I’m sorry general,” Alban replied to General Bardon.
Bardon had just spoken, so there is no need to specify who Alban is replying to.

All these things are first-drafty issues, so don't sweat it.
The pattern I've seen is that the action that is supposed to portray urgency and fear gets bogged down in lackluster/long descriptive gestures that don't add to the urgency factor you're trying to convey. If those descriptions were related to nerves and dread I wouldn't mind the overlong descriptions, but I thought the ones you had were not connected to this sentiment, but instead highlighted mundane gestures that could also be used to same effect when talking about the weather.

Urgency needs more trimmed narrative and crisper gestures to work.
 
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Hello, mgilmour. I'm really late to the party here. Some others have gone to a lot of effort to point out the grammar issues, so I waste time going over them again, but also because I think if you deal with the main two problems I see with this piece, then much of the rest will change.

#1 - PoV. It's already been pointed out to you. I believe it is the single most important part of your writing. Without it, the structure of your scene looks like a dogs breakfast, which I'm afraid is what we see here. The very first thing you should be deciding upon when you go to write a scene is who the most important character is. This is usually the character that has the most to input to give about the events of the scene. Write the scene from their perspective, using their attitude and thoughts, and your writing will be much better for it.

If you don't want secrets to be revealed early, then make the PoV character somebody who doesn't know those secrets, or wouldn't naturally think about them without somebody else mentioning it. Just because they know a secret doesn't mean they are going to tell the reader right there and then.

If you really want to use the omniscient narrator, then you'll have to first create a voice for it. Even an omniscient narration has a PoV. It might not be a character that is currently present in the scene, but it is somebody who knew what happened in the events they are describing and typically still has their own unique mannerisms and attitudes shown in the writing that makes them a character just like any other.

Before you make any attempt to rewrite this, you need to figure out who that narrator is.

#2 - Description. I saw you mention that you're trying to keep a fast pace and not get bogged down in detail, but as a consequence you've lost any possible character depth and charm, and makes it very clumsy to read.

The sad thing is you don't need to be in such a rush. The reader will be happier if you just relax and write everything properly. With practice, you will be surprised how much of a picture you can paint with just a few words. It's not the wall of text you think it is.
 
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Michael, you've gotten a lot of great feedback already. I'll put in my 2 cents re. a pet peeve of mine, which I call stage directions. It's important to choose which details of the scene need description and which are needless distractions. Every word needs to contribute to the mood or the plot or the characters.

Major Ruscov pushed back his chair as he stood to his feet behind his console in the Concord command center.

General Bardon’s head snapped up from a report that had just been handed to him from an aid. His neatly trimmed mustache seemed to quiver to attention at the major’s voice.

Without a second thought to the aid at his side or the report he was reading General Bardon nodded his head in acknowledgement and strode off towards the command conference room.

In one motion General Bardon closed the door behind him and pulled out a high backed black leather chair to sit at the large boardroom table.

General Alban’s pony tail swung as she pinned Bardon with her gaze.

Although you've got a lot of physical movement, standing up out of chairs, walking around, etc. I don't feel a sense of the characters as people. How do they move? Quickly? Confidently? Do other elements of the scene help you set the mood, such as the harsh florescent lights, the hard floors, the heavy bulkhead doors.
 
Disclaimer: the contents herein are just MHO. I hope you find them useful, but, of course, only use what serves you best. No harshness is intended, but I tend to be blunt.

Sometimes when I was perusing books at a store, I would open and read the first paragraph. If it didn't hold any promise for me, I'd put it back and move to the next one of interest. These days with downloadable samples, I give more leeway, but as soon as I read your first paragraph, I wondered why you would choose to open with that? What about it is engaging? I haven't read book one. You need me to engage here an now.

Paragraph 3 is "Report, Major." This just telegraphs that you are saying to the reader, And now I will catch you up. Opening with a report scenario is in the same league as opening with someone waking up in my book, a no-no.

They’re here.” [Now I'm cross. I don't know who is "here" and I still don't know why I should care]

And then, to add insult to injury for the reader, you don't actually report and bring us up to speed. Now I do applaud you for not pausing for the recap, but after you ask for the report, and I've already been annoyed as a reader that you open with "report," you annoy me as a reader by not doing it and leaving me hanging for info. And repeating "They're here" three times feeds that annoyance. So I agree with Hex, this is just a case of annoying the pig, to quote Mark Twain.

3. What I was trying to create was a sense of tension by not revealing to the reader what was actually going on. It's like everyone else knows other than the reader.....seems like an epic fail.

I hear this excuse for confusing writing so very often. In my opinion, it is okay to confuse your characters, but never, never your reader. If your reader scratches his or her head and starts rereading a paragraph or section over again, you have lost that reader as an author. Once a reader is outside you control, meaning once they leave the flow of the narration to go in search of understanding, you've given them a reason to put down your book. And this early on, which likely translates into no sale. You can make the scene feel chaotic, but don't abandon the reader, always give them the sign posts they need to navigate the confusion that the characters are having trouble with.

So, why on Earth are we starting with this scene?

I had this very same thought very early on. I strongly feel this is not the proper start for book two. I am not engaged. It feels very much like I just turned a page and started a new chapter in an established book.

Many of the issues you raised are actually covered in Book One

You can't really do that and expect to sell book two well. Books in a series always have the chore of orienting the readers even if they expect the reader read the previous book. Might be a long time between reads. Dresden files takes a paragraph or two in every book to describe the lab. I got so tired of the lab description that I cheered when it finally burned down in a later book. Woot! no more lab descriptions! But none the less, it had to be there for people picking up out of order. So you will need to orient them to the parts that need attending, and you will have to do it as you go along and as needed so that you avoid an info dump of the first book.

As far as POV breach, that is adding to the distance between the reader and the characters. I might suggest an exercise to help you envision what one character sees. Take a section of text, such as this one, and rewrite it in first person. Don't worry about making it great, it's just an exercise, but use it to try to envision what you, as the POV can and cannot see and know.

Good luck, mgilmour, and thanks for sharing!
 
The action of pushing back the chair is an urgent action, but then it gets bogged down by a very long description of nothing really important for context nor for the sense of urgency. Also all the C-starting words, for some reason, get me: Console-Concord-Command-Center.
LOL! I didn't even notice the C starting words.....
"Sudden" isn't needed. "Silence descended" does the job just fine, specially since you then explain how the silence comes to be (through people dropping what they're doing).
Agreed.
The pattern I've seen is that the action that is supposed to portray urgency and fear gets bogged down in lackluster/long descriptive gestures that don't add to the urgency factor you're trying to convey. If those descriptions were related to nerves and dread I wouldn't mind the overlong descriptions, but I thought the ones you had were not connected to this sentiment, but instead highlighted mundane gestures that could also be used to same effect when talking about the weather.
Many thanks for your input :)
#1 - PoV.
This is a tough one that I will continue to work on.....
Although you've got a lot of physical movement, standing up out of chairs, walking around, etc. I don't feel a sense of the characters as people. How do they move? Quickly? Confidently? Do other elements of the scene help you set the mood, such as the harsh florescent lights, the hard floors, the heavy bulkhead doors.
As others have noted....I made the mistake of assuming that readers had read book one. Many of these descriptions of this area are within the first book....
And then, to add insult to injury for the reader, you don't actually report and bring us up to speed. Now I do applaud you for not pausing for the recap, but after you ask for the report, and I've already been annoyed as a reader that you open with "report," you annoy me as a reader by not doing it and leaving me hanging for info. And repeating "They're here" three times feeds that annoyance. So I agree with Hex, this is just a case of annoying the pig, to quote Mark Twain.
At the end of Book One you find out that a Scourge fleet is on the way. In some ways, it was a teaser that was designed to provoke a lot of questions in the mind of the reader and help them remember.....that's right, there's a fleet on the way. Seems like it just annoyed everyone here LOL!
I hear this excuse for confusing writing so very often.
Sorry....it wasn't meant to be an excuse. It was just draft one.
I had this very same thought very early on. I strongly feel this is not the proper start for book two. I am not engaged. It feels very much like I just turned a page and started a new chapter in an established book.
I was trying to capture the urgency of the rebels preparing for assault in "The Empire Strikes Back". It was meant to literally be like the next chapter in an established book.....so it seems that I go that part right. LOL! I'm thinking that there needs to be a separate recap chapter prior to this one which also alludes to some abilities of the main characters.
You can't really do that and expect to sell book two well.
Got it.....I will keep on working away :)

Sorry for the delay in responding to all of the great feedback....been swamped with work stuff. I really appreciate all of the great ideas and thoughts and will continue to work away at the chapter.
 
I was trying to capture the urgency of the rebels preparing for assault in "The Empire Strikes Back".

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But if you were trying to capture that scene, what would the focus be on? Not anyone's swinging hair or moustache. It would be the smell of engines being tested, the dry nerves in your point of view character's throat, the noise of the klaxon, the sharp, barked orders. Your description would be focused on the ship, the character's thoughts on the job in hand. There wouldn't be a long committee meeting - attack preparation requires a shift to autocratic leadership, not democratic. As Han might say: there's no time for a committee.

A tip @Boneman once shared with me was, to bring a scene closer, try to write it in first from a single character. Whose scene is it? Once you work that out - in the past, when I struggled with that I highlighted each character's pov in a different colour and took the most dominant as the pov, now I select by character arc and focus - write it as them, exactly as if you were them. You can tidy it up into third later and add whizzy bits.
 
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