Preacher - Garth Ennis's incredible comic picked up by AMC

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"I gave you free will..." - God

Spoiler: S04E08 - Fear The Lord

"I gave you all free will and you failed." What a horrible God. I cannot say that God in the Preacher is the one from the Old Testament. In fact, I cannot understand what is he seeing on Earth, when he's an universal being. For that I refer you to the opening scene of the Preacher, where Genesis flies through the interstellar space to reach Earth and finally Jesse.

The episode opens up a lot on what God did when he left Heaven, and it is interesting that in similar way to the Lucifer, Preacher's God sought out things to be frowned upon. The dog costume, biker girls, mobile home, beer and giving hell to the people, like Herr Starr for trying to help him.

It makes me think that His whole agenda was for the humanity to cock-up. All the rules were there so that He could feel full filled, and frustrated at the end. It is no wonder why the Saint of Killers is hunting down the Almighty or even went back to Hell to collect Jesse.

Still what was the point of making ants to crawl up to Jesse's rectum? Sure, the Hell is a place for suffering, even if it's by the old methods. You have to wonder why the El Capitan wasn't informed about the fate of Jesse? Did Hitler approve everything?

For Jesse, he should have understood that eventually he was going to get back to Earth, just like Eugene or Hitler. Nothing in Hell ... or for that matter, in Heaven last forever.

Then comes the case of Herr Starr. I really hated how he was rendered to be an impessile by showing the flashback memory scene of him receiving the eye scar. Before that scene, the eye scar was cool and gave him character, afterwards, despise.

Now, I hate him as a character, while before hand he was one of the cool ones. Like many of them actually were. In fact, I'm not sure if I want to watch the final episodes.

One thing I have to say,

I liked the tribute to the Monthy Python's restaurant scene. I was totally fitting, even if it was super weird. LULz

 

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Spoiler: 4.09 Fear of the Lord

The God of the Old Testament was rather benign compared to this version.
He is downright sadistic.
God biting Jesse's eye out was over the top, as was His continuing torture of Herr Starr. Summoning a wild animal to rip off his manhood was bad enough. Was it also part of God's plan to have the local cavemen replace Herr Starr's missing parts with a metal spigot and feed him a tasty stew made from his own leg?
Having the poor guy walk around displaying his new prosthesis was more disturbing than humorous. Having his nipples ripped off by his failed hanging attempt was too much.

Then comes the case of Herr Starr. I really hated how he was rendered to be an impessile by showing the flashback memory scene of him receiving the eye scar. Before that scene, the eye scar was cool and gave him character, afterwards, despise.

Now, I hate him as a character, while before hand he was one of the cool ones. Like many of them actually were. In fact, I'm not sure if I want to watch the final episodes.

Yeah, he does lose a lot of his appeal if his sole motivation has been regaining his "beauty." After all, God is only a miracle-worker, not a plastic surgeon.
I will, however, continue watching. I've invested too much time in this crazy series to miss the final two episodes.

 

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Spoiler

the local cavemen

Opal miners. They might look like the caveman, but they ain't ones. You look in the past and you'll find Denisovans. They like around 40 000 years ago, and they were much, much more sophisticated to people living in just caves. They had cultivated animals, they do farming, and they even had means to make metal alloys, and polish stone and even drill holes. So, don't underestimate the ingenuity of the cavemen as the Preacher ones were sophisticated enough to use a circle saw to separate limps.

I've invested too much time in this crazy series to miss the final two episodes.

Me too.

 

[Dave]

Just discovered that it is cancelled.

 

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Just discovered that it is cancelled.

Yes, they are bringing the story close. There is no need for the extra time.

 

[REBerg]

Yes, they are bringing the story close. There is no need for the extra time.

No point in praying for another season.

 

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"What did you do???" -- God

Spoiler: S04E09 - Overture

"The Sinners, the Denegenerates and the Desperatos will get theirs," Herr Starr claimed, while the show placed the titles on the trio coming back the way Cassidy left the temple mountain. Except, I don't get why our favourite vampire would be tagged as degenerate, when there's on serving the apocalypse.

Cassidy was never a degenerate and it wasn't his fault that a vampire bit him. More so I don't get why the angel and the demon would bless Jesse, when all they'd been doing has been smacking each other that the poor muslim cafe owner to deal with a pile of corpses.

It's just so wrong. Just like it's wrong for a minister to tell Arseface, "there's no plan for someone like you." Well yeah, in the Preacher's universe, God only cares about one, and the rest can go to oblivion as far as he's concerned. So why God sent the vampire back, healed, and returned to a human form, when he's refusing to do that to Humberdo?

"A second chance," He claimed. I, for one, don't believe it for one second, when He is so willingly going erase the humanity for a degenerated boy. All He needed was Cassidy to keep peace, while the time would run out to the final act. An act of disappointments...

God wasn't interested on his son. He wasn't even interested to bring in full apocalypse. Who knows what He really wants. He told Tulip that he wanted a fight, but he didn't wanted to do it with the Saint of Killers or Jesse. All He wanted was to play with them and then He said, "All I wanted is Genesis."

I'm glad that Jesse figured it out sooner than God said it. Why would He want to fight with a power of a deity?

It was a big satisfaction to finally see the Saint of Killers facing God. Mind full of anger. hands ready to pull out hell forged six shooters, and then he turned, because God showed him a promise of past changed. I don't believe it for one second.

What is going on? Why would a demon turn to a saint all of sudden? This is so weird.

 

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What is going on? ... This is so weird.

Well, you've managed to summarize the whole series in two brief sentences.
Man, I thought for certain that the bucket of blood that God was dumping on Cassidy to revive him was Tulip's blood, and the last drops were going to be followed by Tulip's severed head rolling out.
What made Jesse think that God would allow the Saint of Killers to kill him? Despite the intensity of the Saint's need for revenge, God had only to display his dead child's doll to turn the Saint's murderous rage toward Jesse.
To paraphrase your words of wisdom, WTF?.

 

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Spoiler

What made Jesse think that God would allow the Saint of Killers to kill him? Despite the intensity of the Saint's need for revenge, God had only to display his dead child's doll to turn the Saint's murderous rage toward Jesse.

I cannot really explain anything. Maybe God Almighty just knows everything, and the Saint's weakness was the fluffy bunny. Weird and totally WTF. LOL

Try to explain this to a young one and I'd say WTF is absolutely the best explanation.

 

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Spoiler: S04E10 - End of the World

I really don't know what to say. Well, I do, but I don't want to, just like Cassidy would have said. The reason is, Preacher build up towards massive bang at the end, but it ended up being a flat whistle.

The what you might be calling bang ended up coming from Saint's gun as he ended the God and then sat down on the golden throne to release the aliens in the universe. Before that, according to the Almighty himself, there was no such things. Everything was centred at the Earth.

Why? Don't ask me. Ask Him, except you can, because that one was a fictional God, almost to very end, and He would never come back thanks to the deal Jesse had made. Frankly, a lot of it felt manufactured, and weird.

A Disney like ending. Especially the way Herr Starr's hair became even more magnificent in between the episodes or the fact that Tulip and Jesse lived up to hundred five ... while still being together ... for some reason. Another thing is he didn't had Genesis, as that one was released after Jesse used to manage the God.

Why there had to be final episode where they could show the Genesis being able to manipulate celestial beings and overpower their own 'magic' ... I don't know. In fact, even though the producers did a marvellous job at the end to solve all the loose strands, I still have questions. Like for example why Cassidy chose to avoid and then condemn himself to a fiery death? What happened to the angels? What is happening at the Hell?

 

[Dave]

I gave up asking these questions some time ago. Completely unfathomable.

 

[Foxbat]

I'm still way behind. I've just started season 3. Tulip says she's going to kick God's ass. My money's on Tulip

 

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Spoiler: 4.10 End of the World

Paraphrasing Jesse's Angelville fight emcee line borrowed from Gladiator, "Were you not entertained?"

I was. As much as I had hoped to have everything neatly stitched together in a logical series finale, I wasn't surprised when it didn't.
Preacher is the most unique series I've ever watched. I've never seen humor more darkly expressed.

I enjoy shows that make me struggle to understand them. I may be slower than others, but it this episode did seem to me to contain several revelations.

I had wondered why God had such a convoluted plan to destroy Humanity when, as Jesse said, he could end things on his own. As I now understand it, the Creator simply wasn't getting enough love from his creations, which angered him to the point of insanity.

He had, however, given his Humankind free will, which somehow prevented him from ending us on his own. He apparently could not go back on his promise to Humanity, yet he could ignore his deal with Jesse to stay out of Heaven.

I also didn’t realize that the angel and his demon lover were the parents of Genesis. Funny that the offspring of two subordinate celestial beings would have greater power than the Almighty.

As much as I enjoyed the series, I will probably not add it to my video library. I don’t think I could watch it again just to see what I had missed.

 

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Spoiler: 4.10 End of the World

Paraphrasing Jesse's Angelville fight emcee line borrowed from Gladiator, "Were you not entertained?"

I was. As much as I had hoped to have everything neatly stitched together in a logical series finale, I wasn't surprised when it didn't.
Preacher is the most unique series I've ever watched. I've never seen humor more darkly expressed.

I enjoy shows that make me struggle to understand them. I may be slower than others, but it this episode did seem to me to contain several revelations.

I had wondered why God had such a convoluted plan to destroy Humanity when, as Jesse said, he could end things on his own. As I now understand it, the Creator simply wasn't getting enough love from his creations, which angered him to the point of insanity.

He had, however, given his Humankind free will, which somehow prevented him from ending us on his own. He apparently could not go back on his promise to Humanity, yet he could ignore his deal with Jesse to stay out of Heaven.

I also didn’t realize that the angel and his demon lover were the parents of Genesis. Funny that the offspring of two subordinate celestial beings would have greater power than the Almighty.

As much as I enjoyed the series, I will probably not add it to my video library. I don’t think I could watch it again just to see what I had missed.

Have you read the comics?

 

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I think AMC could have done better job if they would have had scripts for all four seasons. They could have made an effort to make more sense, and give the viewers something to contemplate instead of putting time and effort on making weird weirder. Preacher has put that on eleven, to lend the line from great Spinal Tap movie.

In fact, the weird never stops, but it's not as epic as what you can get from a drummer turning suddenly into a green pea. I, for one, felt that in the Preacher they could have given better explanations to all things spiritual instead of playing with the symbolic images. They could have given better explanations to Grail, AllFather, Angels and Demons, God wanting to have a vacation and see the Creation, J and the mistake, Heaven and Hell ... there's just too many questions left in the air. I don't think they could provide on those things even if AMC would do a movie.

All is left for the audience to decipher. Is it a good thing? With some series, yes, but with the Preacher, no.

Was there any successful jokes in the season 4?

 

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It's Team Jesse versus the Grail, as a vengeful God vows to bring on the apocalypse, in the fourth and final season of Preacher, AMC's adaption of the DC comic series created by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon. It pains me greatly to say this, since I love the show despite its flaws, but this final season is mostly an unfocused, rambling, incoherent mess. Fortunately, it's ultimately redeemed by a satisfying and surprisingly moving finale.

Despite a solid finale, Preacher’s final season was mostly a godawful mess

Alas, much of the season makes very little sense, with characters aimlessly traversing the globe from Masada to Australia and plenty of places in between. It's as if the writers had to produce 10 episodes but only had sufficient material for four or five.

Plus, the writers have taken the show's already over-the-top approach to comic book violence to ridiculous extremes. They're trying so hard to shock, but when you open your series with balls-to-the-wall carnage, it's tough to keep upping the ante without viewers simply become numb to the horrors. I've praised the show in the past for leaning into the crazy without apology, "achieving a perfect tonal mix of horror, humor, and pathos." But the tone has been consistently off this season.

I'm all the more frustrated that so much of this final season proved a joyless slog to watch, because the last two episodes mark a welcome return to Preacher's top form—a reward for anyone who managed to stick with it to the end. It's equal parts funny, horrifying, and emotionally satisfying, especially when it comes to the fates of Jesse, Tulip, and Cassidy. It's a shame that earlier episodes never reach the same level, but at least the series got a solid farewell in the end.

 

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Spoiler: Best Scenes for 3.05 - The Coffin

• Jesse and Tulip vs. Jody and T.C. (including “found object bathroom weaponry”), done to the tune of Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"
• Tulip vs. a bald yet surprisingly robust Gran’ma (which could have used some kicky music of its own)
• Messiah Humperdoo's virtuoso soft-shoe performance for Jaba the Pope
• Cassidy's realization that his hot internet date is a faux vampire, followed by the revelation that she is a member of a group headed by someone who appears to be as bonafide in the vampire department as Cassidy
• Jody's continued property losses -- first his Zippo to Jesse, then his lock-picking pen to Tulip (however will he complete that crossword puzzle?)
• "Marshall" Jesse and the Duke teaming up to gun down nogoodniks in the black-and-white old west

I had thought that simply killing Gran’ma to break the spell she held on Jesse was a little too easy, but I didn't see the life link to Tulip coming.
I didn't understand the science behind Jesse's explosive escape from the coffin. It was only air being pumped to him, not pure oxygen.

Really, really late to this and catching up. I loved this episode with the horror growing from Grandma and those scenes with The Duke. Excellent.

Don't know why I left it so late to get back to this but enjoying it now.

 

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Don't know why I left it so late to get back to this but enjoying it now.

You know that we would have loved for you commenting, but I get that the series isn't for everyone. Who is your favourite character and does the black humour work for you?

 

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Favourite character has to be Herr Starr. He captures all of the ridiculousness of the show and his comic touch is excellent. Black humour at it's best.

However he is just one of many great characters. Tulip, Hitler, The Saint of Killers, Cassidy and I had a soft spot for the two 'Angels' from S1.

 

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I had a soft spot for the two 'Angels' from S1.

You will see them again.