Preacher - Garth Ennis's incredible comic picked up by AMC

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Gravity defying alligator!

Spoiler: S03E03 - Gonna Hurt

I love that Tulip decided to take the action and follow God's order by "taking it on them sonofbitches," and smashing the cleaning person nose in at first sight of Grail's employees. It's hard when you're betrayed, but it's harder when you're betrayed by so called close friend. It really hurts and you have to love them to be able to forgive. In Tulip's case and especially looking at her turmoil past, it is very unlike that she will ever give up in getting a revenge on Grail for putting her into the nirvana AKA Catholic Purgatory.

Thing is I would be seriously disturbed if I'd have been in her shoes and learned that God loves biker chicks. Although that thing is not totally unique as you might recall seeing the Machine Gun Preacher and learning that it's a true story. Maybe God have a soft thing for two wheels that go wroom. Anyways, Tulip's reaction for God sharing His love and expecting her to fail was classic, as well as her confronting God and asking about His plans absolutely fit her character.

If God would have contacted Cassidy instead things might have unravelled differently. He might have taken His Word literally and done his best to make things rights, instead of Tulip shouting after him: "I'm going to catch you and kick your ..."

That was not even the strangest thing, because Cassidy's surgery was even weirder. How could he stood that pain with a smile on his face? It just couldn't be TC's special gas. Strangest thing was that he screamed when Jesse stabbed him with a screwdriver, but not when the carving knife cut his flesh. If it was the gas why it didn't put Cassidy to sleep?

What is the Grandma really doing in the Angelville? Is she feeding on souls to extended her eternal life like Mademe Bauey?

That baby alligator locked on TC's "dingle" has to be the cruelties thing we have seen in this show. I don't know how how you can top that off and we are only in third episode of this season.

What is Angelville and what does the Tombs present?

 

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Tulip's encounter with biker God was the highlight of the episode for me. It came too early and was over too soon. I'll just bet she could kick His ass.
The rest was dreary and dark -- in keeping, I suppose, with the nature of Angelville. The tombs reminded me of the fight scenes in Hell. Cassidy escapes his sunny execution by winning his bout?
I hope this season doesn't spend much more time bogged down on the plantation.{/SPOILER]

 

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I hope this season doesn't spend much more time bogged down on the plantation.

IF the characters speak to their creators, then Jesse's acts are definitely telling that he doesn't like Angelville. Not one bit. But what is it really? A place for voodoo priestesses and their super weird minions?

 

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Spoiler: S03E04 - The Tombs

hell yeah ... um. Well, I'm glad that we finally got to see the Devil and the hell is operated by ancient elevator system. There are only 9 levels. Yet, somehow there are billions of lost souls burning in the hell fire.

I love the fact that Preachers hell most bottom layer is shaped like a fiery skull from the metal album covers. Just look at that and think for a second would Ozzy Osborne be proud to call that as a stage?

It was interesting that the Devil called the Saint of Killers as an angel of death straight from the beginning. What I don't understand is why the Devil sounds like an American sales man rather than all powerful demon that he is supposed to be? Maybe I really shouldn't be questioning it as God looks like a vagrant and it's all about the artists vision.

I cannot remember that I ever saw the devil and Saint of Killers session in the Preacher comics, so I believe that a lot of this is that additional material Garth Ennis said the producers would need. Overall, this season has been much better and more engaging than the last one as I haven't felt bored for any second.

The Preacher is an action packed summer series for anyone horror and speculative fiction lovers. But for the Devil feeling on being responsible for the souls in his possession, the business Jesse has conducted in the Tombs is directly opposite to it, and in the interest of Angel of Death I think he should reveal that Grail and Jesse's Granma are deeply involved in the soul business.

I felt sorry for young Jesse being involved in that dark trade for most of his life. The biggest question for me is does Cassidy have a soul Jesse can collect? If it was in the brown bottle then why it didn't glow like all the other human souls?

Jesse's plan on seeling Cassidy's invulnerability night after another sounded really flimsy. Even the red neck crowd will get tired over the time. So I was really glad to find out that equally grim plan for getting the vampire out was in the works.

If you're shipping out an Irish man how do get him to keep quiet? That one bag was never going to last the time Jesse needs for Cassidy to keep quiet until he reached New Orleans. Through three season we have seen them, Cassidy has never been able to be the silent partner, and Jesse to come up with a good plan. It is as if he is unable to to do what is needed to get out from the bad things shadowing his life.

Like Mademe Bajou said: "The Angelville brings the worst out from him."

He showed how bad it can become when he drove that wooden spike in his friend back. Yet Tulip acted as if she still loved the old preacher. It cannot be all show for Jodey and TC or for Jesse. Another question is: Who is going to be able to stop Saint of Killers this time?

 

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You've got to hand it to Cassidy. He really knows how to think outside the box.

 

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To clarify my statement, I read Garth Ennis interview from the ScifiNow and he said: "I don't think there's enough of material for the TV so you have to improvise." They clearly have done so as a lot of stuff in this and in the last one were taken out from the albums. AMC has done again a marvellous job by listening fans and guiding the producers on making things better. And it has paid back a great deal, because the Third Season is as great as the First One. If you have time check it out!

 

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So I've gone from a person who heard the title to having binge watched the entire Preacher series from 1 to 3! Really liking the gritty dark twisted and every more insane world going on. However I've got one thought that's been bugging me for a while now.

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In series 1 Emily (Preachers assistant in the church) finds out that Cassidy is a vampire and suddenly goes from feeding him live animals (with her acceptance of him being a vampire being quite the surprise) to calling on the town mayor and feeding him to Cassidy. What I can't get is why she chooses him of all people, considering that she knew nothing of his dark dealings with Quincannon, save for his plans for the church. Esp since the mayor had only ever helped her with her life and kids even though she'd rejected his advances continually and he'd never pressed the issue.
It just seems such a random event for her character unless I've missed something

 

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Cassidy is a vampire and suddenly goes from feeding him live animals (with her acceptance of him being a vampire being quite the surprise) to calling on the town mayor and feeding him to Cassidy. What I can't get is why she chooses him of all people, considering that she knew nothing of his dark dealings with Quincannon, save for his plans for the church. Esp since the mayor had only ever helped her with her life and kids even though she'd rejected his advances continually and he'd never pressed the issue.
It just seems such a random event for her character unless I've missed something

That's Garth Ennis. If you read the comics you will quickly realised that he had a lot of side-characters and not much of meat over them. And some he wrote in purely for the shocking purposes. More so then even in the TV show, where they have extended some of the plays a great deal. In the current season you should realise that Jesse is far from the good guy or the bad guy trying to be a good guy and like in the comic, what happened to his town is just another line in the long line of sins that the Angel of Death is going to prosecute him for.

But, the soul business wasn't his invention, even though it might be the item that will send him to directly to meet Satan. I suspect Grail and The Heaven with false god has been in it for a while and that is something that angered The Almighty so much that he left the business.

I also think that Emily saw Cassidy as a way to solve a lot of problems.

 

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I rather like learning more of Jessy in the TV series and the steady revelation that the darkness we see creeping more and more out of him isn't really Gemini within him, but rather a lot of what his past has resulted in making him be. As you say he is far from a saint and is very prone to violent outbursts - however as we see more of his past it quickly becomes apparent why some of those things come to be. He is essentially a good person steadily turned dark through a lot of other dark characters actions and influences upon him. There is a strong feeling of darkness breeds darkness - evil breeds evil - going on in the series.

As for Emily I'm still conflicted on her actions, they seem very sudden and unexpected from her, esp as up till that point she's been a sane, normal upstanding person. We don't really see her "crack" or go mad or have any reason to suspect she's got a dark streak in her enough to start feeding people to a vampire.

 

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As for Emily I'm still conflicted on her actions, they seem very sudden and unexpected from her, esp as up till that point she's been a sane, normal upstanding person. We don't really see her "crack" or go mad or have any reason to suspect she's got a dark streak in her enough to start feeding people to a vampire.

I can only ask, if you had a chance to get rid of someone who you think is truly evil and there's a vampire, who you seem to have fallen into, wouldn't you use the opportunity to do some good?

 

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Aye that I can agree to, but from what I remember, at that point in the story the Mayor wasn't all that evil. From what I can really the only act he's done that she dislikes at that point is siding with the Powerplant and having the Church torn down; now that's nasty but not outright evil. The action with the Green company isn't known to her; meanwhile the Mayors other acts are mostly supporting her - helping with her kids, helping her around the house and generally being a hanging-on attempted boyfriend to her. He doesn't even push against her much when she rejects him, just takes it on the nose and continues helping her in hope.

That's why I find her choice so hard to understand

 

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Spoiler: S03E05 - The Coffin

I love that Tulip identified Jesse's Grandma as "the Bad Bitch" and identified that the solution for the problem would be "shooting her." Maybe in her world the gun has always been a solution as long as she has bullets. Which makes her possessing Killer of Saint's six shooters interesting, because they're what we call as "Hollywood Magical," with "neverending bullets." It's too bad that she no longer has them, because they certainly could put the Grandma down for good.

Maybe even send her directly into the Hell for a personal appointment with the old horned one. If she didn't had Jodye and TC protecting her, I believe that someone would had taken her down a long time ago, voodoo witch or not.

But thing is, I believe there is also something more about her connecting to all celestial business then the soul business. Who knows how long she has stayed on Earth already?

Who is Allfather and why Herr Starr is kissing his ass? Out of all Authorities, God figures, Demons and The Preacher, he is the one who gets Starr to quiver in his boots from the moment the absolutely enormous, pompous Allfather filled Starr's fruit company monitor. Yet, this person was a human and not one from the Heaven or even the Hell.

How did he got in that place?

To be honest, seeing this episode and Jesse ending in the sunken coffin made me to wish that Herr Starr would give Jesse his soul back, because God's Voice would be a great weapon against TC, Judith and Granma. I for one know what I would say to the old lady.

Maybe the strangest thing is the vampire dating app being reality. I just wish that they wouldn't live in the New Orleans, because it'll make me automatically to think Anne Rice's vampires. So, I'm glad that the first victim turned out to be a false one.

For being a woman tied to the wheelchair Grandma were surprisingly mobile creature. Too bad Tulip couldn't understand that the moment she put Miss Marie down, she lost the mystical connection to life. God certainly was disapproving her action.

 

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Herr Starr's strength comes from not only having little to no empathy for others, but also being very self serving, self centred and prepared to go to even perverse lengths to get what he wants. He's also not afraid to rock the boat. Consider that he got to his current position basically by assassination of his competing fellow and his superior. He has likely retained his position and strengthened it by similar means as well as through the fact that the ranks below him are highly indoctrinated to follow their superiors.

Also when we see the Devils and Angles they are, whilst powerful, almost child-like in some of their qualities. Even the ones in Hell show a certain level of naivety. It's either their nature or also possibly a result of a very long life with little change to otherwise quite rigid ways of living. I suspect that when someone like Herr Starr enters a position of power with them it gives him tools and means to influence them.

I suspect that whilst Herr Starr has very strong control of those under him; those above are another matter. He's only in control of one wing of the Order and it might well be that the Allfather has his own branch of personal staff (Inquisitors?) who come with their own powers and strengths. Such a system might even have stopped Herr Star rising further in the organisation in the past, so some of that fear might be from a failed power struggle. It might even be that the Allfather knows of ways to kill that don't send you to Heaven or Hell - since I suspect some of Herr Star's strength now comes from the solid knowledge that if he dies he's got allies on both sides (well lets be honest at least in Hell) so that he'd not simply be put into torture.

Edit - thinking on it more if Herr Starr is allied with underlings then the Allfather might well be allied with the Devil himself. That would explain his joy at the Saviours mental state and the desire to see the world burn. Herr Starr seems to crave (outside of perversion) order and control; and he is quite capable of great evil. However I do wonder if even with all that, he's not out to burn the world itself. Ergo he might not want to destroy the world or see the Devil win, but he would craft a world built on control, order and with him at the top (if in the background)

 

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Allfather has his own branch of personal staff (Inquisitors?) who come with their own powers and strengths

To me it looked like they were wearing St George's Cross and if that's true, then they would be Templar Knights. In a weird way it makes sense because Templars are supposed to be holding the Grail and knowing how Garth Ennis was into all things weird and shocking, that sort of secret society makes sense.

It might even be that the Allfather knows of ways to kill that don't send you to Heaven or Hell - since I suspect some of Herr Star's strength now comes from the solid knowledge that if he dies he's got allies on both sides (well lets be honest at least in Hell) so that he'd not simply be put into torture.

Nice. Weirdly there hasn't been much of Hellish stuff. I cannot be absolutely certain that Allfather is part of the Hell Inc. When you see them they're very orgnised and neat, instead of being chaotic. If Hitler is part of the fast food chain and works as a waiter, he didn't get very far from his captors.

 

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Spoiler: Best Scenes for 3.05 - The Coffin

• Jesse and Tulip vs. Jody and T.C. (including “found object bathroom weaponry”), done to the tune of Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"
• Tulip vs. a bald yet surprisingly robust Gran’ma (which could have used some kicky music of its own)
• Messiah Humperdoo's virtuoso soft-shoe performance for Jaba the Pope
• Cassidy's realization that his hot internet date is a faux vampire, followed by the revelation that she is a member of a group headed by someone who appears to be as bonafide in the vampire department as Cassidy
• Jody's continued property losses -- first his Zippo to Jesse, then his lock-picking pen to Tulip (however will he complete that crossword puzzle?)
• "Marshall" Jesse and the Duke teaming up to gun down nogoodniks in the black-and-white old west

I had thought that simply killing Gran’ma to break the spell she held on Jesse was a little too easy, but I didn't see the life link to Tulip coming.
I didn't understand the science behind Jesse's explosive escape from the coffin. It was only air being pumped to him, not pure oxygen.

 

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Considering that Cassidy has been around for quite some time, is clearly decently connected in the vampire world and appears to have a richer family member back in Ireland able to bank-roll him for quite some time I'm surprised its taken this long for something from the Vampire world to come into the series. Esp since they left the sleepy no-name town in the middle of nowhere and are now travelling the world. Then again being a perpetual drunk/druggy might well mean that whilst Cassidy knows a fair bit he's likely burned a lot of vampire bridges for favours to call on. Still this might mean we get a bit more info on the whole vampire world!

 

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A couple of additions:
I was amused to note the brand name of the cigarettes * Jesse was smoking, considering who was featured in his western hallucination.
I was delighted to recognize Malcolm Barrett, who played Rufus on Timeless, as Herr Starr's henchman, F.J. Hoover. Good to know that he's still getting a paycheck.

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Pilgrims

 

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I was amused to note the brand name of the cigarettes * Jesse was smoking, considering who was featured in his western hallucination.

Yeah. Those John Wayne hallusinations became a part of him in the comics and Pilgrim fits so very well into his image. There is so much of symbolism in the Preacher that it's honestly quite unbelievable. AMC certainly has learned over the years to have a keen eye on the details.

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I believe John Wayne is directly associated to Genesis, the Voice of the God

 

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Spoiler: S03E06 - Les Enfants du Sang

Finally we got to see how bad Arseface's life had become after he escaped Hell. The second stop the Killer of Saint's talked about has to be Hitler. But there is one thing, why Angel of Death chose to go through the administration, if he's point was only to collect Eugene? Even bigger surprise was that after he threw the administrator through the wall, nobody else tried to stop him even though the authorities orphan home looked like an open prison.

I for one would have wanted to escape its clutches. Then again it wasn't even the biggest thing Eccarus turned out to be another bloody vampire. I felt Cassidy's fear for being forever locked as a prisoner for the Children of Night. I admit that Harry Potter fans got upset for Eccarus to eat the owl. Although I assume that plenty of sex is going to be offered for a chance of immortal life, our Irish Vampire could have done better if he'd stayed with the Preacher.

Eccarus acted like Anne Rice's classical vampires. He even used similar language to infamous Lestat, telling Cassidy that it's rare to meet another one. Maybe there is a hint of truth in that but Cassidy has shown evidence that the Irish Clan is far larger than Eccarus Children of the Night. But, how is it that Cassidy doesn't posses Eccarus powers for transformation, flight, speed and suggestion?

Could it be possible that he's a different species to Cassidy's own sire?

Learning that the Bank of Bayou is using saliva as a biometric measure shocked me. It is cross to think how many people have been slopping over the meter, exchanging bacteria and God know what else in the contact. But in its weirdness it perfectly fits all of the obscenity in the Preacher world. The only normal thing about the bank job was Tulip social engineering visit. It was done to absolute perfection, which is kind of strange taken that her father was a total loser when it came to these things.

Maybe the positive thing in all of her planning was the police response time was clocked at seven minutes, which in terms of a bank job is luxurious amount. Usually the officials tries their very best to keep on the five-minute response time to keep everyone cool. Funnier thing was that the method to cause distraction was TC flip around the town with a goat.

LOL. Was this the reason why TC is wearing an angle tracker?

In the real world I don't think kissing would be a very effective method for acquiring an uncontaminated sample of saliva from a target person. It just would never work. Most probably case I think of it working is Tulip putting gun on the manager's head and force him to open all safety deposit boxes.

It wasn't a real surprise that Grandma, TC and Judy turned on Jesse afterwards. The souls really renewed Ms Maureen's spirits, making her probably to be able live as long as the vampires by consuming one soul at the time. If Grandma would know that Jesse's soul is the most valuable of them all, wouldn't she demand him to be strapped in the chair to be consumed on her pleasure?

One last question: Why is it that everytime we see Cassidy he's wearing a different costume?

 

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Can I just say that I have no idea where this story is going, but that it continues to fascinate me, and I'm along for the journey whatever the destination?

Spoiler: Saliva

Saliva contains cheek cells which contain DNA. The lock must work on DNA. It will only need some of the correct DNA to be present to work. It will not matter how much extraneous DNA is present in the sample.