Game of Thrones: 6.01 - The Red Woman

[Koopa]

He probably means how the bloodstains looks after his body is dragged away.

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Only if you squint real hard in my opinion. I read some people also speculating about Jon's blood, kings blood and what not. But i think if Jon get resurrected by Mel's hands it will have more to do with Mel's red gem and its powers than with king's blood.

Mel getting old, keep me wondering why? Last time she took off her necklace, she didn't go old. Is it merely because she lost faith? I read that some people remember a scene in which queen selyse talks to Mel in her old form. if that is true, then what happened right before. Did she just perform some magic taking it's toll on her? If so, it might mean Mel is working some magic right now.

However, whilst i want Jon Snow to live, i would actually rather not have it be by mel's hands. I know Grrm (and therefor the show) like to show every character is capable of good and evil, but mel and her god aren't high on my list. I'd rather see Bran (and ghost) ressurrect Jon through their magic. Or as i saw on youtube, it might have something to do with

Spoiler: Heritage

Jon possible being a Targaryen and possible be reborn through fire

As for Arya, you do wonder what the faceless men want from her, seeing as they continue to train her, whilst she continues to be unable to let fully go of her stark persona.

 

[Dave]

Firstly, they cannot be spoilers if no one actually knows otherwise it is just specualtion.

The bloodstain looks more like a T Rex tail and head than a Dragon.

Is this the prime theory then - that Melisandra is Jon's real mother, and that she is also Targaryen? And so he is too, and that she, with her maternal love, will transfer her magical Gem-given youth to him, and that his spirit has been meanwhile kept alive within Ghost. It all seems a little too complicated to me. If GRMM had planned this from the beginning of writing the series, surely there will be a much cleaner and simpler explanation? Or maybe Jon is just REALLY dead?

 

[Koopa]

First i heard of that theory. Plenty of theories going around. One of them being that Jon is the child of Lyanna and Rhaegar. And even if that wasn't the case, the legitimized king in the north by Robb Stark. Meaning his blood is kings blood. And as Melisandre has often stated, there is power in King's blood.
So people are speculating his ressurection mght have something to do with that as well. Another is that meisandre storyline is following that other red priest arch, of losing faith and then finding newfound powers of ressurection. Another is that she will use the powers of her gem to ressurect Jon Snow. Anoher is that Jon's soul has been temporally transferred to Ghost and will be put back in Jon's body. If so the show didn't quite show that, but who knows. Another has to do with Bran and possible ghost as well. There are no doubt other theories as well. So plenty theories going around, including that Jon is simply dead. I'm guessing yours is just a bungled bringing together of all the theories you've heard about.

 

[Ste-Pe]

Koopa, thanks for posting the picture of the blood stain for me. Can't see it either, but some people are keen for it

Just a couple of thoughts - could Mel becoming old coincide with the exact moment stannis died? (She was leeching her power from him to keep her young which ran out when he died)

More Jon resurrection ideas:

They burn his body but is brought back to life by the flames (similar to dany ish?)

Or he becomes a white walker, but is much more in 'command' of himself thanks to his kings blood

 

[ctg]

Jon is the child of Lyanna and Rhaegar. And even if that wasn't the case, the legitimized king in the north by Robb Stark. Meaning his blood is kings blood.

There's no doubt in my mind about Jon has king's blood running in his veins. He and that poor blacksmith - they dropped couple of season ago - have a very particular linage of both being orphans, and at same time ******* son's of Rob's adventures with "other women." Not just prostitutes but anyone who he got his fingers around. So maybe there's more than one candidate and king's blood run in number of people.

But we should also bear in mind that from this episode onwards it's not GRRM's story but Benioff's and Weiss' depiction on what George revealed to them about the plot. It's their ideas on how this will run from now on, and it might be likely they have adapted some of the interesting speculations for rest of these episodes. And if Jon is raised from the dead, it better happen soon because the Winter has arrived and with it, death to the mankind.

To be honest, the way I see it, is that for five seasons they have directed us towards certain culmination of events, where the dead play a major role. I don't know what Night's Kings end game is, but it cannot be good. All I can think about it is that he and Daeneryen's are like Yin and Yang to each other. And the rest are great players in the end game. All having a role to fulfil.

In that, I can imagine Jon being a champion for the Night's Kings army. But at this moment - while he's lying on that table waiting to be raised - he could as well being one of the faces those mysterious Faceless store in their crypts, and through Arya they could be used as avatars - ones to strike a stake in the Iron Throne.

Then again the story HBO producers are putting out, can be so vastly different from whatever George chooses to push through his publisher's - whenever he's ready - that we should just enjoy the show, because it's simply the best (adult) Epic Fantasy series ever produced on the small screen.

That's all, and as a note, "George has pages." So it's all good.

 

[Koopa]

I think you typed to quickly, making it sound like Jon is a ******* of Robert as well, which isn't the case ofc.
As for Jon becoming the Night's King it's definitely a possibility as well.

 

[Mr Orange]

thought it was a good first episode but left me wanting more, in a "that wasn't satisfactory" kind of way.

they basically took all the cliffhangers from the last episode of season 5 and said, so here's what happened. which was fine, but they could have left some of them until ep 2 and focussed on the ones they covered a bit more.

i think the rather abrupt Dorne cutoff was definitely in response to it being a pretty unpopular storyline last season. really disappointed that Areo got killed so easily though. he was such a mean fighter in the books. and i think it would have been a nice angle if Jamie had killed Tristane. instead of the sandsnakes racing up to Kings Landing to do it.

and there's a lot of people linked to the show saying that Jon Snow is definitely dead and not coming back. but then, as people above have said, maybe it isn't Jon Snow that is coming back...

was also disappointed there wasn't anything about the iron islands.

 

[Eversummer]

So...in this season, the readers and non-readers are in the same page, same pace. Everything are all speculations, none are concrete...yet.

Jon's death, if true, imho is purposeless and very shallow in comparison to the death of the other characters (i.e. Robb at the gruesome Red Wedding). yeah, we get it that its for the Night's Watch as Ser Alliser had pointed out...but still it just doesn't seem right. It has to be the buildup of something big and what have you.

I've seen other discussions and I had just come back in the Chrons after a self-imposed hiatus to pursue my studies.

Melisandre had been described as centuries old.... Why did she seem to be surprised that Thoros of Myr had been able to resurrect Lord Beric from the dead? Or it is a sign for her to revive her career in reanimating corpses as it is finally back on the table? Ooh! Btw I wondered why Quaithe had been left out in the series.

On Jon's parentage...I truly think that the tale of Lyanna and The Last Dragon had been heavily romanticized and we were like Sansa who kept on believing the songs. XD
Robert may be right that Lyanna had been raped but by the Mad King. Rhaegar was far too noble and in love with his wife to force himself on the so-called She-Wolf of the North.

(excuse my English, I'm not really a native speaker. Thanks for reading!)

 

[ctg]

I think you typed to quickly, making it sound like Jon is a ******* of Robert as well, which isn't the case ofc.

I wrote it very late. Could barely see the screen by the time I finished. Sorry.

 

[Brian G Turner]

Interesting to see Brienne finally catch up with Sansa. Also interesting for Bolton to lay out the situation to the son - he's lost both the heir of Winterfell and the Iron Lands. Who was that with Brienne, though - Podrick?

Dany - didn't she meet the Dothraki while with a dragon?? What happened there?? The "ohh, you'll be sent off to some mysterious place" felt like a poor use of an old trope. The Dany storyline should have a better source of conflict than that.

Tyrion and Varys together! Good to see - I stopped watching mid 4th season so I'm not sure how Varys ended up in Mereen, but glad to see him working with Tyrion.

Also, how was Stannis believed to have died? And was it a convincing death, or was it left open-ended as in the books?

Melissandre being revealed as old didn't really feel like a cliff-hangar, though it raised questions.

Dorne - personally, I couldn't care less about anything happening there - Elia was a background element to the plot, the sand snakes are just a digression IMO.

Overall, looking forward to seeing how the plot develops, but if we have any more torture scenes I'll be using the fast-forward button.

 

[Brian G Turner]

I forgot to mention - Arya - looks like she's met again with Syrio Forel.

EDIT: Wait, no it's not - just the Waif. Shame.