Arya is the Valonqar

Anushka Mokosh said:
I've been toying with this idea and I would like it very much if it were so. It is plausible and makes sense. But it would be more fun if she warged into that old black tomcat Arya was chasing in book 1 and we all assumed was Rhaenys's Balerion. It would be more fun if it were because that tomcat has already been bothering Tommen and his kittens.

I agree with the general sentiment that we shouldn't use the TV Show to try and dismantle book related theories. TV Show already diverged a lot.
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I think she may warg into one of the cats in order to get past the KG and get to Tommen
 
Anushka Mokosh said:
Balerion The Cat has been doing that repeatedly already. Tommen even made KG chase him, but they had little success.
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And Arya has already used warging into a cat. The more I think about this, the more I think it's not very crackpotty at all.
 
The Imp said:
And Arya has already used warging into a cat. The more I think about this, the more I think it's not very crackpotty at all.
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Yup yup. Plus, she already conquered that cat in a sense when she caught him in book 1. The only person to catch him as of lately.
 
Arya her warging abilities are great, but i don't think they're greater than Bran's though.

I was in the midst of posting an essay on why I believe Bran's raw ability and mastery is still greater than arya (even with arya capable of moving whilst warging) when i gave up on it thanks to my own incompetence of making sense. My thinking has a lot to do with Bloodraven, him choosing Bran for a reason, Third eye, passing of knowledge, and what not.
 
I like this idea very much and have considered it myself. You all know Arya is my girl and Cersei has also been at the top of her list. Cersei (and Joffery) took away everyone she loved. She has always had the heart of a killer deep down and now she is receiving the training. Not too sure about your details here Imp but yes I do believe Arya will end Cersei.

I completely agree that she will never be no one. Needle remains hidden, not destroyed or thrown away. When she (or maybe even Jaqan) feels she is ready Arya Stark of Winterfell will retrieve it and go about her business, top of the list, killing Cersei.
 
Needle said:
I like this idea very much and have considered it myself. You all know Arya is my girl and Cersei has also been at the top of her list. Cersei (and Joffery) took away everyone she loved. She has always had the heart of a killer deep down and now she is receiving the training. Not too sure about your details here Imp but yes I do believe Arya will end Cersei.

I completely agree that she will never be no one. Needle remains hidden, not destroyed or thrown away. When she (or maybe even Jaqan) feels she is ready Arya Stark of Winterfell will retrieve it and go about her business, top of the list, killing Cersei.
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It could obviously happened in many ways, but I think the scenario that I suggested elegantly covers two parts of the Maggy the Frog prophecy, and provides an easy way for her to get toTommen, a way that she has used before, that is, warging into a cat. It gives her easy access to Tommen, and then to Cersei. There are obviously a myriad of possibilities, so many different things that could happen, but this Theory feels "right" to me.
 
The Imp said:
It could obviously happened in many ways, but I think the scenario that I suggested elegantly covers two parts of the Maggy the Frog prophecy, and provides an easy way for her to get toTommen, a way that she has used before, that is, warging into a cat. It gives her easy access to Tommen, and then to Cersei. There are obviously a myriad of possibilities, so many different things that could happen, but this Theory feels "right" to me.
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It feels right to me that Arya may well be the Valonqar. We also know she has somewhat of an affinity with cats and the ability to warg into them. I think she may well use a cat (Ser Pounce or even better the old black tom) to get inside the keep to watch, to see, but I don't see how a cat could be lethal enough to actually kill Tommen or anyone. And yes I have cats! If they were big enough I have no doubt they would have eaten me at some point! But the fact remains they are small and have no thumbs!

Here's a thought: The Mountain. He is essentially dead, and none to bright to begin with, but certainly lethal. Probably an easy warg. Also at this point the only one Cersei trusts.
 
She could use the cat to sneak poison into his food - or maybe just a poisoned cat scratch. Or she wouldn't have to warg at all, she could put a poison that absorbs through the skin on the cat's fur and let him stroke himself to death - I think that would work if she only dipped the poison into the tip of the cat's fur.
 
Or just leave Ser Pounce's poisoned corpse where Tommen would be likely to find it...

Edit: Just realised how awful that sounds next to a photograph of my cat!!! Sorry Fitz!!
 
It is an elegant theory. I do still have a little trouble accepting that little brother would be her youngest son rather than either her youngest or littlest brother. Arya could still be involved either way. To be fair though the prophecy was not YOUR little brother.
 
Judderman said:
It is an elegant theory. I do still have a little trouble accepting that little brother would be her youngest son rather than either her youngest or littlest brother. Arya could still be involved either way. To be fair though the prophecy was not YOUR little brother.
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DG Jones said:
Don't forget the Mountain has a certain little brother as well...
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when I form a crackpot Theory I try to think outside of the box and come up with something that might be a bit outrageous but entirely plausible. For instance I have a crackpot Theory which says that Ned Stark is still alive.

I understand that the Hound is a younger brother, but I think it's just too'obvious' to be called crackpot.

Arya has been praying to the many-faced God for years Kama although she didn't really know that that's who she was praying to. I think she will get to kill the people that are on her list, therefore I think it's quite plausible that she will kill cersei. Even without the faceless man thing comma let's not forget that she passed as a boy for a long time on her way North, and she's good easily be mistaken for a boy if she cuts her hair and dresses up the right way. She wouldn't even need to use their faceless man training, although I think that my original Theory uses elements of the story woven together to form a plausible possibility.

The one thing I'm having problems with is if she were to warg into one of the cats and kill Tommen, she would still need to get access to the body in order to use his face. I suppose once he's dead she could create a distraction since the kingsguard would no longer be interested in protecting him. There might be a small window of opportunity between the time she kills him and the time that Cersei could potentially find out.

It's not perfect, but for me at least it's fun to think about.
 
I might be a little behind on the crackpot theories, and I am WAY behind in the show (not that it matters too much) but is it possible that Arya gets her hands on Myrcella, kills her in secret, and takes her face? then she could be welcomed home with open arms and if she is acting a little strange its just because she has been away for a while and also got her face cut up. Then once inside the castle and with free reign, Arya kills Tommen (just as an extra punishment to Cersei) before revealing herself and killing cersei. (she would have to reveal herself so that Cersei truly suffers as much as possible)

just a thought. But we do know that both Tommen and Myrcella are supposed to die before Cersei.
 
I agree with the general consensus that Tommen is on the Sand Snakes' list. I know the show got brought up a few times in here, and while I agree with leaving this as more a book discussion, I do just want to point out the obvious age differences between the book and the show, specifically Tommen. Tommen is somewhere between Rickon's and Bran's ages if I remember correctly. He's still a little kid when he marries Margaery, and is easily manipulated to adore her with her gift of kittens, and not a gift of marital consummation.

As for Arya being the Valonqar, I think it's a really interesting theory. She's certainly leveling up in FM training, which means that she'll know 1) how to kill and 2) how to take a face. So really I don't see trying to get close to Cersei as being an issue. Get close to someone she trusts, take his/her face, and go to town.

Personally though, I still think/hope the Valonqar is going to be Jaime.
 
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