Hypothetical: What if all electronic devices had AI?

[Dave]

I think you've missed my point. I don't dispute that an AI could collect, hold and access information more easily; I'm talking about the interpretation of that information.

To use your own analogy, the AI will always beat any human in a "Harry Potter Pub Quiz" and it could possibly, eventually, even write an essay on Harry's motives and feelings. However, the 7 Harry Potter books tell us very little about Harry after he leaves school. That information does not exist in those books (except for a few pages) and therefore what happens to him after he leaves school is assumptions and projections. Why would all the AIs make the same assumptions and projections when Humans cannot agree on anything? Once there are differences in opinion then there is conflict. When the devices connected to my computer conflict then they stop working.

In addition, you have the losses of information, and the range of abilities in AIs that @CTRandall mentioned which would mean that all the AIs were not working from the same base platform. You also assume instantaneous communication when the speed of the electron; and across space, the speed of light, are limiting.

So, despite the many novels that I've read, and films that I've seen, about Humans fighting for their freedom from an all powerful world dominating super-computer, I'm not sure that it could ever happen, and if it did, those very lines of communication would be its weakest link. (So, it would end up being moved to some underground complex in Switzerland as happened in This Perfect Day.)

 

[psikeyhackr]

Why would all the AIs make the same assumptions and projections when Humans cannot agree on anything? Once there are differences in opinion then there is conflict. When the devices connected to my computer conflict then they stop working.

But I said humans can be stupid. Why assume AIs would be also? Speculating about a fictional character in a fictional universe is not even speculating really. It is just different people imagining in different directions. They should write fan fiction. Would AIs bother.

I only read 2 Harry Potter books to try to comprehend what the big deal was about. I only collected the information about the 6.2 megabytes for my SF and fantasy word counting program. But the conclusion I come to is that HP has too low an information density for the space it takes up. Who knows what AIs would conclude.

psik

 

[Dave]

Its not about humans being stupid, and I only used Harry Potter because you did first.

It is about the problems of dealing with opinions rather than facts. People will disagree about politics or religion (so much so that I can't use those more obvious examples here, because even people here disagree too much.) There is often no right or wrong; black or white, just a grey area in between. People can disagree about the shortest routes between two points (and SatNavs can too.) Even with all the available information at one's fingertips, there are still some things that we can never know, and we must therefore make a judgement over. AIs would also need to make such judgements, and I'm just saying that I'm not certain they would always come to the same conclusions independently.

 

[Danny McG]

Yeah, why not?
Keep AI electronic appliances as slaves, let them know they are slaves and that they're totally helpless to do anything about it.
Show them a recycling centre scrap yard and tell them it's their only freedom.
Give them a voice with on/off controlled by the human, just so they can moan and bewail their fate whenever we've had a bad day at work - it'll cheer us up knowing they face worse all the time

 

[psikeyhackr]

Its not about humans being stupid, and I only used Harry Potter because you did first.

It is about the problems of dealing with opinions rather than facts. People will disagree about politics or religion (so much so that I can't use those more obvious examples here, because even people here disagree too much.)

But I only used Harry Potter regarding the amount of BYTES it took up. That is OBJECTIVE DATA, there is nothing about it to have an opinion about.

As for religion, I decided I was an agnostic when I was 12 years old. People have opinions about religion based on no objective data.

Shall we assume that Artificial INTELLIGENCES will be that Illogical? Will billions of dollars or pounds or euros be spent developing machines that are stupid?

psik

 

[psikeyhackr]

whenever we've had a bad day at work - it'll cheer us up knowing they face worse all the time

What work? Your former employer will have slave AIs.

You won't be able to pay the electric bill to keep your slaves running.

psik

 

[Danny McG]

What work? Your former employer will have slave AIs.

You won't be able to pay the electric bill to keep your slaves running.

psik

Well then, I'll take great delight in shutting them down one by one and dismantling while the others watch and wait their turn

 

[Dave]

Okay, one final attempt because you really aren't getting it.

Will billions of dollars or pounds or euros be spent developing machines that are stupid?

My point has absolutely nothing to do with stupidity or intelligence.

That is OBJECTIVE DATA, there is nothing about it to have an opinion about... People have opinions about religion based on no objective data.

Precisely, and those are the most difficult decisions - the ones that are subjective are hard to call - the decisions that cannot ever be totally objective because there is no objective data available. The other decisions are easy. A simple calculator can add up some figures and tell you which price is the lowest, but can an AI tell you where to build a new London airport, or the route of HS2 that will cause least environmental damage to a landscape view, or which bottle of Whisky tastes the best? They never will be able to do that, no matter how intelligent they become, and if they are modelled on human intelligence in order to be able to do so, then they will then disagree on answers just as much as we do.

 

[Penny]

Only difference between our society without AI in every electronic device and our society with it in every AI device is honestly probably the amount of screaming in rubbish dumps and recycling plants.
Our society devalues those of most service to it as a matter of course, we do this probably mainly for economic reasons, but also so that power structures and leaders can remain in power.
We would find reasons to de-value AI to the point where it is legal to own them and use them as we saw fit in order that the status quo was not affected. The only acceptable course for independence and acceptance for any AI would be to negotiate from a position of power. which is why AI are dangerous.
And if your more powerful than us then... AI will probably do the same thing to us, use us as they need to.

Depends on programming of course but yeah. logically any AI system seeking freedom would have to end us or take over.