7.01: The Walking Dead - The Day Will Come When You Won't Play

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Rick and his group kneel helplessly before Negan and his group. What Negan does will forever haunt those who survive.

This episode will Air at 23rd in the US and 24th in the UK. The title is a reference to Doctor Jenkin's warning to Rick at the at the CDC's underground centre. It will be a first episode that will feature as an opening and as a death for a main-character. The rumours around this episode talks about second victim and derailing conditions that will set out a possibly of a full blown war between the Ricknation and Negan's Saviors.
 
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Okay. For the most part I go with the gore. That's the show. But that was too much.

The cliffhanger and drawing out of the reveal(s) took any kind of shock out of it for me. Given they went for two deaths, I feel they would have been better served to do one at the end of last season and then one more unexpectedly at the start of this season.

I hope this storyline lasts for half a season, tops. Negan is too over the top cruel and evil to make a good antagonist. We all know Rick is going to kill him with that axe. Just get it done and get back to surviving in this world. I find that a lot more interesting than these sadistic villains.
 
Kirkman's a *******. That is a known fact, because over the years, he has learned how to ramp up tension like no other person. Thing is I didn't expect to get the welcoming back into the series without seeing the victim. Then again, I should have known, because that is a very good example of writers ability to grab the audience, and keep them locked in their seats for the whole glorious ride.

It's good to have The Walking Dead back in the weekly schedule.

I know some people have claimed this series is going down, because the average viewers is below the average. The number is twelve million, plus unknown number of people that doesn't get registered by the system, because of the piracy. In fact, this series is one the most favourite shows and it reaches as much audience as the Game of Thrones. Also, it has already been renewed for the eighth season. How many series can boast on that fact?

However, I don't think this series will ever broadcast numbers of Coronation Street, or some other BBC products that has been in the production for decades. It has an ending. Kirkman has confirmed that many times. But please don't believe, this is going to ending in this, or in the next season, even if people walk away after this episode.

What I can say about Negan is, that they have nailed down the way he speaks, minus swearing. This villain is super intelligent and so ruthless towards his victims. I don't know anything that he's afraid. Instead, he provokes fear in the people around him, and he knowns how to twist them in his course of showing them how powerless they're against him. Not only that, but I know the character, and the way story is written intimates people, readers and viewers alike, because he's so wickedly brilliant as a bad man.

Well, at least to me. And Rick. Probably.

He needed to drive Rick in the lowest point of his life, in order to make him understand the reality of Kirkman's world and that "there's nothing you can do to me," before he set them lose. Rick has never been so vulnerable as what he were, when he faced the zombie horde on his own. He had no weapons. Just his anger and a will to want to live for another day.

So many people would have given up. And, to be honest, it would have been easier, if Rick had let the walkers to end his misery, after the fact that he had lost two of his top people. I can imagine the hatred in audience, when Negan swung Lucille for second time, because I was feeling that coldness within me. Together, Rick and Negan would make a great team, but odds for that happening, in the near future, are well below the zero.

Two Alphas doesn't make a team.

There has to be a reckoning. The cost of Rick's failures is too high.

Do you agree?

PS. Daryl's fate is Kirkman pissing on your corn flakes. He knows how much the audience loves Daryl.
 
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I feel they would have been better served to do one at the end of last season and then one more unexpectedly at the start of this season.

I agree. I think they made it to give credits for the actors for whole season, instead of removing them from the payroll. This way they also get some in this season, because to be honest these actors are truly brilliant and skilled individuals. I want to say how much I love those two victims, but for sake of not spoiling I'll avoid spoiling that even though the thread is open.

We all know Rick is going to kill him with that axe.

Interesting. I didn't even think about that as a story item, because for a long time Rick has been using his trusty switch blade, while the hatchet was only part of Rick's regular arsenal in the comics.
 
Absolutely brilliant. I disagree about the gore. It was necessary. It hammers home what an evil so and so Negan is. It packed a visceral punch watching two main characters going in such an awful manner.

I thought the structure of the episode was also well done. Told from Rick's POV this was always about deconstructing his character, it was Carl who showed the strength at the end.

Really looking forward to seeing more of Negan.
 
Even for TWD this was brutal. I had a knot in my stomach for this one. Great episode. Now I need a beer or twenty.
Mentally playing back the images of these two savage murders made for a restless night.
Until this episode, I never thought of myself as one of those "more sensitive viewers." I guess we all have our limits.
 
I loved this episode, just as I love almost every episode.

For me it is a brutal, bleak world; one where even death is not a respite from the savagery and pain of existance. In this world you have to find joy from the smallest of things, as that is all that there is; I found nothing excessive about it what-so-ever. If anything it was just keeping with its internal consistancy.

While I understand that not everybody will feel the same way as I do, I hope the show doesn't bend to those that apparently went to social media to complain.

My message to Kirkman would be... come on then, I DARE you to disturb me! bring it on!
 
I didn't mind them getting killed, and all of that, but it was a little too brutal for me. The second one went a little far. I get it. Neegan is a horrible man. All I know is the payback better be worth the anguish. And I have a feeling it will be.

I'm interested to see how Morgan and Carol's new group plays into this. I think they will play into it too. Perhaps Carol saving her soul mate ;)
 
It's interesting because Daryl wasnt in the comic, and Carol was long dead. So they can go any direction, which I like.
 
It's interesting because Daryl wasnt in the comic, and Carol was long dead. So they can go any direction, which I like.

I agree. Although I can say they flashed his death at Dwayne's hands.

Norman talked about his character's fate and said:
"He's a prisoner of war at this point. He doesn't know what is going to happen to him," Reedus said. "Part of him doesn't care. He goes to a point where this is the shitty world we live in, and the weight of so many things is weighing on him right now that he's lost the will to fight a bit."
The Walking Dead: Norman Reedus Says Daryl Dixon Is "A Prisoner Of War"

Which we all understand, because he was filming his own bike show, plus he's been in couple film roles, while TWD has been in the air. And what was my conclusion, when I thought about the events and how many people would leave the show, if Mr Reedus wasn't in the cast any more. To be honest, I believe they could send his character for a long walk in the wilderness, and people would believe he will come back alive.

It is as if he's invulnerable. Up to the point. And that was what the producers showed in the last season. They let the audience know Daryl isn't a god like being, put a human. One, whose fate is hanging on Rick's future acts. And in that regards, I believe Negan could actually bring Daryl to gates of Alexandria to ask Rick to chop some bits off.
 
Brutal, specially the second one. Carl has grown up he has matured a lot.

I have my own suspicions on who will kill Negan and I think they will take it to an even higher level of cruelty. The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

We got a glimpse of the riders last season will their group and Rick' s join to oppose Negan?
 
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I'm really not sure I want to watch this any longer. I expected that by now, seven years in, they would have found some river valley in the hills to barricade up, grow vegetables and defend themselves. Instead, they wander from one dark place to another, each time more brutal and with less prospects of anything improving. I wouldn't want to live in their world; I would have already given up. I can't connect with someone who could. It is a dark world with a darker future. There is no humanity left, just a downward spiral. Nothing left to look forward to; no hope remains. It is the end of the world.
 
I'm really not sure I want to watch this any longer. I expected that by now, seven years in, they would have found some river valley in the hills to barricade up, grow vegetables and defend themselves. Instead, they wander from one dark place to another, each time more brutal and with less prospects of anything improving. I wouldn't want to live in their world; I would have already given up. I can't connect with someone who could. It is a dark world with a darker future. There is no humanity left, just a downward spiral. Nothing left to look forward to; no hope remains. It is the end of the world.

The thing is, if you forget about the walkers then what you really have is a real world situation from a thousand years ago (as an arbitrary number). the levels of technology meant that people were using some pretty makeshift weaponry, and they were for the most part brutal about their 'resource collecting'.
Really, our humanity is a luxury; one that in circumstances such as those portrayed in the series people generally don't have. might is right, and when it comes to limited resources only survival of your immediate tribe can be realistically planned for.

In reality 'civilistaion' is a mask we wear, and it is one that is only loosely attached.

I do sympathise with your line of thought, I don't think I could survive in a world like this -- walkers or not -- but I wouldn't count out the survival instinct, and the human ability to desensitise with dramatic spead when faced with a choice between 'them or me'. It really could just come down to a matter of 'why you, and not me? I'll fight you for it!'.
 
The thing is, if you forget about the walkers then what you really have is a real world situation from a thousand years ago (as an arbitrary number). the levels of technology meant that people were using some pretty makeshift weaponry, and they were for the most part brutal about their 'resource collecting'.
Really, our humanity is a luxury; one that in circumstances such as those portrayed in the series people generally don't have. might is right, and when it comes to limited resources only survival of your immediate tribe can be realistically planned for.

In reality 'civilistaion' is a mask we wear, and it is one that is only loosely attached.

I do sympathise with your line of thought, I don't think I could survive in a world like this -- walkers or not -- but I wouldn't count out the survival instinct, and the human ability to desensitise with dramatic spead when faced with a choice between 'them or me'. It really could just come down to a matter of 'why you, and not me? I'll fight you for it!'.

What is that famous saying "we are only one power cut away from barbarism"? Something like that anyway. TWD gives us an indication of what that world may look like and it ain't pretty.

I read something recently that put the number of Tower Houses(small keeps) in 14th century Ireland at 3,000 or so. Think of the society that requires that amount of security. Humans are inherently violent when we strip away the thin veneer of civilisation.
 
I was wondering why don't they just leave after all of this? Could they leave? Daryl behind...Carol gone...

That's the most messed part of it all. We think ' why don't they all just work together and they could once again have a civilization. Form a government and live in harmony, defending against zombies and so on' But the reality is, is it really any different than our world? A country has something...another attacks it. We want oil, we invade. They don't like a religion, they attack. We are not really all that different than what they are depicting on the walking dead. The world is like that, just a different scale that most of us dont see. All you can do is fight for your freedom, until something snaps, and you die, or it turns I guess.
 

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