Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Lumens]

Looks good. They seem to be following the format of the original trilogy with the training of a new Jedi, but with a twist?

I will probably go to see this one in the cinema, as I do get out about once a year.

 

[Boneman]

That IS a teaser....

 

[Brian G Turner]

100 likes upon you @sinister42 !

 

[Phyrebrat]

Great. I just thought I'd pop onto Chrons before I started to write on the WIP and I see this.

There goes my calm, in-the-zone creative mind...

but...

STAR WARS!



pH

 

[Culhwch]

I just don't know if I'm feeling this one. Not nearly the anticipation I had after seeing the The Force Awakens teaser, or the Rogue One teaser (which, for me, was bigger than TFA).

I hope that's not a dark side cave. I hope Rey doesn't abandon her training to rush off and save her friends. I hope this isn't a rehash of Empire like TFA was a rehash of Star Wars. Please give us a twist or something new, guys.

 

[Dave]

I think I remember George Lucas saying in interview that Star Wars was a story about a "family." Now, I do appreciate that he changes his mind often, and says that he never said things that he is on record as saying, and I also appreciate that control of this franchise is no longer his, but if that were at all true, then this series ought to bookend the Skywalker dynasty that began with finding Anakin as a child. That was what I thought was the meaning of "The Last Jedi" and that quote "the Jedi have to end" only underlines that. If Rey is going to become a Jedi then she must die horribly before the end of the next film or else there can be no end.

 

[Culhwch]

I took that line to mean that Luke recognises that the Jedi system is flawed - that there shouldn't be slavish devotion to light and an exclusion of dark, but rather there needs to be a balance. Therefore, the Jedi have to end, and something else must replace them.

 

[Brian G Turner]

I was just going to ask - was it Luke Skywalker who said that it was time for the Jedi to end? Or was it Kylo Ren? The first time I thought it was Luke, the second, Kylo. Now I'm not sure.

 

[ctg]

was it Luke Skywalker who said that it was time for the Jedi to end?

Yes. I wrote fifteen hundred words on why the Jedi needs to end so that the Force can flow freely two weeks ago, but I decided to not to post as I've tendency to silence treads with my remarks. What he said only adds up to that speculation.

 

[Nick B]

I took that line to mean that Luke recognises that the Jedi system is flawed - that there shouldn't be slavish devotion to light and an exclusion of dark, but rather there needs to be a balance. Therefore, the Jedi have to end, and something else must replace them.

Thats how I took it, but that Luke may be the last Jedi, and Rey something new.

 

[ctg]

 

[Dave]

Thats how I took it, but that Luke may be the last Jedi, and Rey something new.

alt-Jedi? or fake Jedi? Out of interest, how did Anakin bring balance to the Force? If you are all correct then it is Luke who brought/will bring the balance.

 

[Phyrebrat]

Yeah I think they'll be some revision of what the prophecy actually meant... some kind of 'from a certain point of view'-isms.

As long as there are B-wings I'll be happy.

pH

 

[Overread]

The Jedi interpretation of balance was always defeat of the Sith and the power to the light side of the force. Many have questioned this, balance suggests equality rather than supremacy of one. It might be that by continually defeating and pushing away form the dark side the light side inevitably sets up the scales to swing back and forth from the two extremes.

 

[Ajid]

I've held a theory in the recesses of my brain for a while. I don't think the force is relevant in the star wars universe. Don't get me wrong it's relevant to the Star Wars stories.

The force did not create the empire. A sith lord created the empire but primarily through political means. He utilities force users and manipulates situations through force users but this could have been achieved by a non force user. Most of the Jedi in the prequels were killed by non force users. The night of the long knives, as I shall always think of it, was primarily carried out by clone troopers. I think a new hope is a bit of an exception as luke clearly used the force to win a decisive battle.

But wait...

Luke did not helo the rebellion win a decisive battle Or the empire would have been weakened or at least held. Empire Strikes Back showed this wasn't the case. Lukes personal family struggle wasn't even the deciding factor when it came to Return of the Jedi.

I put it to you all that the force is irrelevant in the star wars universe.

 

[sinister42]

 

[Cli-Fi]

Trailer! Trailer! Trailer! YEEEEEEEEEE

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-here-1794299927

After watching it a couple of times, I can say this looks way better than The Force Awakens.

 

[Overread]

Ajid - an interesting assessment however don't forget that it was Luke giving himself up which took Vader off the moon and up to the Death Star. Otherwise Vader would have been on the ground and that might well have been the deciding factor in the ground battle.

We also have to question if without Luke being a distraction would the Emperor have changed his plans and even fled the Death Star when the shield went down and the fighters started to invade the station. Luke escaped even after dragging the heavy metal body of his father out from the Death Star. So if he hadn't been there the Emperor could have survived the events.


Sith have great power, but are also very much singular figure-heads holding all the cards together. So if the Emperor had survived there's a good chance that the Empire would have held together in some form. However I suspect with both sides having taken heavy losses in that battle and with the loss of the Death Star it might well have sparked a long war of attrition on both sides and with the Empire fracturing. The Emperor likely wouldn't mind the vast empire fracturing into multiple warring groups of planets as different systems try to form alliances and scrabble what they can.



I do agree Luke isn't beating whole armies nor is he a general leading those huge armies, but his actions are important to the world setting. I think it does highlight the difference between Jedi and Sith in that Sith tend to be very overt and very in-control of situations. Vader and the Emperor both take key leading roles in the Empire and hold the strings together. Jedi, ergo Luke, operate in the background. Making key moves alone but which have far reaching influences.

 

[Rodders]

I finally got around to watching this yesterday. Very interesting.

 

[Boneman]

So... Rey is training with Luke, the Jedi Master, who tells her she has a brother who Kylo Ren killed. Finn is captured by the empire, and tortured. Rey interrupts her training to go and rescue him from the gas planetoid he's being held on, and encounters Kylo Ren. They fight, he cuts her hand off and tells her he is her brother, She falls out the bottom of the structure and uses the force to call to Poe... sound familiar?