Star Trek - Discovery - 1.12: Vaulting Ambition

[Cathbad]

I really don't think they can bring the doc back. Perhaps Stamets finds love in another?

 

[Alexa]

Nope. Gossip says he may be back.

Star Trek: Discovery — What's Next for Dr. Culber? (Exclusive)

 

[Dave]

I can't read this thread for spoilers. I've been away from home. Just got back this evening. Sat down to watch this with a Burn's Night whisky and... Netflix is "having issues streaming on all devices." I'll be with you asap.

Edit: According to Twitter it is working again. I'll go and check. (Twitter thought Netflix being down was practically the end of the world.)

 

[Marvin]

I can't read this thread for spoilers. I've been away from home. Just got back this evening. Sat down to watch this with a Burn's Night whisky and... Netflix is "having issues streaming on all devices." I'll be with you asap.

Edit: According to Twitter it is working again. I'll go and check. (Twitter thought Netflix being down was practically the end of the world.)

Basically Dave from what I have read of your posts and predictions, you may as well be one of the writers.
Nothing to spoil when you have guessed every turn.
Well done sir!

 

[Dave]

Lorca is not from our universe!!!!!

Yet another conspiracy theory proved correct. We are running out of things to guess at now. They have revealed everything and it's all true!!!

Basically Dave from what I have read of your posts and predictions, you may as well be one of the writers. Nothing to spoil when you have guessed every turn. Well done sir!

Thanks, but you give me more credit than I deserve. Some of the things... i.e. the eye drops, I got from others here. However, I just knew there would be a reason for everything, once I realised how well plotted this was, back from the very first episode. Everything shown was important and I find it funny that all the people complaining about Canon actually have nothing left to complain about anymore. They must be speechless.

I just finished watching this week's episode. Frankly, I count this one as one of the best all time shows in the Star Trek series universe! I knew the eye thingy meant something! And I'm pleased they found a way to save Tyler's character! A very well-done episode!

Well I'm sorry to say I've had enough. This really isn't what I want of Star Trek.

Like @Cathbad I love it, but I can understand your reasons for not liking it. It is also a very different interpretation of Star Trek. What I mean, is that TOS was usually little morality plays in space, TNG was usually about science and technology overcoming problems, DS9 was a mixture - religion and spirituality (which is why it was compared with B5 so much) but also comedy and some great war stories. VOY and ENT were poor copies of all the others. This show is out there all on its own. Unlike any other series. I think that is the best thing about it. If it were the same then I'd be bored.

As for the Tyler/Voq business - I have no idea what s going on there, so I'll keep reading your posts to help me understand.

The Stamets/Culber business - I think @Amelia Faulkner is right. The writers promised to keep watching, but so far, Culber is still dead and there is just a gay melodrama. I think much more could happen yet though. I don't know if you missed it or not, but the prime Stamets has gone to the mirror Universe and vice versa. In the mirror Universe, Dr. Culber may still be alive, but not yet in a relationship with Stamets. So, I think we can just say, "It's complicated!"

No, I don't think we have seen the mirror humans eating other aliens. They have no qualms about destroying planets but eating your enemies goes above and beyond.

I'm not sure how Burham is going to deal with her new found knowledge. The mirror Lorca has been using her, playing her and lying to her from the first time they met. He has engineered everything that has happened since we first met him, and doesn't care about anyone but himself. However, she wants to get back home and she needs him for that. There is also the rest of the crew of the prime Discovery to think about. They need to get home too. I also wonder if the prime Lorca survives in the mirror Universe, and how the mirror Lorca crossed over to the prime Universe anyway (because that would be a method that didn't involve either the Defiant interspace or the Spore Drive, and so I would peg as the safest and best way back.)

 

[Alexa]

I believe prime Lorca is dead, togheter with his crew. It was really strange he was the only survivor. We know now better, he wasn't.

 

[Cathbad]

I believe prime Lorca is dead, togheter with his crew. It was really strange he was the only survivor. We know now better, he wasn't.

Agreed.

 

[Narkalui]

I’ve got a feeling, I might be wrong, that when they get back to Prime Universe it will be the Post-Kirk future, thus solving the canonicity problem of “why has no one in the future heard of the Discovery” etc.

Now I think about it, Jonathan Frakes has directed an episode, so why not Post-TNG and it’s Captain Riker who meets them...

 

[farntfar]

Well I suppose I will have to keep watching, to find out how they resolve it all, but I preferred the more positive messages of the other Treks.

As to how they get back, as soon as we saw the spore creature and even more when Stamets started to do it, I was reminded of the guy that Wesley Crusher eventually went off with. The Visitor, I think Picard called him. He phased in and out of existence to take them beyond warp?
Maybe there's a mirror-Visitor, or even the same one.
Maybe Crusher comes to save them himself, if they're going to pop back post-TNG.

Then again, probably not.

 

[Dave]

Well I suppose I will have to keep watching, to find out how they resolve it all, but I preferred the more positive messages of the other Treks.

As to how they get back, as soon as we saw the spore creature and even more when Stamets started to do it, I was reminded of the guy that Wesley Crusher eventually went off with. The Visitor, I think Picard called him. He phased in and out of existence to take them beyond warp?
Maybe there's a mirror-Visitor, or even the same one.
Maybe Crusher comes to save them himself, if they're going to pop back post-TNG.

Then again, probably not.

With a cameo part for Wil Wheaton?

If this actually happened (I very much doubt it) then it would have to be at the end of the series (and a second season has been announced already.) I can't see the Discovery's story continuing far in the TNG era. Discovery would be a museum ship and the crew would need to retrain.

 

[farntfar]

With a cameo part for Wil Wheaton?
(I very much doubt it)

No. I wasn't really serious.

 

[Amelia Faulkner]

I've loved every Trek from TOS to DS9. I couldn't get on board with Voyager or Enterprise, but in hindsight those are the two Treks which went above and beyond in sexualising female crewmembers for some unknown reason. Jeri Ryan frequently complained about the corset they made her wear just to make her boobs stand out even more, and T'Pol's naked shower scene super early on was pure fanservice in a show which - until Seven of Nine - didn't do fanservice.

That and Janeway was always running to keep up with Chakotay, which completely undermined all the hoo-haa about "Star Trek's first female Captain woo hoo aren't we so progressive!" The show constantly treated Chakotay like he was actually the one in charge, and they even went the full misogyny hog in having a junior officer get away with raping the captain ("Oh but they were regressed to absurd lizard creatures it was fine" *vomit*).

When it comes to Treks having messages I didn't like, Discovery isn't at the top of the list.

 

[farntfar]

I'm afraid such things started much earlier, with Kirk's assault on Janice Rand for instance. (Again "justified" by having been split into his bad self in a transporter malfunction)
But I agree that the fanservice (a term I didn't know, until I looked it up) of Seven of Nine and T'Pol were rather more central to their relative series. (Series which also had many good elements)

I suppose we need to accept (if that's the word??) the bad along with the good, and I need to accept the bits I don't like in this series along with some very interesting ideas that are there too.

 

[Khuratokh]

I mean, the showrunners literally admitted they are fully aware of bury your gays and have hit the internet hard begging us to trust them, to stick with it. Well, I'm waiting for them to deliver on this promise they've made. I don't think it's a stretch when a showrunner says "Please stick with us, I promise you it isn't what it looks like," to expect them to show you how it isn't what it looks like if you stick with them.

And while we're on the subject, there's literally no reason - when aware of that trope - not to make Stamets' husband a different person entirely from the person who "has to die for plot reasons."

Or why there were zero guards or nurses present.

 

[Khuratokh]

Well I suppose I will have to keep watching, to find out how they resolve it all, but I preferred the more positive messages of the other Treks.

As to how they get back, as soon as we saw the spore creature and even more when Stamets started to do it, I was reminded of the guy that Wesley Crusher eventually went off with. The Visitor, I think Picard called him. He phased in and out of existence to take them beyond warp?
Maybe there's a mirror-Visitor, or even the same one.
Maybe Crusher comes to save them himself, if they're going to pop back post-TNG.

Then again, probably not.

The Traveler. A three fingered alien with a penchant for trans-galactic travel and an, in hindsight, unhealthy interest in Wesley. (Recently rewatched it, the interaction between those two, come off as more than a little creepy.)
I really hope this isn't the case. I'm still bitter about what they did to the Enterprise finale.

 

[Cathbad]

Or why there were zero guards or nurses present.

Why would there have been guards?

 

[Amelia Faulkner]

Yeah, no need for guards at that time, but I'm bemused at how often sickbay is just Dr. Culber on his own, like he's living in an illusion where he has staff, and everyone else just nods and smiles and on the inside they pity him but don't know how to help

 

[Amelia Faulkner]

I'm afraid such things started much earlier, with Kirk's assault on Janice Rand for instance. (Again "justified" by having been split into his bad self in a transporter malfunction)

Yeahhh. Maybe there's a subliminal reason I haven't re-watched ToS since childhood >.>

I think it's quite interesting with the benefit of hindsight just how much sexism and sexual assault Janice had to undergo for a character who was only in eight episodes. And it's a crying shame that "an executive" attempted to sexually assault Grace Lee Whitney, so she did what women of the time were trained to do: she protected her assailant and blamed herself for having had a single drink, then warned women not to drink because there are predators out there.

 

[Dave]

I'm bemused at how often sickbay is just Dr. Culber on his own, like he's living in an illusion where he has staff, and everyone else just nods and smiles and on the inside they pity him but don't know how to help

I thought the same thing when Lorca threatened to relieve him of duty for his refusal over the treatment of Stamets. Lorca said something like, "I'll get another Doctor", but I just thought, "Which Doctor?" I don't even think we've seen a Nurse, or even other patients!

 

[Glaysher]

If I remember correctly, Culver is a junior doctor and not even the CMO.