Star Trek - Discovery - 1.13: What's Past Is Prologue

So Discovery gets home 9 months later. Not particularly the jump I was expecting. I wonder how the writers chose it.
  • Lorca gets stabbed to death
  • MU Stamets gets vaporized
  • MU Georgiou gets kidnapped
  • Saru makes a badass Captain
  • Fight scenes look like TOS.
  • More screen time for bridge crew than we've seen all season
Discovery has some explaining to do. If they are really home, how did the Klingons "win," the war. That doesn't match up with history, so did they change history?

Also what's with that single Mycelial spore landing and embedding itself into Tilly??? Is she going to get super powers?
 
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Maybe the jump in MU was the event that changed history and let Klingons *win* the war. They claimed Discovery was the most advanced spaceship in previous episodes.

Lorca was a badass after all. Bon voyage in hell ! :p

I wonder how they will explain Georgiou's presence in PU and if she can adapt to this rew reality. Do you think she will take command of Discovery ? It will be odd with Saru as officer, knowing she ate kelpian meat.

That spore thingy may reserve us other surprises. Maybe they can go back in time and stop the klingons.
 
Cli-Fi said:
So Discovery gets home 9 months later. Not particularly the jump I was expecting. I wonder how the writers chose it?
Discovery has some explaining to do. If they are really home, how did the Klingons "win," the war. That doesn't match up with history, so did they change history?

Also what's with that single Mycelial spore landing and embedding itself into Tilly??? Is she going to get super powers?
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All good questions! I've no idea!

I was wrong about lots of things:
  • I was sure the two Stamets had swapped places - they didn't.
  • I expected them to stay in the MU - they got back incredibly easily, I thought.
  • I expected Michael to side with MU Lorca anyway - I mean the Terran Empire is evil, right?
  • Are her regrets about killing Georgiou so strong that she risks everything to save her MU self? Obviously, yes because MU Georgiou is in the PU now!
Some other thoughts:
  • If time has been changed, then this in another alternative universe, right? So, the story could progress forward in a new universe just like the Abrams films have, along the lines that @BAYLOR wanted, and never affect Star Trek canon again.
  • I don't understand why we don't have more screen time for the Bridge crew. Are they really so boring? 13 episodes and we still know nothing about them.
  • The Mycelial spore entering Tilly is important or else it wouldn't have been shown. No idea what it means.
  • I still like @farntfar 's idea about the TNG Visitor and Crusher paying a visit to help them out.
  • We have watched carefully and Dr. Culber remains very dead.
  • What happened to Voq/Tyler and L'Rell this week?
Alexa said:
It will be odd with Saru as officer, knowing she ate kelpian meat.
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Indeed!
 
Dave said:
Are her regrets about killing Georgiou so strong that she risks everything to save her MU self? Obviously, yes because MU Georgiou is in the PU now!
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Maybe Burnham is bisexual, and she loves Georgiou. Otherwise I can't wrap my head around Burnham wanting her to survive.

Alexa said:
Oh no ! We will end up with another mess episode.:eek:
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The theory goes, they are going to have to go back in time at some point to change everything back to normal, paving way for our Dr. Culber to return and Mr. Tyler to go back to normal. Since even with whatever happened last week, I don't think he is back to normal.

Notice, they will probably have to figure out when Lorca infiltrated the universe.
 
Alexa said:
I have a theory about Michael's reason. If Georgiou is alive, her life sentence should be cancelled, right ?
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That is a very strong motive, but I'm not sure any jury would see it that way.

Cli-Fi said:
...they are going to have to go back in time at some point to change everything back to normal, paving way for our Dr. Culber to return and Mr. Tyler to go back to normal...
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Personally, if they use a re-set button that large then I will be very annoyed. To be honest, I'm not sure I liked this week's episode. I thought it was because I didn't guess the direction it went in, but I think it is really that I don't like the direction it went in. You just can't keep killing people off and then bringing them back again. However, Georgiou is back, the rumours are that Culber will be back, and I find it hard to believe that we have seen the last of Lorca too.

If they go back far enough, they can bring T'Kumva back and there won't be a war at all. How are they going to do all this time travel though? I though Stamets was going to die if he used it anymore?
 
IDK about you but I'm pretty sure if my husband died in my arms a few episodes ago I would've had a moment to at least shed a damn tear by now. It's all well and good to go "Don't have time to grieve, got to save universe" but grief doesn't do what you tell it to.
 
I am just about to watch this episode, so I'm not reading these posts yet.

So, I log into my CBSAA account, and immediately see an add for ST: Discovery, "Watch Latest Episode". I click on it, and voila! I'm watching an episode of... Everybody Hates Chris. :LOL:

Be back in a bit!!
 
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Cathbad said:
I am just about to watch this episode, so I'm not reading these posts yet.

So, I log into my CBSAA account, and immediately see an add for ST: Discovery, "Watch Latest Episode". I click on it, and voila! I'm watching an episode of... Everybody Hates Raymond. :LOL:

Be back in a bit!!
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Mirror Universe @Cathbad hacked the website because he's obsessed with Everybody hates Raymond which is a real show in the MU!!!!
 
Dave said:
That is a very strong motive, but I'm not sure any jury would see it that way.

Personally, if they use a re-set button that large then I will be very annoyed. To be honest, I'm not sure I liked this week's episode. I thought it was because I didn't guess the direction it went in, but I think it is really that I don't like the direction it went in. You just can't keep killing people off and then bringing them back again. However, Georgiou is back, the rumours are that Culber will be back, and I find it hard to believe that we have seen the last of Lorca too.

If they go back far enough, they can bring T'Kumva back and there won't be a war at all. How are they going to do all this time travel though? I though Stamets was going to die if he used it anymore?
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I think it's gotta be Mudd. Mudd is the key. Apparently he still has access to a time machine on his ship. Since I have predicted most of the show so far. Though they added cooler things in the middle, I see it going down like this:

They figure out that the only way to win the war is to figure out when Lorca infiltrated the PU. Since it's all his fault, that's the only solution.
If I were them, I'd try two different things. I would try to go back to when Mudd was killing Lorca 50 times and then just let him kill Lorca. This would be a really cool twisty episode, but I don't think they are going to do that, this early. Could be a good episode far into the future of the series.

But then, they figure out that just killing Lorca won't help fix the timeline. So they have to figure out when Lorca infiltrated the timeline originally and go back to stop that from happening. Mudd still has to be involved for those ehm, time travel negotiations. Perhaps Department of temporal investigations shows up. Tells them their destiny.

However, it's soon discovered (pun intended) that Lorca isn't the problem. Well he is if you care about timeline purity, but really the real problem is the death of what is my favorite Star Trek villain to date. T'kuvma!!!! Without his death and without the unification of all Klingon houses (which if I am not mistaken does not happen in Star Trek until at least TNG and even that's questionable since they are always fighting with each other) there would be no war! There would be no battle of the binary stars. There would be no traitor Burnham. No Death of PU Georgiou.

This however, brings up back to step one and the beginning of Discovery's continuity problems. That depends entirely of course, on what takes place during those time travel negotiations with Harry Mudd. Maybe he has memory blockers, or they could use L'Rell's little hand memory wiper thingys. Maybe they decide to jump to the future to avoid the time loop.
 
Cli-Fi said:
I think it's gotta be Mudd. Mudd is the key. Apparently he still has access to a time machine on his ship. Since I have predicted most of the show so far. Though they added cooler things in the middle, I see it going down like this:

They figure out that the only way to win the war is to figure out when Lorca infiltrated the PU. Since it's all his fault, that's the only solution.
If I were them, I'd try two different things. I would try to go back to when Mudd was killing Lorca 50 times and then just let him kill Lorca. This would be a really cool twisty episode, but I don't think they are going to do that, this early. Could be a good episode far into the future of the series.

But then, they figure out that just killing Lorca won't help fix the timeline. So they have to figure out when Lorca infiltrated the timeline originally and go back to stop that from happening. Mudd still has to be involved for those ehm, time travel negotiations. Perhaps Department of temporal investigations shows up. Tells them their destiny.

However, it's soon discovered (pun intended) that Lorca isn't the problem. Well he is if you care about timeline purity, but really the real problem is the death of what is my favorite Star Trek villain to date. T'kuvma!!!! Without his death and without the unification of all Klingon houses (which if I am not mistaken does not happen in Star Trek until at least TNG and even that's questionable since they are always fighting with each other) there would be no war! There would be no battle of the binary stars. There would be no traitor Burnham. No Death of PU Georgiou.

This however, brings up back to step one and the beginning of Discovery's continuity problems. That depends entirely of course, on what takes place during those time travel negotiations with Harry Mudd. Maybe he has memory blockers, or they could use L'Rell's little hand memory wiper thingys. Maybe they decide to jump to the future to avoid the time loop.
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All right. Let's say you are right and Mudd helps them and switch the time back. If they go back to the moment Lorca infiltrated the original timeline, then he will never meet the klingon Tyler/Voq. Oh, wait a minute ! They could meet the real Tyler ! Oh no ! It's like having again a twisting Mudd episode and we don't know who really lives and who dies.

I hate MU. They always make such a mess in chronology.
 
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