Decimation - total destruction

'Quick theres ten of them, anineihilate them.' Said the Captain
'There seems to be one left sir.' Said the slayers mate
'Perfect, thats exactly what I wanted. I was never good at decimals.'
 
There are plenty of words and phrases that we use today that originally had different meanings or connotations; decimate is only one.


It's a good word to use when describing a substantial (but not total) reduction.
 
Roman decimation was brutal. You lined up in your cohorts. Every nine men were given clubs. They beat the tenth man to death. Augustus Caesar did this, but I can't remember which legion. But by undergoing such an ordeal, the legion was allowed to remain as a legion, and that was enormously important for the soldiers.

For this reason, I try to use "decimate" not so much in its numeric sense but in its disciplinary sense. The exact number killed is less important than it's salutary effects. It was, as they said in the French Foreign Legion, pour encourager les autres.
 
Can't believe I've only just seen this thread.

It means to reduce by a tenth. Those who use it wrongly are using it wrongly. It is no more correct than 'totally/quite/very/somewhat unique' is correct, despite being used erroneously very often. (Unique means one of a kind. Being 'quite unique' is impossible).
 
Those who use it wrongly
Are there any modern-day circumstances where it could be used correctly, i.e. where exactly one-tenth is meant. And if it doesn't have to be exactly one-tenth, how much leeway is available?

Even with the original use, are we not confusing the method with the intention, i.e. the implied threat? That threat was that the choice of those to be killed was very likely to be random, i.e. every member of the unit (100% of them) had to consider that they might be the amongst those killed rather than amongst those co-opted to do the killing.
 
Well, there's rightly and then there's wrongly and then there are other wronglies. (Adverbs Deserve Plurals!)

The word is Latin, so they get to define its original meaning. As others have noted, language is not static, so the word can evolve, especially in its connotations. That gives us the dictionary definitions cited in this thread. Then there are the ways in which your readers are going to interpret the word; inevitably, some will take it differently than you intended it, regardless of how "correct" your usage.

I wouldn't worry about it. The only time I get fussy about a word is when the author clearly believes he's using it in a particular sense and has clearly gotten it wrong. So, for example, if a story is historical fiction and has a legion decimated and half the men lie dead on the ground, that's going to raise my hackles. But if it's a general lit story and someone says the enemy was decimated and they simply mean many were killed, that doesn't bother me. I have lazy hackles.
 
Cassell doesn't even give that much, but only decimus -- a tenth. No verb at all. Likewise with Lewis & Short. But a search at Perseus comes up with phrases like this one
milites saepius decimavit,
which I think comes close enough.

That was fun!
 
Ursa, I don't mind an approximation, but saying 10% were killed and it turns out to be nearer 100% is to render the term meaningless. And why? We have terms like annihilated, eradicated, exterminated, extirpated, obliterated, scattered to the four vectors of Argon V.
 
First of all, it's what people believe a word means now that is important, not what a Roman thought it meant 2000 years ago. If we're going to worry about Latin words having changed their meanings, what about all the English words that don't mean what they once did?

On the Chrons, sometimes people ask for a word that could be used in a setting in the past, and people provide various suggestions. It then turns out that what someone three centuries ago meant when they used one of those words is not what we would now understand by it, thus making what sounds to us like plausible speech and narrative of old to us no such thing.

Secondly -- and I think that this is being ignored here -- most of us do not write in third person omnisicient but in either first person or third person close. How many of out PoV characters would know what decimate originally meant, or even that its roots were in Latin and in Roman military discipline? If an author carelessly uses decimate to mean "almost annihilate", what are the chances that the PoV character would also do so... or would not even know that the original meaning of the word was not that? Are our attempts to "up-educate**" our PoV characters -- or, to put it another way, flagrantly ignore the reality of their lives -- any less problematic?


The beauty of English is its mutability***; if one wants to write in a language where the menaing of words is policed, French, with its Académie française, might be a better bet.


** - There's probably a more elegant verb available.

*** - This still has the meaning that the Romans*** would have understood. (I say "Romans", but there will be words in Latin that may not have been in use when the Roman Empire -- the western one that usually comes to people's minds, not the eastern one -- was still in existence.)
 
Stamps flag firmly in the ground of 'I write in 3rd person omniscient!'

I don't like how it contradicts itself - it means 10% dead, but people use it for many, but not all, dead. This annoys me almost as much as the fact that they are wrong and it should still be used correctly (10%).

Also as for being used correctly now, I always decimate my freshly cooked cupcakes. I have to make sure they taste OK don't I!? *cheeky grin*
 
The word once meant to eliminate every 10th soldier. But it has been so misused for so long that in the mind of the general populace, the meaning has changed. I don't like it. But why fight it?

The same is true of "apocalypse," which originally meant "unveiling" or "revelation," but has been so misused for so long that people now take it to mean "the end of the world," which is not what it means at all. It boggles the mind what a "zombie revelation" might mean, but I see "zombie apocalypse" all the time.
 
So, apocalypse goes into the same bucket as decimation. There's the original meaning, then there's the vulgar meaning. Hah, vulgus. See what I did there?
 

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