June 2018: Reading Thread

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Hugh, later on you might look up Gilliver et al.'s The Ring of Words: Tolkien and the Oxford English Dictionary and Jared Lobdell's England and Always, the latter of which observes LotR's affinity with the tales of Haggard, Buchan, Doyle et al. I have the impression that much of Lobdell's book is subsumed within the more recent The World of the Rings, though I'm not sure.

As for the Inklings -- if you want to learn more about them, a good next book after Carpenter's might be Diana Pavlac Glyer's The Company They Keep, which examines them as a writers' group. There's an appendix by David Bratman that goes into the impressive literary productivity not only of Tolkien, Lewis, and Williams, but others who participated. Happily for us, Tolkien and the other Inklings have prompted a lot of readable, well-informed, and interesting secondary material.

You do have Tolkien's Letters, I hope. An excellent selection, except one wants more.

I am eager to get my claws on this book:

https://www.lunapresspublishing.com...lli---Tolkiens-Library-An-Annotated-Checklist
 
Jared Lobdell's England and Always, the latter of which observes LotR's affinity with the tales of Haggard, Buchan, Doyle et al.

And James Fenimore Cooper?

I've got muddled in trying to quote different parts of your post, so I've resorted to using italics....

"As for the Inklings -- if you want to learn more about them, a good next book after Carpenter's might be Diana Pavlac Glyer's The Company They Keep, which examines them as a writers' group. There's an appendix by David Bratman that goes into the impressive literary productivity not only of Tolkien, Lewis, and Williams, but others who participated. Happily for us, Tolkien and the other Inklings have prompted a lot of readable, well-informed, and interesting secondary material.

In time maybe. I'm still on the nursery slopes. Right now I'm just looking to read around Tolkien some, before re-reading the Hobbit and the LOTR. Your very helpful recommendations, noted.

"You do have Tolkien's Letters, I hope. An excellent selection, except one wants more.

Yes indeed. Read within the last few weeks. Very interesting. I may not be well-informed on this, but I assume that no further significant letters have been published.

I am eager to get my claws on this book:

Luna Press Publishing - UK Publisher based in Edinburgh, Scotland.

I can see how this would be very interesting. I hope to be starting Catherine McIlwaine's "Tolkien, Maker of Middle-Earth" sometime in the next fortnight. I'm looking forward to that very much, and have restrained myself from dipping into it.
 
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Yes -- I have McIlwaine's book too, not yet out of its shrinkwrap -- saving it for a special moment.

I don't know how interested you are in C. S. Lewis -- someone to whom Tolkien's readers must always be grateful because Tolkien said he'd never have finished LotR if not for his encouragement.

I did a comparison once with Lewis's library (CSL died 1963; the library was catalogue for a 1969 paper by Margaret Rogers) and the releases of the famous Ballantine Adult Fantasy Series (1969-1974). A remarkable degree of overlap, especially if you omit Lin Carter's original anthologies for the series, the few books that were not reprints (e.g. the Katherine Kurtz books), and the books by Weird Tales authors Clark Ashton Smith and H. P. Lovecraft. Some of the books in Lewis's library were, I'm sure, ones that his American-born wife brought to the marriage. I'd guess she was the James Branch Cabell fan. I posted this on Chrons a while back:

------De Camp and Pratt's Land of Unreason is one of a bunch of books Lewis owned that were to be reprinted in 1969-1974, when Tolkien's American paperback publisher, Ballantine, cast about for additional material for the fantasy market. Lewis's library and the approximately 60 titles of the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series, edited by Lin Carter, both include William Beckford's Vathek, five James Branch Cabell books, Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday, F. Marion Crawford's Khaled, Roger Lancelyn Green's From the World's End (the Ballantine edition was called Double Phoenix and included a work by another author), Rider Haggard and Andrew Lang's The World's Desire, Haggard's The People of the Mist, William Hope Hodgson's The Night Land (two volumes as printed in the Ballantine series), George MacDonald's Phantastes and Lilith (also some shorter MacDonald fantasies, gathered by Lin Carter for a book called Evenor), George Meredith's The Shaving of Shagpat, Hope Mirrlees' Lud-in-the-Mist, and William Morris's The Water of the Wondrous Isles and The Wood Beyond the World. (Interestingly, Morris's The Well at the World's End, praised by Lewis, was not in the 1969 catalogue of his library. Perhaps he owned a copy that was later acquired by someone as a keepsake. The Well was reprinted by Ballantine in two volumes.) Also, the Lewis library included eleven titles by Lord Dunsany, an author mined for six Adult Fantasy releases. Richard Hodgens, a member of the New York C. S. Lewis Society, translated a portion of Ariosto's Orlando Furioso (“Vol. 1: The Ring of Angelica”), the whole of which Lewis read in the original Italian. The Lewis book collection also included fantasy by Mervyn Peake, E. R. Eddison, and David Lindsay that Ballantine reprinted just before the launching of the Adult Fantasy series proper. Lin Carter would have been impressed by Lewis’s collection. Most of the material reprinted in Carter's series that Lewis did not own belonged to the American Weird Tales magazine tradition (e.g. four volumes of stories by Clark Ashton Smith) or had never been published before (e.g. Sanders Anne Laubenthal's somewhat Charles Williams-y Excalibur or Joy Chant's somewhat Lewisian-Tolkienian Red Moon and Black Mountain).

The Lewis library catalogue lists two other books by the co-author of Land of Unreason. The Well of the Unicorn (1948) is listed as by G[eorge]. U. Fletcher - - the pseudonym used for this book by Fletcher Pratt. Pratt's World of Wonder (1951) is an anthology. Such gatherings of science fiction and fantasy stories were then uncommon publishers’ fare, although the Lewis library included two of the earliest ones, Strange Ports of Call (1948), edited by August Derleth, and Donald A. Wollheim’s Pocket Book of Science Fiction (1943).-----

Lewis's library included numerous books by Lord Dunsany, Rider Haggard, and others. It included a collection of Arthur Machen's major stories, etc. It should be noted that some of the books in Lewis's collection (like Please Don't Eat the Daisies!) probably came to be there thanks to his American-born wife (and fellow science fiction fan) Joy Davidman Gresham.

.........All this is sort of a tangent to the news that a list of TOLKIEN's library is to be released. I'm wondering how the list was compiled. Tolkien was much, much less given than Lewis, to writing about his current reading, so far as I know. There are not very many gleanings in the Tolkien letters, whereas CSL is always writing about what he's reading. Tolkien made a list of his books in the 1930s for insurance purposes, so perhaps that was a resource, but he lived around 40 more years!

jrr-tolkien-library-hero.jpeg
 
I finished Yoon Ha Lee's Revenant Gun. I thought it was a good conclusion to the trilogy, for a series which started off by throwing the reader into an utterly bizarre situation with little in the way of explanation it does a good job of making just about everything feel like it makes sense by the time we get to the third book. I thought the new character in this one who gives the book part of its title added an interesting perspective to the series, and it was interesting to get a closer look at Nirai Kujen who has lurked in the shadows for most of the trilogy. The ending was a satisfying conclusion, although perhaps some parts of it felt a bit rushed and at least one major character had almost nothing to do. I think overall it's been a great series, I've read a lot of space opera but some parts of the setting are unlike anything else I've read, and it also managed to have some fascinating characters as well.
 
Just finished The Traitor God by Cameron Johnston. Like Polansky's Low City, but a S&S version. And better.
 
Yes -- I have McIlwaine's book too, not yet out of its shrinkwrap -- saving it for a special moment.

I don't know how interested you are in C. S. Lewis -- someone to whom Tolkien's readers must always be grateful because Tolkien said he'd never have finished LotR if not for his encouragement.

I did a comparison once with Lewis's library (CSL died 1963; the library was catalogue for a 1969 paper by Margaret Rogers) and the releases of the famous Ballantine Adult Fantasy Series (1969-1974). A remarkable degree of overlap, especially if you omit Lin Carter's original anthologies for the series, the few books that were not reprints (e.g. the Katherine Kurtz books), and the books by Weird Tales authors Clark Ashton Smith and H. P. Lovecraft. Some of the books in Lewis's library were, I'm sure, ones that his American-born wife brought to the marriage. I'd guess she was the James Branch Cabell fan. I posted this on Chrons a while back:

------De Camp and Pratt's Land of Unreason is one of a bunch of books Lewis owned that were to be reprinted in 1969-1974, when Tolkien's American paperback publisher, Ballantine, cast about for additional material for the fantasy market. Lewis's library and the approximately 60 titles of the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series, edited by Lin Carter, both include William Beckford's Vathek, five James Branch Cabell books, Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday, F. Marion Crawford's Khaled, Roger Lancelyn Green's From the World's End (the Ballantine edition was called Double Phoenix and included a work by another author), Rider Haggard and Andrew Lang's The World's Desire, Haggard's The People of the Mist, William Hope Hodgson's The Night Land (two volumes as printed in the Ballantine series), George MacDonald's Phantastes and Lilith (also some shorter MacDonald fantasies, gathered by Lin Carter for a book called Evenor), George Meredith's The Shaving of Shagpat, Hope Mirrlees' Lud-in-the-Mist, and William Morris's The Water of the Wondrous Isles and The Wood Beyond the World. (Interestingly, Morris's The Well at the World's End, praised by Lewis, was not in the 1969 catalogue of his library. Perhaps he owned a copy that was later acquired by someone as a keepsake. The Well was reprinted by Ballantine in two volumes.) Also, the Lewis library included eleven titles by Lord Dunsany, an author mined for six Adult Fantasy releases. Richard Hodgens, a member of the New York C. S. Lewis Society, translated a portion of Ariosto's Orlando Furioso (“Vol. 1: The Ring of Angelica”), the whole of which Lewis read in the original Italian. The Lewis book collection also included fantasy by Mervyn Peake, E. R. Eddison, and David Lindsay that Ballantine reprinted just before the launching of the Adult Fantasy series proper. Lin Carter would have been impressed by Lewis’s collection. Most of the material reprinted in Carter's series that Lewis did not own belonged to the American Weird Tales magazine tradition (e.g. four volumes of stories by Clark Ashton Smith) or had never been published before (e.g. Sanders Anne Laubenthal's somewhat Charles Williams-y Excalibur or Joy Chant's somewhat Lewisian-Tolkienian Red Moon and Black Mountain).

The Lewis library catalogue lists two other books by the co-author of Land of Unreason. The Well of the Unicorn (1948) is listed as by G[eorge]. U. Fletcher - - the pseudonym used for this book by Fletcher Pratt. Pratt's World of Wonder (1951) is an anthology. Such gatherings of science fiction and fantasy stories were then uncommon publishers’ fare, although the Lewis library included two of the earliest ones, Strange Ports of Call (1948), edited by August Derleth, and Donald A. Wollheim’s Pocket Book of Science Fiction (1943).-----

Lewis's library included numerous books by Lord Dunsany, Rider Haggard, and others. It included a collection of Arthur Machen's major stories, etc. It should be noted that some of the books in Lewis's collection (like Please Don't Eat the Daisies!) probably came to be there thanks to his American-born wife (and fellow science fiction fan) Joy Davidman Gresham.

.........All this is sort of a tangent to the news that a list of TOLKIEN's library is to be released. I'm wondering how the list was compiled. Tolkien was much, much less given than Lewis, to writing about his current reading, so far as I know. There are not very many gleanings in the Tolkien letters, whereas CSL is always writing about what he's reading. Tolkien made a list of his books in the 1930s for insurance purposes, so perhaps that was a resource, but he lived around 40 more years!

jrr-tolkien-library-hero.jpeg


My focus is on Tolkien at this time, but I may have to re-read Lewis' Sf trilogy or at least take a look, given that Ransom is said to be partly based on Tolkien. I note in the Inklings that Lewis liked the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.

Tolkien's Library: I assume either that a list may have have been made of his effects when he died and/or that his children kept track of his book collection. In addition, as I understand it, very little of his correspondence has been released by the family (I could be very wrong here, having only recently started reading around Tolkien), so that there may be references to his reading in unpublished papers.
 
Btw have you read Tolkien's unfinished novel The Notion Club Papers (in the History of Middle-earth volume called Sauron Defeated)? I don't think Tolkien imagined the Notion Club members as equivalents of the Inklings, but there's some similarity between the two groups -- and really, what an interesting thing that unfinished novel is!

Yes, Lewis not only liked F&SF; he was a reader of American sf pulps from the 1930s. There's no real question but that the story whose title and author he couldn't remember, but wants to credit in his Great Divorce, was Donald Wandrei's "Colossus" in a 1934 issue of Astounding. American sf magazines were available in England-- see e.g. the reminiscences of Arthur C. Clarke in Astounding Days. I think it's fairly likely that CSL read Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness and "The Shadow Out of Time" as printed in Astounding, and even that the latter influenced the scene in Out of the Silent Planet in which Ransom is decoding the archaic history of the solar system from stone carvings on Oyarsa's isle. How I love this stuff!

Incidentally, Lewis's wife was involved with sf circles in the US before she moved to England, and the London scene after she did. There's a nice reminiscence of Joy and Jack (C. S.) Lewis by John Christopher, author of No Blade of Grass etc.:

The Unz Review

Lewis was respected by people in the sf community. As I understand it, it was Poul Anderson's recitation of Lewis's poem "The End of the Wine" at a science fiction convention that eventually led to its appearance in F&SF after Lewis's death -- but by then he'd already been published there three times. Lewis, Kingsley Amis, and Brian Aldiss talked about SF:

Reining in the Rogue Royal of Arabia

A whole short book of correspondence between Lewis and Arthur C. Clarke was published -- which should be avoided like the plague at least as regards the Lewis letters -- I don't know if I have ever seen a book with more appalling misprints, or mistranscriptions. You can get Lewis's side of the correspondence in his Collected Letters. Clarkes's is, as far as I recall, transcribed OK in that horrible edition I just mentioned.

I have little doubt but that CSL and Tolkien talked about science fiction. A fair bit of The Notion Club Papers is just that sort of thing.
 
Beginning one from the late eighties that I've never read....
The Hidden Place by Robert Charles Wilson.
So far it appears to be about some USA tramps in the Great Depression, but hints of something mysterious are starting to crop up
 
Btw have you read Tolkien's unfinished novel The Notion Club Papers (in the History of Middle-earth volume called Sauron Defeated)? I don't think Tolkien imagined the Notion Club members as equivalents of the Inklings, but there's some similarity between the two groups -- and really, what an interesting thing that unfinished novel is!

Yes, Lewis not only liked F&SF; he was a reader of American sf pulps from the 1930s. There's no real question but that the story whose title and author he couldn't remember, but wants to credit in his Great Divorce, was Donald Wandrei's "Colossus" in a 1934 issue of Astounding. American sf magazines were available in England-- see e.g. the reminiscences of Arthur C. Clarke in Astounding Days. I think it's fairly likely that CSL read Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness and "The Shadow Out of Time" as printed in Astounding, and even that the latter influenced the scene in Out of the Silent Planet in which Ransom is decoding the archaic history of the solar system from stone carvings on Oyarsa's isle. How I love this stuff!

Incidentally, Lewis's wife was involved with sf circles in the US before she moved to England, and the London scene after she did. There's a nice reminiscence of Joy and Jack (C. S.) Lewis by John Christopher, author of No Blade of Grass etc.:

The Unz Review

Lewis was respected by people in the sf community. As I understand it, it was Poul Anderson's recitation of Lewis's poem "The End of the Wine" at a science fiction convention that eventually led to its appearance in F&SF after Lewis's death -- but by then he'd already been published there three times. Lewis, Kingsley Amis, and Brian Aldiss talked about SF:

Reining in the Rogue Royal of Arabia

A whole short book of correspondence between Lewis and Arthur C. Clarke was published -- which should be avoided like the plague at least as regards the Lewis letters -- I don't know if I have ever seen a book with more appalling misprints, or mistranscriptions. You can get Lewis's side of the correspondence in his Collected Letters. Clarkes's is, as far as I recall, transcribed OK in that horrible edition I just mentioned.

I have little doubt but that CSL and Tolkien talked about science fiction. A fair bit of The Notion Club Papers is just that sort of thing.

It continues to amaze me how well informed yourself and others are in this forum.

I do have Sauron Defeated in my Tolkien pile, though I am unsure as yet at what point I will read it. There are several Tolkien books that have priority. I hadn’t given The Notion Club Papers any thought, but I look forward to them now with interest.

I hadn’t read John Christopher’s tribute to Joy Lewis, but found it helpful to read about her as a person in her own right. I have been surprised to find that her first husband was the William Gresham of Nightmare Alley. However, I am familiar with the Aldiss/Amis/Lewis chat from the anthology Spectrum IV. My interest at this time is very much focused on Tolkien rather than Lewis, though obviously they were very important to each other.,

I have read that Tolkien said that he enjoyed Asimov (in at least one interview).
 
Beginning one from the late eighties that I've never read....
The Hidden Place by Robert Charles Wilson.
So far it appears to be about some USA tramps in the Great Depression, but hints of something mysterious are starting to crop up
Finished this and found it a bit disappointing and predictable.
Now I'm starting an ebook series I've had for a longish time without looking at it -
Independence Day: all five books
 
Finished this and found it a bit disappointing and predictable.
Now I'm starting an ebook series I've had for a longish time without looking at it -
Independence Day: all five books
who's the author?
 
right… have you read michael anderle? john conroe?
I think I have one by michael anderle about this Russian mercenary, an ebook I ain't read yet.
Never heard of John Conroe so I'm off to Google them both now and see if there's any of their writings that looks my kinda thing.
Cheers, I always appreciate a tip :)
 
I think I have one by michael anderle about this Russian mercenary, an ebook I ain't read yet.
Never heard of John Conroe so I'm off to Google them both now and see if there's any of their writings that looks my kinda thing.
Cheers, I always appreciate a tip :)
they are both urban fantasy , vampires, werewolves and so on lolo but very different from the usual and for my taste both good. check the demon accords from john and the kurtherian gambit from michael. michael is a bit like the first 10 books from anita blake and edward with all the gun play lol
 
Still on Mary Renault's The Last of the Wine, which is beautifully written but might as well be Last of the Summer Wine for the chasteness of the main love affair.

Also started Qliphoth by Paul A Green, a 1980s-set novel that takes its title from a Qabalistic concept I'm interested in (as Goddess Project readers might recognise). So far, very weird and intense, and I suspect its playing with reality might be a bit much for my taste, but I'll stick with it.
 
I read Lois McMaster Bujold's new Vorkosigan novella, The Flowers of Vashnoi. The plot and setting recall the early Miles Vorkosigan story The Mountains of Mourning, I think it's perhaps not quite as good as that story, it's lighter in tone which perhaps lowers the stakes a bit but I still liked it. While a new Miles story would have been welcome, it was interesting to read something written from Ekaterin's perspective.
 
Finished Before Mars by Emma Newman, which I would recommend. Now reading Golden Witchbreed by Mary Gentle
 
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