Is there any good references to finding more mythology on Polynesian and Inuit deities, warriors, etc?

Some of the most famous torturers from the Papal Inquisition of the 14th century were Dominicans and Franciscans. In some areas they ran the Inquisition as an extortion racket.
You are, of course, correct. That said, both of those orders focus on not living cloistered lives in monestaries, but work in the public sphere. And, they aren't priests, so they wouldn't be working in the church itself, and they would only have the ability to execute someone if the state granted it to the order.

The point I was trying to make wasn't that religious orders of any form had nothing to do with the execution of heretics, but that the local churches weren't equipped with facilities to hold prisoners because that wasn't the normative role of the local church, nor was it the role of the local priests. To be sure, there were members of religious orders who engaged in such things, but my comments were about architecture and local buildings/ministers, not travelling monks who received state commissions to be judge, jury, and executioner.
 
No one knows any other good locations where a secretive religious present near future dungeon crypt could exist? :(
 
Does it really need to be religious? If you divest yourself of that, you can easily have some rich eccentric build exactly what you need, for whatever original purpose you desire, with the advantage that it's custom-built. Maybe the rich fellow imprisoned his wayward son there. Or walled up a rival along with the Amontillado.
 
Does it really need to be religious? If you divest yourself of that, you can easily have some rich eccentric build exactly what you need, for whatever original purpose you desire, with the advantage that it's custom-built. Maybe the rich fellow imprisoned his wayward son there. Or walled up a rival along with the Amontillado.

Because this character is supposed to be a flagellant warrior and flagellants are associated with religion so if he was imprisoned say by his rich eccentric father or rival or whatever then he probably couldn't be called a flagellant.
 
Islands:- Always good for things that no one needs to know about. (e.g. The Famous Five :) ) Also Early Alcatraz for instance - presumably we're doing fiction - who knows what might go on there in the future or the past for that matter.

But historically there are many examples of island prisons. I seem to think the French had a favourite - no doubt so did others - If we go to the extreme, there's that big place in the southern hemisphere where the "Colonists" live.

Regarding your first question there's always :-

A History of the Worlds Religions - David Noss ISBN:1138211699

Available from your friendly local international book supplier. Though libraries and normal bookshops might stock it. If you read the blurb about it it seems to fit the bill covering all the worlds religions. It's expensive though, according to a certain site. I thought I had obtained a copy years ago for a tenner in a shop near Matlock. Can't find it at the moment though. If I do (I'm going in the loft today, as it happens, which I think is where I hid it, chained from the light.) I'll confirm it's the one and let you know.

If it is, it covers most of the religious beliefs of the world, both alive and dead. I got it because I wanted to include a brief insight, in my fictional book, as to why the current crop of available soul searchings managed to survive and why none became dominant world wide.

But that's for Brian's other site.
 
No one knows any other good locations where a secretive religious present near future dungeon crypt could exist? :(

Well, the Scientologists have a (not so) secret deep vault out in a (not so) secret hideout on the so-called "Lost Coast" near my neck of the woods, in far northern California. We, the locals, have been speculating about what goes on in there for years. The entrance is but a nondescript gravel road, behind a cattle guard, much like any other ranch-road; off of a very rural backroad through the coastal boondocks.

What's the Story With That Place? The Underground Scientology Vault Near Petrolia

And elsewhere, apparently.

Inside Scientology’s Secret Bunkers
 
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Sorry @SavageBlade900! Your last post reminded me that I still owe you a detailed treatment on the matter in America.

You mentioned Cape Cod, and while it certainly has the creepiness for it, putting things underground there is not typically the greatest idea, as it is only about 100 m above sea level. Deep crypts would probably be perpetually flooded, and therefore ill suited for most any use. And, that is true in much of New England; while it may be old enough, for the most part, it doesn't have the topography, and where it does, it is too densely populated for something like that.

The South is probably not a good match either. There is some creepiness there, but it is more revolving around the Civil War and slavery than religious based creepiness. They are pretty religious, but much of the religion there is pretty contemporary, so an elaborate underground complex wouldn't be of the sort you are looking for (think more like doomsday prepper than secret religious order). So, if you want ghosts, the South is the place to go, but demons and ancient underground religious dungeons... not so much.

Texas has its history with cults, but they are more the sort of that has a charismatic leader (like David Koresh) who preys in impressionable people than what I think you are going for. Great Lakes region is going to have the same flooding issue, as would much of the West Coast. That pretty much leaves the States along the Rockies, the desert states (Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona), Alaska and Hawaii. Of those, Nevada is home to Las Vegas, so right or wrong, people will think of there or an eccentric Vegas millionaire's property rather than a religious facility. Colorado has a fair bit of tourism, and Idaho is known for farming and mining. Utah is known as the creche of Mormonism, and if you really wanted it associated with a real religion in the States, this would be my pick. They have large temples which are nearly always closed off to the public, so I think an underground complex would be believable. What they don't have, however, is the population of the States taking them seriously. Between their young adults in suits and bicycles knocking on doors and the satire of them from South Park and the like, they are seen as more strange and naive rather than secretive and menacing. Hawaii, while it has many islands, they are both subject to vulcanism and tourist traps, so not only would it be difficult to have anything secret there, if you had anything underground, it will either get filled with water or lava.

Either Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, or Alaska would be a good choice for a purpose built site connected to an invented cult. The former two are more northern and mountainous (though Montana has some significant plains as well), so they tend to be colder and sparsely populated. Yellowstone National Park is in Wyoming, but there is still much of the state beyond that which people don't wander into. Arizona and New Mexico are basically all desert and mountains, so they tend to be very hot and dry. Also, New Mexico has Roswell, where supposed alien sightings happen. This could be spun as demon activity if you wanted to get creative. And, Alaska is absolutely massive, can be cold in the southern parts, but tundra and very sparsely populated in the north. If you wanted to hide something in the snow and ice, Alaska is where to go. So, I would recommend one of these states for a purpose build facility or a cave converted for that purpose. All of this, though, is very broad strokes, so there is quite a bit of room for additional research.

Regarding existing structures, large, underground crypts just aren't that common in the States, as we typically have graveyards instead. While there are some old large churches/cathedrals, they tend to be more modernistic, brick built churches, and an underground complex beneath them just doesn't feel right, at least to me. The more common churches are brick churches with fellowship halls (multipurpose rooms for meetings, dinners, and so forth) built into the cellars or no cellar at all. The other type are very modern, campus style buildings, and it would seem bizarre to have something like that underneath a coffee shop and gift store.

A Masonic Lodge, however, is a meeting hall for a semi-religious social club which is closed to the public and often is associated with conspiracy and secrets. I could imagine a secret, underground complex underneath a lodge. If it doesn't need to be sprawling, a converted bomb shelter underneath would do.

That said, if I were writing your story and I chose to set it in the States, I would go with a purpose built site in the mountains or Alaska. I think that would be the most believable approach which doesn't stick with the Illuminatii/Mason conspiracy theory. Just my thoughts, though, and if you are writing for a British audience, they likely wouldn't know enough about the individual States to have significant disbelief.
 
Re:-

A History of the Worlds Religions - David Noss ISBN:1138211699

Sorry. This isn't the one I have, and the one I do have doesn't cover the stuff you want. However, the blurb on the above still looks like it might still be worth look.
 
@Alex The G and T this is very interesting and I never knew about these locations in California. Ands pretty mysterious, thanks!

@Joshua Jones thanks so much. This helps me a lot it covering the states locations and you're right about Cape Cod and the South as those areas wouldn't be a good hold for such a underground dungeon -like facility to be constructed. Perhaps Nevada, Utah or New Mexico would be good. I haven't thought of the mysteries of Alaska yet so that might work too. Since you say lots of these locations in the states were not really meant for such dungeon -like crypts, what about other places in the world? Could there be islands near Europe that could hold such places secretly today? Or even places in Europe that would be less known? I know places like Rome, France and Britain would probably be the first places to think of since they probably had enough history to hold such places but present day to near future they would have been easily discovered and/or put in display for museums right?

@TheEndIsNigh thanks again for you're input. I will definitely look more into this and I will still check it out.
 
Thanks guys, you've all been a great help. I got everything covered for where such imprisoned-like religious crypts could exist in the U.S present-day to near future events. But I can't seem to find a good location outside of the U.S, does anyone know any? Could be Europe, anywhere really. All I find are places like Rome, Britain, France, Ireland. Now I'm not saying those places couldn't be good choices but they seem more fitting if this story was taking place 14th, 15th century, medieval times, etc. They just seem like outdated locations at this point and are more tourist -like attractions to monument over.

Anyone have any clues to locations nowadays to near future maybe? Any erie and/or easily disguised places in the world where this could work. Besides the U.S which I got taken care of. Thank you all.
 
Hmm

If this is set in the future - even the near future what exists in your future world is up to you.

Pick any location you like and give it credence and the reader will accept it.

New Rome is always good for religious events. The resurgence of it's position as the new world order takes control is easily acceptable to most readers. The same is true for anywhere you fancy - Usually best kept to somewhere you already know well so you can tweak the locations etc.

All you need is a location - Build whatever you like in that place be it fictional or not. Then sell it to the reader and away you go.

It was amazing that in just the ten short years since William the Conqueror came to power, Britannia was transformed. Every county had it's Inquisitorial prison where the none believers, those that denounced the Three Headed One, were tortured and put to impalement on the spires of the new churches.

Wednesday became the Day of Death, when judgement was given and the fate of the guilty was witnessed by the massed crowds that came eagerly to watch.
 
This is good. New Rome would create some good scenarios but wouldn't it come off as being too stereotypical? Are there places in the world that could secretly have an isolated place in the present to near future as some new world order, similar to the old ways system of the Roman church?

Besides being in the US, it would also have to be a place that isn't surrounded by water for underground dungeon cells could not work.
 
I'd also be less dogmatic in saying crypts were never used to house prisoners, though...

Your spidey sense is working well. At least for Durham Cathedral. It was used by Oliver Cromwell to house thousands of Scottish prisoners during the wars of the three kingdoms.

But I don't think he had a lot of respect for certain church infrastructure. (I'm pretty sure he used other cathedrals as stables, temporary barracks etc. Although I may be wrong.)
 
Aha -- forty years on, and I still recall something from Durham! I thought the Scots came into it. ("Half church of God, half castle 'gainst the Scot" and all that.)

You're right about Cromwell, though, or at least the roundheads as a whole. Lots of damage caused to churches up and down the land, removing anything that smelled of popery, and the buildings were used and abused as they saw fit.
 

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