Villeneuve's Dune: Part One (2019)

I started to read Dune Messiah and gave up on it. I found meandering and lacking.
 
I really struggled with Dune Messiah. I tried to read it once in the 80's and gave up after about 50 pages in.
 
BAYLOR said:
I started to read Dune Messiah and gave up on it. I found meandering and lacking.
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Two things were a big disappointment. The first part of the novel gives us the off-stage story of Paul's Jihad and then the court intrigue of conspiracy to dethrone Paul.
1. I thought for god' sake the whole Jihad story would have been great but Herbert just kills it by never bringing it onstage., I mean REALLY onstage.
2. The conspiracy has the dullest conclusion with a blind Paul taking off for hermit ville , nuts! I read the whole thing and thought Herbert had totally screwed the story. Never again the novel is a stinkerooooo!
I can see what people see in it except for a bit of return to the epic of Dune, but then it goes non-epic , do not see what people like about this novel.
 
So news today that Dave Bautista has been cast in Villeneuve's Dune, as “Beast” Rabban.
So things progress. Had seen a news squib that Villeneuve was to start production in March this year, but if he is still casting , I wonder.
Seems this version of Dune is all set , I wonder what budget Legendary has for it?
Villeneuve proved he could handle a big budget with 2049 , studios open their purses for experience.
 
This sounds like pointless name casting. Rabban is a tertiary character at best and seen only briefly in the book. Better to select an unknown and put your money somewhere else. It makes me think they're going to expand Rabban's character for some inexplicable reason. Smells like Brian may have had a hand in this, and if so I'll pass on the whole thing.
 
Vince W said:
This sounds like pointless name casting. Rabban is a tertiary character at best and seen only briefly in the book. Better to select an unknown and put your money somewhere else. It makes me think they're going to expand Rabban's character for some inexplicable reason. Smells like Brian may have had a hand in this, and if so I'll pass on the whole thing.
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It is likely that Bautista will play the tertiary character as is, I am pretty sure Villeneuve , well sure, that the Harkonnen are not going to be comic strip characters like Lynch did in his film.
 
Boneman said:
Fingers are so crossed.... been disappointed with Ender's Game, Ready Player One, The Dark Tower, so my expectation is not terrifically high at the moment!
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What did you think of Ender's Game? I thought as an adaptation it was a 1000 times better than they did for Heinlein's Star Ship Troopers.
They sure lined up quite a cast!
Asa Butterfield
Harrison Ford
Hailee Steinfeld
Viola Davis
Ben Kingsley
I thought it was a bit lackluster some of the adaptation should have been more straight forward leaving out some of the complexities of the novel if you are going to make it a less than 2 hour film.
I felt it should have done better and surprised it did not.
 
Vince W said:
I do hope we have a Baron free of skin ailments and the need to rhyme.
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That stuff was pure Lynch-jazz. He stuck in quirky stuff just to amuse himself.
Now I didn't mind the twisting around of the Space Guild navigators but then he sticks in goof ball brain transfusions like stuff , totally unneeded.
The quirky Mentats was over done.
The Weirding Module was overthinking on Lynch's part.
I wonder if an older Lynch would have been more sophisticated? From what he says these days he would not have taken on Dune at all.
 
Al Jackson said:
What did you think of Ender's Game? I thought as an adaptation it was a 1000 times better than they did for Heinlein's Star Ship Troopers.
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Personally my issue with Enders Game is that its like a fair few films that try to push a book into one film. Lack of actual development and a forced plot. You can certainly see all the signs of a solid story in there, but they had a time limit and a lot to cover and thus things felt pushed. They also didn't really go into enough detail as to why they had to pick kids to train nor why they were deploying them to control real battles whilst they were still kids. It was a whole plot area that I think got lost because they chose to focus on the team building in the sports game instead. Granted its a hard plot to carry, esp when we didn't see any of the mature adult generals and leaders doing any war-time control of their own.

Starship Troopers on the other hand, whilst utterly butchering the original story; was at least a pretty well developed entity and story in its own right.
 
Overread said:
Starship Troopers on the other hand, whilst utterly butchering the original story; was at least a pretty well developed entity and story in its own right.
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As far as I know a new adaptation of Starship Troopers is still in development. Tho not much news in recent times.
 
Boneman said:
Asa Butterfield looked way too old, and way too tall, he didn't have Ender's gravitas, or convey what Ender was going through, for me. Definitely better than Starship troopers, I'd forgotten that!
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It show how hard it is to adapt a work of prose and Ender's Game is not a 1000 pages.
Well their heart was in the right place they did not dumb it down or comic book it up it is a serious … well... space opera. Which is what Starship Troopers only approximated.
It will be interesting to see what Villeneuve does with Dune because he is more serious minded than Lynch or Verhoeven.

You know there is earlier military science fiction that could have been done before Ender's Game, namely The Forever War , tho it has been knocking around in development for a long time now!
 
Trouble is you have to make it accessible to attract a wider audience, which always means that the more subtle elements of the story will be missed out from the book. Had the movie been a success missing elements could be added to a sequel.

For what its worth, i though the movie was pretty entertaining. No where near as good as the book though.
 
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