Changing tastes in fantasy reading

These days I seem to require a much larger degree of plausibility in my reading and this in turn has taken me away from pretty much all fantasy and, to be fair, quite a lot of SF; if I don't find the science at least plausible I become very impatient with it. It doesn't have to be hard SF but it must be plausible. This has resulted in a lot of adventure style SF now being rejected and a serious struggle with a lot of classic SF.

It's funny how I used to be very tolerant of this sort of thing but I have become steadily less so over the years. I have now largely replaced my desire for fantasy with historical fiction - but even there I want to believe that the historical aspects are reasonably accurate. I'm not really knowledgeable enough to make that judgement myself, but if I find it to not be the case it is very disappointing to me.
Sounds like your C.Q. or Curmudgeon Quotient is on the rise. I have the similar problem, but it takes the form in that I don't have the patience to waste time on overly wordy books that belabour every little detail. So I can't finish Wheel of Time or Song of Ice and Fire. It can be interesting to know what a character is eating, but I don't need a cookery show every two pages or the dreadful drudgery of every mundane action.
 
The present thread reminds me of this one --

"Something Like" Tolkien ... but maybe not fantasy at all?

...which was related to this brief article:

Wormwoodiana: Guest Post: "Something Like" by Dale Nelson

I don't suppose that any disenchanted person at Chrons would be likely to get away not just from some category of sf or fantasy, but from reading itself; but I suppose some youngsters might. I'm not thinking of anyone I used to know, but it's not hard for me to imagine having had, as a teenager, a friend who said "I'm burned out on reading these days."
 
In re to humour in fantasy, one of my all-time favourites is The Illuminatus! trilogy. That's one I can go back to over and over. I'm not sure if it counts, but I'd love to have another look at the old Swords of Cerebus comics (featuring Cerebus the Aardvark, Earth-pig born) from the 80s. They were essentially a send up of Conan and a half-dozen other fantasy heroes.
 
My tastes have definitely changed. I think it comes from getting older: although I have a degree of nostalgia for the stuff I grew up reading, I'd only want to go back to the things that I thought were particularly good or especially entertaining examples of their kind, such as Memory, Sorrow and Thorn.

I've found that, as I've grown up, the troubles of teenagers aren't really of that much interest in books, and there's a lot of that in fantasy (less these days, though): the discovery that the world isn't perfect, that damsels don't want to have sex with you just because you're nice, and that kind of thing. If I read another book where a naive young man discovers that killing people with sharp implements on a muddy battlefield isn't glorious fun, I'll scream.

Also, my tolerance for padding and soap opera has faded. I'm much more likely to put a book down or leave a series unfinished - not just if it's bad, but if it isn't sufficiently good enough to justify ploughing through thousands of pages to see who lives to the end. If other genres can produce powerful, enjoyable novels without needing several sequels, why can't we?

There's something else that I've come to dislike, but it's hard to quite put a finger on it. I think it's a lack of sincerity in a novel. I've read a few books where the author is basically winking to the camera, and I really dislike it. It's the same thing that puts me off Quentin Tarantino's films - if the author isn't taking this seriously (even if it is a comedy) why should I?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a cloud to yell at.
 
I read the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings when I was eight. It was my first foray into fantasy and I remember the immersive escape was so powerful that I couldn't think about anything else for months. I think if I read those for the first time now I would think they were only just a little better than so so. Tolkien is a truly great writer but I don't get immersed the same way I did at that age. So age is the big variable in the changing of perception. Dune is the sci fi equivalent. I thought it was just fantastic at age twelve, but now I am very certain it wouldn't get such high marks from me.
 
Dune is the sci fi equivalent. I thought it was just fantastic at age twelve, but now I am very certain it wouldn't get such high marks from me.
I read Dune every year or two and it keeps getting better for me. I see new things in it every time I read it. Same for LoTR, but I've only read it three times.
 
I have read LOTR 3 times. I have read Room on the Broom and The Gruffalo each several hundred times (out loud to the kids at bedtime) and they just keep getting better.
 
I have steered away from fantasy in the last couple of years as they all seem the same to me. It's either grimdark with overly violent stories and rape scenes etc. That puts me off now because it feels like the writer is just trying to get shock value. I would like the unpredictability of Game of Thrones but with the escapism of LOTR
 
You might like the Riyria Revelations (think that's the series title). Recent(ish) but not grimdark.
 
There's something else that I've come to dislike, but it's hard to quite put a finger on it. I think it's a lack of sincerity in a novel. I've read a few books where the author is basically winking to the camera, and I really dislike it. It's the same thing that puts me off Quentin Tarantino's films - if the author isn't taking this seriously (even if it is a comedy) why should I?

I don't often come across it, but when I do, I often hate it. It comes across almost as a belief that we should all be a bit ashamed for liking this, but hey, its good fun right? I find overly genre-savvy characters to be a good sign of this. And I'm sure that's not exactly what the authors intended... but it comes across that way.

That said - I do think it is possible to have the wink to the camera and for it to work - for it to feel sincere. For me, Tarantino's films feel so loving homage that the winks work. Ditto, say, a Pratchett book.

I have steered away from fantasy in the last couple of years as they all seem the same to me. It's either grimdark with overly violent stories and rape scenes etc. That puts me off now because it feels like the writer is just trying to get shock value. I would like the unpredictability of Game of Thrones but with the escapism of LOTR

Yeah. SoIaF did actually feel shocking. A lot of it now feels tedious.

Maybe try RJ Barker's Age of Assassins. It doesn't feel all that grimdark to me, although there's a few flourishes.
 
I don't often come across it, but when I do, I often hate it. It comes across almost as a belief that we should all be a bit ashamed for liking this, but hey, its good fun right? I find overly genre-savvy characters to be a good sign of this. And I'm sure that's not exactly what the authors intended... but it comes across that way.

Perhaps I'm being a bit hard on Tarantino, but yes, I think you're right. There's a particular sort of fantasy writing (not a formal subgenre) where everyone seems to subconsciously know their own character class. I think I'm tired of authors riffing off what they perceive to be old tropes in fantasy. Often those tropes hardly exist anymore, at least unironically (farmboys being chosen by the gods, etc) or are really easy targets (war is actually hell). I don't think that kind of ironic retrospection really helps a genre move forward. It's too much like a comedian making in-jokes.

Another thing I dislike (and if I didn't sound like an old fart before, I will now) is when a novel is advertised as "Cool spaceships! Sexy robots! And a monkey that sings!" I always think "Yes, that's what's in it, but is it actually any good?"
 
Perhaps I'm being a bit hard on Tarantino, but yes, I think you're right. There's a particular sort of fantasy writing (not a formal subgenre) where everyone seems to subconsciously know their own character class. I think I'm tired of authors riffing off what they perceive to be old tropes in fantasy. Often those tropes hardly exist anymore, at least unironically (farmboys being chosen by the gods, etc) or are really easy targets (war is actually hell). I don't think that kind of ironic retrospection really helps a genre move forward. It's too much like a comedian making in-jokes.

Another thing I dislike (and if I didn't sound like an old fart before, I will now) is when a novel is advertised as "Cool spaceships! Sexy robots! And a monkey that sings!" I always think "Yes, that's what's in it, but is it actually any good?"

Sir, here is to being a curmudgeon. And at least you're older than me (I think...) so its more acceptable for you ;)

I can only agree with the outdatedness of the targets (pick on broody edgelords, manipulative sexy Queens, etc.etc.) and the lamentable focus on aesthetics over content. And that's coming from someone who likes aesthetics a lot (or I wouldn't vastly prefer Fantasy to books of other genres that are very similar).
 
I have grown from solid epics worlds (Hobb, Rawn, Elliott, Fiest, Martin, Jordan) but I can still go back to them. Some of these books were written twenty and thirty years ago. Our own world has altered the on page enchantments. Now you have the likes of RJ Barker, Genevieve Cogman and Lucy Hounsom reinventing the magic.
Have my reading tastes matured? Developed? Altered?
Grown. Expanded. I still seek the magic.
If nothing else reviewing has taught me how very amazing writers are. Defined, living breathing worlds behind every cover - and they made that sh*t up!

Each book is unique, and how I no longer use the statements "I won't read X because".
It limits you.
Previously "I won't read X because" defined my book choices because that's how they're shelved in libraries and shops too.
Also -importantly- but maybe a turn off for most, is how I find the best, sharpest stuff in the smaller presses.

Does it matter? Nah, Nixie. Keep growing, keep exploring.
 

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