Outlaw King (2018) - trailer

[svalbard]

No problem. It did confuse me somewhat. There was an Edward the Martyr sometime around 970s.

 

[thaddeus6th]

Ah ha! That must be the fellow. I always forget the middle one.

 

[Al Jackson]

Better historically than Braveheart is one hell of a backhanded compliment.

That said, I've also heard it's better than average in that regard.

Hopefully someone will make a film or two about William Marshal and Edward III. For that matter, the Richard II/Henry IV tussle was fascinating to read about and would make a great film.

I can't think of many great epic medieval movies. El Cid and the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven , mostly I think of films like The Name of the Rose, Lion in Winter, A Man for All Seasons, Olivier and Branagh's Henry V.....(Those two do have epic battle scenes in them) … Aguirre, the Wrath of God by Werner Herzog is quite good.... most of the Robin Hood films are hit and miss, tho Robin and Marian is gem everyone has forgotten!

 

[Narkalui]

No problem. It did confuse me somewhat. There was an Edward the Martyr sometime around 970s.

He was the older half brother of the more (in)famous King Aethelread the Unready. I don't understand how it's not yet been a question on QI, "How many Edwards have been king of England?" Correct answer: 11

 

[williamjm]

Better historically than Braveheart is one hell of a backhanded compliment.

That said, I've also heard it's better than average in that regard.

It's a slightly weird mix of being accurate about lots of historical events but then has a really silly bit at the end.

Overall I liked the film, but I thought it could have been better. Chris Pine isn't bad as Bruce and he makes a decent attempt at a Scottish accent, but while he does well with some aspects of the character he seemed to be lacking the charisma that would make him a leader people would want to follow in an apparently doomed cause.

Watched it last night. It is better than Braveheart , historically, less bombastic , so a bit of a better film.
Nicely mounted , but it feels unengaging , the characters are ok but needed better framing, Florence Pugh as Elizabeth de Burgh is the most memorable. It is an interesting story but needed a better narrative than we got.

I agree Florence Pugh was good. Aaron Taylor Johnson as The Black Douglas also had some memorable scenes, even if it's a bit distracting when he assaults Doune Castle and all I can think of is Monty Python.

 

[Vladd67]

He was the older half brother of the more (in)famous King Aethelread the Unready. I don't understand how it's not yet been a question on QI, "How many Edwards have been king of England?" Correct answer: 11

But were they all kings of England rather than English kingdoms?

 

[Narkalui]

If you want to split hairs then Edward the Elder was only ever crowned King of the West Saxons but he was referred to as King of the English (just like Alfred) for almost all of his reign. His son Aethelstan was crowned as King of England (well, King of the English. No one was crowned King of England until John)

 

[Al Jackson]

But were they all kings of England rather than English kingdoms?

I like that.
As messy as it was Rome at it's height was a , sort of, unified 'kingdom' when Rome extended Roman citizenship to the rest of Italy and some of the empire. When all that broke down it became Italian kingdoms, for a long long time, So England , sort of, did the opposite. (Well other places in Europe too.)