Family coat of arms.

Vertigo said:
Yes a coat of arms is strictly speaking only for an individual not even a family, I think, and they don't necessarily persist unchanged down through the generations. If that person married someone who also had a coat of arms then the two would be merged based on all sorts of arcane rules and the next generation would have a modified one. Or at least that's how I understood it. However these days I'm not sure that gets done much any longer.
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This is almost 100% correct, except that a "coat of arms" strictly applies to a garment with the escutcheon or armorial achievement embroidered on it, (whereas most people think of a full achievement when they talk about a "coat of arms.") This is all laid down in statue from the time of Henry VIII.

In addition, the use of "Family Crests" (the part of the overall coat of arms that is a a three-dimensional object at the top) was probably a Victorian invention - they also invented Clan Tartans. Having a coat of arms or family crest is quite rare, and having the hereditary right to use it is even rarer. The many companies advertising on the internet to sell you merchandise with your supposed “family crest” on it are usually not engaged in legitimate genealogical research, and have more likely made up a crest that may not belong to your family at all.
 
You could always make your own

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Dave said:
Except that they have stored your IP address and have stored cookies on your machine
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Not me. I use UBlock Origin to block all third-party scripts/frames. I use Vivaldi (Chromium based) to only allow per-session cookies from first-party sites that I'm only temporarily visiting and block all third-party cookies.
And since I'm not allowing Javascript based ad-slingers, I never see adverts anyway.

Paranoid? Me? You betcha! ;)
 
I was glad to see the person at that site mention that the meaning of colors varied across countries and over time. So much heraldic information is presented as fixed fact when it is in fact peculiar to the British Isles (an altogether peculiar place) and is for the most part post-medieval. Doesn't make it wrong; it's just not universal--a fact that fantasy writers can put to good use.
 
sknox said:
I was glad to see the person at that site mention that the meaning of colors varied across countries and over time. So much heraldic information is presented as fixed fact when it is in fact peculiar to the British Isles (an altogether peculiar place) and is for the most part post-medieval. Doesn't make it wrong; it's just not universal--a fact that fantasy writers can put to good use.
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If you mean specifically 'heraldry' as in the technical subject about costs of arms - yeah its a European thing (not peculiar to the UK only - surprised with all your family connections you didn't know that :))

Yet clearly if you look at a wide range of human cultures there's clearly emblems that people used to represent organisations, kingdoms, clans, towns even. Have a look at the Japanese Mons.Yeah, not called heraldry but are essentially the same thing. An emblem originally signifying an aristocratic family, but now greatly expanded.

Pretty sure if you dig into most other cultures you'll find something we could call heraldry.
 
Venusian Broon said:
Pretty sure if you dig into most other cultures you'll find something we could call heraldry.
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Aren't Company Logos and Product Branding just a continuation of the same kind of symbolism? What about Football Clubs and other sports clubs? "Three Lions on their shirts"

BTW I pointed out to @HareBrain once the supporting Otters on the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Salters (one of the livery companies of the City of London.)

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nixie said:
I don't, know Elliott has three separate coats of Arms, English, Irish and Scottish, brother done some research on ours because he wanted the Elliott tartan for a wedding, turns out we were descended from the border reivers.
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Try googling my signature...;)
 
Pretty sure heralds would insist on a narrower definition of heraldry. But that makes me wonder: are there heralds elsewhere in Europe? Do (or did) they exist in Germany, Hungary, Sweden, Portugal? A quick bit of research shows that coats of arms appear all across Europe, but I couldn't find the actual office of herald anywhere but in England. Doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't there.

I did get a giggle out of finding that one of the early books on heraldry was written by Bartolus of Sassoferrato. I'd read him as a political theorist; never knew he'd written that other tome. Plus, his is one of my favorite names to say aloud, right up there with Walter von der Vogelweide and Hermann the German. No good reason why.

That Wikipedia article also mention socialist heraldic arms, which I just find hysterical.
 
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