A World Without Turtles - Intro

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Dear forum,

ok - so let's try this.
I'm asking for feedback about the intro of the first chapter of my novel "A World Without Turtles".
It's a sci-fi novel, eco-fiction, and the second draft is 75% finished. So far only my alpha-reader (husband) has read it.

The excerpt has ~1100 words. I know there is an issue with the tenses, as the first two paragraphs are past tense, and
the rest is present tense. Not sure exactly if I should change it, or if I can treat the first paragraph as a kind of intro-intro
and leave it that way.
What I'm more afraid of is that you'll say it's too wordy and too little action...

Be honest and have no mercy! I'm here to learn!

*nervous chuckle*
Lisa

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A World Without Turtles
Part I


Anna was underwater when she met her, on a research dive. They regularly monitored the starfish population
they had reintroduced six months earlier. The pink starfish, or Artiaster roseus, was a hybrid and a product of
careful genetic engineering and ecological consideration. Lito and she were working alongside each other.
They needed to record the GPS-data of the starfish they found, read out the chips with their identification
numbers, take measurements and tissue samples. That was her job. In order to survey their impact as a key-
stone reef species, Lito was responsible for monitoring their effect on the reef. He took soil samples and counted
the invasive Egyptian penny mussels and a number of other small reef species which they hoped the starfish
would predate on.

Lito was a few meters behind her, on the other side of a patch of dying coral, when she saw the turtle: gliding
towards her with ease, out of the deep blue. She was big, almost Anna's size, but she moved as though she
weighed nothing. Her carapace was colored in shades of green, blue, and a dark red. Every scale on her body
had a different color, and was framed by white, leathery skin. Her fins were moving gently up and down.
Anna held a starfish in her hand at that moment. She had just measured its diameter and arm circumference,
measures that would help monitor their health. It wriggled between her fingers. The turtle stopped in front
of Anna, and looked at her, curiously, out of these old, knowing eyes. Her face with the pointy beak looked
like the face of a friendly grandmother. Anna reached out her hand, then pulled it back. A wild turtle! She had
never met a wild turtle. Now her head was only a meter away from Anna's face. The turtle's black eyes held
her gaze. Suddenly, she turned and swam away.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It’s the year 154 AF, after the Fires, long after they had domesticated the turtles on a global scale. With a little
bit of genetic engineering, turtles were found to be: excellent guides for underwater vessels, also under difficult
circumstances; easy to train for surveillance and maintenance tasks; apt at learning to carry weapons and
finding mines; reliable guiding animals for the blind. Many were born blind these days. Currently the rate
hovers at around 50% and growing. More and more babies are born with their eyes closed, as if they were
sleeping, the eyeball under the closed lid dysfunctional. A genetic problem that many scientists and whole
labs are working hard to resolve. But there are also other issues at hand that demand attention. And with
half of the social and economic life having already moved underwater, some people argue that it is the right
time to rethink which organs and senses humans actually need, and those they can do without.

They break through the surface, and pull themselves back up on the boat.

“Did you see the turtle?” Anna asks Lito right away.

He hasn’t. He also doesn't think it likely, and says that she probably confused a rock, or a shadow for a
turtle, and then he turns towards the sun, and dozes off.
Anna signs the turtle to take the boat back to the research station, which is easy enough in today’s calm
waters, and they speed off. The Eilat research compound, where their lab is located, is a city in itself.
Formerly a tourism hotspot, most of the giant hotels that had regularly housed tens of thousands of tourists
looking for sun, sea, and party on the Red Sea shores had been turned into laboratories and research facilities,
housing some of the brightest minds and most innovative research projects. After the formation of the
Five-State-Alliance between Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria in the year 67 AF, that was built officially
in order to cooperate on environmental challenges in the region, but inofficially in order to prevent the
inevitable genetic collapse by triggering migration and genetic exchange, the region changed.

The majority of the populations of the five countries moved to the fertile regions: the Nile delta, and to
the area around the North of Israel and the South of Lebanon, and avoided the growing extinction zones —
which was basically all the rest. The alliance was a success, for all it’s worth. The gentic census data taken
every five years showed that the average genetic destruction rate progressed at a slightly slower rate, and
surveys showed a slow, but steady increase of intercultural marriages. The five leading parties of the alliance
partners, who had merged into one conflict-ridden party, congratulated themselves that their crafty plan
had worked out.

Despite these small successes, the birth rate was still in free fall. Had been, for several decades. With the
consequential decrease in population, many villages and cities in the periphery were abandoned. Eilat was
one of them. Research institutes quickly jumped at the opportunity to move into the disused infrastructures
by the Red Sea — a sea known for the last more-or-less functional coral reefs on Earth, with a greater
biodiversity than any other marine area, and thus also a treasure of genetic material that had become scarce.
The half-flooded buildings lining the shore, victims of the rising sea level, slowly turned into amphibuildings,
reappropriated by newcomers in need of blended marine-terrestrial environments, who didn’t complain
about flooded living rooms, or used by research institutions who needed direct access to the ocean.

Lito wakes up just in time, as they are getting back to the lab. "Thanks for steering, Anna."
He blows a kiss in her direction, and starts to get out of his wetsuit.
He doesn't mind anyone seeing him naked. Never has.

“I didn’t do anything. Lini103 did all by herself.” She strokes the proud turtle’s head.

Anna is used to him and his quirks by now, and has at one point started to actually like him. Completely undressed,
Anna can see Lito's brown skin, his muscular body, scattered with sparkling red scales. This is due to the marine
DNA that his parents had used to repair his dysfunctional embryo after learning that his chances of survival,
if untreated, hovered somewhere around less than 15%. That’s generally considered an alright probability,
but it was not good enough for them. Lito's mother is a geneticist, and his father a taxonomist. They did their
own research on the topic, and decided for two sequences of DNA from the Flame Angelfish, Centropyge
loricula
, to be inserted into their unborn son's genome. And thus Lito was born, a healthy boy with webbed
fingers, strong lungs - an underwater performance of 120% - red scales, brown skin, and crimson hair.
 
There is an interesting story buried somewhere in all of this.
What I have done is remove all the info dump to find that the only thing that needs explaining is what I inserted in the red.
Everything else can wait till later.

However you might want to work on making the story a bit more enticing to the reader and the enticing is not all the info-dump.


They break through the surface, and pull themselves back up on the boat.

“Did you see the turtle?” Anna asks Lito right away. Since their domestication and uprising to intelligent behavior, finding a turtle in the wild would be remarkable if not uncanny.

He hasn’t. He also doesn't think it likely, and says that she probably confused a rock, or a shadow for a
turtle, and then he turns towards the sun, and dozes off.


Lito wakes up just in time, as they are getting back to the lab. "Thanks for steering, Anna."
He blows a kiss in her direction, and starts to get out of his wetsuit.
He doesn't mind anyone seeing him naked. Never has.

“I didn’t do anything. Lini103 did all by herself.” She strokes the proud turtle’s head.

Anna is used to him and his quirks by now, and has at one point started to actually like him. Completely undressed,
Anna can see Lito's brown skin, his muscular body, scattered with sparkling red scales. This is due to the marine
DNA that his parents had used to repair his dysfunctional embryo after learning that his chances of survival,
if untreated, hovered somewhere around less than 15%. That’s generally considered an alright probability,
but it was not good enough for them. Lito's mother is a geneticist, and his father a taxonomist. They did their
own research on the topic, and decided for two sequences of DNA from the Flame Angelfish, Centropyge
loricula
, to be inserted into their unborn son's genome. And thus Lito was born, a healthy boy with webbed
fingers, strong lungs - an underwater performance of 120% - red scales, brown skin, and crimson hair.

This should highlight to you how little is happening here and though there might be conflict and inciting incident and characterization buried in the info dump--I'm pretty certain there isn't any of that there. There will be plenty of advice following mine; some of which might include looking at
Which I think you should do.

But wait for more responses.
 
Um.. yes. Sorry, but I'm going to say it's too wordy and too little happening. Practically all of this is backstory and world building. It's stuff which you need to know, and we might need to find out, but it really shouldn't be dumped in the first two scenes like this. Instead, you need to filter it in as needed throughout the novel.

There are some things which caught my nit-picking eye -- not necessarily wrong English, but just not quite right or potentially confusing. Would it help if I pointed some of them out?


EDIT: I've just re-read your post and your query regarding the tenses. In point of fact I'm wrestling with exactly this issue for a short story, but in my case the past tense version of my opening line reads much better than the present tense could possibly do. So I'm left with the option of keeping it all present tense and losing a good opening, or finding some way to reconcile the demands of both. Here, though, the past tense of your two opening paragraphs doesn't give you any advantage over present tense -- the latter would do its job just as well. So to my mind there's no reason to keep those two paragraphs in past tense, and my advice would be to put both into present. Whether the whole novel might be better in past tense is another issue, of course!
 
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@The Judge 's edit: yeah, I think I'll change it to the present tense. It's also not really removed from the rest of the story to justify having different tenses.

strange how you're blind for your own info-dumping while realizing it rather easily with texts others wrote *facepalm*. I guess I'll need another rewrite. Suddenly it's all pretty obvious...
@tinkerdan I guess I can take the three paragraphs you cut and blended them in somewhere else in smaller doses.

I also ordered the cat-book for novelists...
 
The Judge said:
Whether the whole novel might be better in past tense is another issue, of course!
@The Judge 's edit: yeah, I think I'll change it to the present tense. It's also not really removed from the rest of the story to justify having different tenses.

I'd be interested to see if there's actually a correlation between how many people read/enjoy a book and the tense it's written in. Personally, I read the first two paras, started on the third, after the dots, and stopped, because I really can't read any story written in the present tense - never have been able to, sorry.
 
Actually, now I look properly, most of the things I noticed are issues of style, rather than English. I'll mention some anyway, for what they're worth.

Anna was underwater when she met her, on a research dive. -- I found the "her" really confusing as your next sentence begins "They" which suggests Anna and the mysterious "her" are the "they". So I first thought Lito was "her" which made little sense as they're working together, of course, so I'm wondering if that first line is a flashback to their first meeting. Then Lito turns out to be male, so that doubles down on the confusion! To avoid the problem, I'd suggest removing "her" and make it "the turtle". In any event, I'd suggest making the first line a separate para, and if you want to keep "her" start the next para "Anna and Lito" ("She" could too easily refer to the "her").

was underwater -- we don't really need this and "dive" since they're giving us more or less the same info, but "research dive" is more interesting than plain "underwater", so of the two, this is the one I'd lose.

on a research dive. -- putting this at the end of the sentence after introducing "her" makes it seem like the mysterious "her" is also on the research dive! As a general point, there are two places of power in an English sentence, the beginning and the end, so it's usually best to put the most interesting bits there, and the research dive isn't in itself important enough to claim one of them. So I'd suggest "Anna was on a research dive when she met her/the turtle."

as a key-stone -- keystone is one word, not hyphenated, but although it's not wrong, and I can well imagine it's used in technical literature, it's not the word a layman would use in this sentence, which is more likely to be just "key".

would predate on. -- predate upon. NB Although we're taught that we should avoid ending a sentence with a preposition, it's a rule that's largely ignored, and this is fine here, but it's always worth thinking whether the sentence can be rearranged to avoid it.

when she saw the turtle: gliding -- colon wrong, it only requires a comma there.

She was big, almost Anna's size, -- presumably a turtle's sex is immediately apparent? Even so, perhaps "A female" might just help to show Anna has considered the issue. And since we don't know how big Anna is, some measurement might help!

Her carapace was colored in shades of green, blue, and a dark red. -- I'm not sure exactly how you see these colours, but it's either "shades of blue and green, and a dark red" ie the red is only ever that one shade or "shades of blue, green and dark red" with no "a" there.

Every scale on her body had a different color, -- on the first (and second and third...) read this seemed merely to be repeating what you'd already said, so I was going to suggest running the sentence on to avoid the repetitive effect, ie "... dark red, every scale of her body a different colour, and each framed by..." But I've just clicked that you mean her flippers etc as opposed to her shell. I still think run the sentence on but now "... red, while every scale on her body was ..." . If you do prefer it as a discrete sentence, "was" is probably better than "had". (You'll note in one version I have "scale of her body" and the other "scale on" -- I've no idea why, but the "on" doesn't work in the first version, where both clauses refer to the same thing, whereas it does in the second, where they are separate. English is a mystery even to those of us born to it!)

looked at her, curiously, -- "curiously" is a dangerous word to use, as it can mean both someone is looking with curiosity in his/her gaze, or the whole thing is curious, so it's best to make it clear which is meant. And since Anna can't know there's curiosity in a turtle's character, you ought to soften this so eg "with something like curiosity in her eyes"

out of these old, knowing eyes. -- the "these" is wrong there, since there hasn't been a reference to the eyes previously. Just leave it as "out of old..."

Her face with the pointy beak looked like -- strictly commas needed after "face" and "beak", "the" should be "its", and the close repetition of "looked" is rather clumsy.

looked like the face of a friendly grandmother. -- do grandmothers have pointy beaks??!

Suddenly, she turned and swam away. -- potential confusion over which "she" there so best to say "the turtle".


As I say, mostly style issues, rather than errors, but I hope that's of some help.
 
I'll never understand this...
I really can't read any story written in the present tense - never have been able to, sorry.
Charles Stross has a series--The Laundry Series--from what I can tell the whole thing is in first person present tense and it''s quite popular. I have enjoyed those that I've read even being fully aware that it is first person present tense.

You most likely would not read any of my novels.

Anyway:
I have to agree with @The Judge in that I was confused most of the way about who the her was; though I eventually figured out it was the turtle.
 
I do like the focus on the scientific in this - that's a good tone to set for anything that is science fiction. :)

However, you do keep drifting into "telling" to the point of over-explaining things. You'll provide us with a natural sentence, stop it, then create a new sentence to explain what you just meant. This makes the prose comes across as stilted. For example:

Completely undressed,
Anna can see Lito's brown skin, his muscular body, scattered with sparkling red scales. This is due to the marine
DNA that his parents had used to repair his dysfunctional embryo after learning that his chances of survival,
if untreated, hovered somewhere around less than 15%.

Of course, the explanation of how humans have resettled around South West Asia is also a big and long explanation that you really don't need at this point in the story. Don't worry, though, it's very common for new writers to think they have to do this, but honestly, you don't - drip the information you need to through the story. And think carefully about the flow of words when you do - let explanations of any kind be short and succinct and flow naturally in the story, rather than stop it to provide the explanation.

Altogether, though, you have an intriguing setting and are handling English well. And don't make any changes yet - just get the first draft finished first, then come back and look at any rewriting or polishing that may be required. Good luck. :)
 
With a little
bit of genetic engineering, turtles were found to be: excellent guides for underwater vessels, also under difficult
circumstances; easy to train for surveillance and maintenance tasks; apt at learning to carry weapons and
finding mines; reliable guiding animals for the blind
Aw come on!
Surely at least four of them could be abandoned down a sewer and grow up eating pizza?
 
I am used to delivering inline comment paragraph by para, so I have copied the whole thing.

Anna was underwater when she met her, on a research dive. They regularly monitored the starfish population
they had reintroduced six months earlier. The pink starfish, or Artiaster roseus, was a hybrid and a product of
careful genetic engineering and ecological consideration. Lito and she were working alongside each other.
They needed to record the GPS-data of the starfish they found, read out the chips with their identification
numbers, take measurements and tissue samples. That was her job. In order to survey their impact as a key-
stone reef species, Lito was responsible for monitoring their effect on the reef. He took soil samples and counted
the invasive Egyptian penny mussels and a number of other small reef species which they hoped the starfish
would predate on.

met her - met who? The opening paragraph is strong on scientific detail, but is not a strong story hook.

Lito was a few meters behind her, on the other side of a patch of dying coral, when she saw the turtle: gliding
towards her with ease, out of the deep blue. She was big, almost Anna's size, but she moved as though she
weighed nothing. Her carapace was colored in shades of green, blue, and a dark red. Every scale on her body
had a different color, and was framed by white, leathery skin. Her fins were moving gently up and down.
Anna held a starfish in her hand at that moment. She had just measured its diameter and arm circumference,
measures that would help monitor their health. It wriggled between her fingers. The turtle stopped in front
of Anna, and looked at her, curiously, out of these old, knowing eyes. Her face with the pointy beak looked
like the face of a friendly grandmother. Anna reached out her hand, then pulled it back. A wild turtle! She had
never met a wild turtle. Now her head was only a meter away from Anna's face. The turtle's black eyes held
her gaze. Suddenly, she turned and swam away.

A nicely written paragraph, which might be a better opening for the story.
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It’s the year 154 AF, after the Fires, long after they had domesticated the turtles on a global scale. With a little
bit of genetic engineering, turtles were found to be: excellent guides for underwater vessels, also under difficult
circumstances; easy to train for surveillance and maintenance tasks; apt at learning to carry weapons and
finding mines; reliable guiding animals for the blind. Many were born blind these days. Currently the rate
hovers at around 50% and growing. More and more babies are born with their eyes closed, as if they were
sleeping, the eyeball under the closed lid dysfunctional. A genetic problem that many scientists and whole
labs are working hard to resolve. But there are also other issues at hand that demand attention. And with
half of the social and economic life having already moved underwater, some people argue that it is the right
time to rethink which organs and senses humans actually need, and those they can do without.

A solid chunk of backstory/background. Do we really need to know all this right now? Also not entirely convinced that genetically engineered turtles would be suited to the above tasks. It is often easier to get away with this sort of thing if you just show them in action. Who is born blind? I thought at first you meant the turtles? BTW, how does she know it's a wild turtle?

They break through the surface, and pull themselves back up on the boat.

On the subject of present tense narration, this is something that I tend to find annoying. I found the opening od Sally Rooney's "Normal people" annoying and only carried on to see what all the fuss was about. Admittedly your use of present tense is not that annoying here.

“Did you see the turtle?” Anna asks Lito right away.

He hasn’t. He also doesn't think it likely, and says that she probably confused a rock, or a shadow for a
turtle, and then he turns towards the sun, and dozes off.

An obnoxiously dismissive reaction from him - she should be able to tell the diference between a turtle and a rock.

Anna signs the turtle to take the boat back to the research station, which is easy enough in today’s calm
waters, and they speed off. The Eilat research compound, where their lab is located, is a city in itself.
Formerly a tourism hotspot, most of the giant hotels that had regularly housed tens of thousands of tourists
looking for sun, sea, and party on the Red Sea shores had been turned into laboratories and research facilities,
housing some of the brightest minds and most innovative research projects. After the formation of the
Five-State-Alliance between Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria in the year 67 AF, that was built officially
in order to cooperate on environmental challenges in the region, but inofficially in order to prevent the
inevitable genetic collapse by triggering migration and genetic exchange, the region changed.

Signs the turtle - the same turtle or a tame one? In nitpicking mode, why use a turtle? Why does she not steer the boat back herself or (this being the future) enter the destination on the nav. panel and take a nap)?

The majority of the populations of the five countries moved to the fertile regions: the Nile delta, and to
the area around the North of Israel and the South of Lebanon, and avoided the growing extinction zones —
which was basically all the rest. The alliance was a success, for all it’s worth. The gentic census data taken
every five years showed that the average genetic destruction rate progressed at a slightly slower rate, and
surveys showed a slow, but steady increase of intercultural marriages. The five leading parties of the alliance
partners, who had merged into one conflict-ridden party, congratulated themselves that their crafty plan
had worked out.

This is an info-dump, and this information, if really needed, should be drip-fed in later.

Despite these small successes, the birth rate was still in free fall. Had been, for several decades. With the
consequential decrease in population, many villages and cities in the periphery were abandoned. Eilat was
one of them. Research institutes quickly jumped at the opportunity to move into the disused infrastructures
by the Red Sea — a sea known for the last more-or-less functional coral reefs on Earth, with a greater
biodiversity than any other marine area, and thus also a treasure of genetic material that had become scarce.
The half-flooded buildings lining the shore, victims of the rising sea level, slowly turned into amphibuildings,
reappropriated by newcomers in need of blended marine-terrestrial environments, who didn’t complain
about flooded living rooms, or used by research institutions who needed direct access to the ocean.

More info-dump.

Lito wakes up just in time, as they are getting back to the lab. "Thanks for steering, Anna."
He blows a kiss in her direction, and starts to get out of his wetsuit.
He doesn't mind anyone seeing him naked. Never has.

Most readers will take the last line as a sign that Lito is the male love interest.

“I didn’t do anything. Lini103 did all by herself.” She strokes the proud turtle’s head.

My comments above. Present-day humans manage to steer a boat without the aid of a turtle.

Anna is used to him and his quirks by now, and has at one point started to actually like him. Completely undressed,
Anna can see Lito's brown skin, his muscular body, scattered with sparkling red scales. This is due to the marine
DNA that his parents had used to repair his dysfunctional embryo after learning that his chances of survival,
if untreated, hovered somewhere around less than 15%. That’s generally considered an alright probability,
but it was not good enough for them. Lito's mother is a geneticist, and his father a taxonomist. They did their
own research on the topic, and decided for two sequences of DNA from the Flame Angelfish, Centropyge
loricula, to be inserted into their unborn son's genome. And thus Lito was born, a healthy boy with webbed
fingers, strong lungs - an underwater performance of 120% - red scales, brown skin, and crimson hair.

Info dump again. Do we really need to know this right now?

Sorry if I am coming over as being a bit negative. This is well-written, and contains some potentially interesting scientific ideas and environmental prediction, but there is too much info-dumping and not enough story.
If you show your human characters at work, have them see the turtle, make some interesting discovery (or better still, encounter a problem) and hurry back to shore so we get a view of the half-submerged buildings, that sort of thing would work better as a story.
 
Woooowwww everyone!
I'm crying tears of gratefulness!
Thank you!! This is amazing!

I don't know how to quote your posts, so I'll reply here to some of the things said:

@Cosmic Geoff thanks for looking at this in such depth. This is super helpful for rewriting, as I don't myself notice most stuff that comes across as unclear. To explain the turtles: it's a post-fossil-fuel world, and domesticated/modified turtles have taken over much work that used to depend on fossil fuel. I hope that will be convincing if shown more in action...
And no, Lito is not the love interest. He's gay, which will become clear later. This might be a bit ambiguous at first, but why not.

@dannymcg sorry, not currently part of the plan... maybe as a sequel ;)

@Brian G Turner thank you! Yes, now that you pointed it out I see the second-explanatory-sentence thing I'm doing. This helps a lot, thank you!

@The Judge thank you sooo much for this super-detailed feedback!! Absolutely awesome!!!

I don't think any of my currently assigned beta-readers will go to such lengths to give feedback -- this has been extremely helpful and I can't wait to return to my desk to rewrite :-D
 
I didn't feel much emotion in the first few paragraphs. Reading through, I am not sure you need a negative one like danger, fear, dread, anger,etc.. , but possibly wonder or excitement. Maybe if Lito had mentioned something about how she spends too much time with the domesticated turtles before she saw the wild one. And that her camera was broken that day so she couldn't get a picture, and Lito teased her about seeing the wild one, that she was imaging things. I guess I, as a human on Earth, am having a hard time feeling emotions about this turtle, so I need the character to do it for me. Just some rambling ideas; I would be curious to see what ideas your beta readers come back with for comparison sake.
 
thanks @Jesse Harris . Yes I think the problem is that I see/saw the scene so clearly in front of my inner eye that I didn't bother describing it enough. Thanks for your suggestions!
and yes: it should be wonder and excitement, I agree!
I sometimes find this hard - how to show emotion without "telling"?

I think (hope) the rest of the novel is better in these terms...
It's not with the beta-readers yet, I have to finish rewriting the last part -- and now I also want to rewrite all the intros to avoid info-dumping.
 
I sometimes find this hard - how to show emotion without "telling"?

Coming from similar issues myself, I found it helpful to use 'body language'. Things like tenseness are fairly common, describing breathing is maybe overdone, but both build a vivid picture of what a character is feeling without flat out saying it. You could take it further with similar descriptions on anything like eyes, blushes, shaking, etc, but don't go too far - I've been down the rabbit hole of overdoing it myself.

and now I also want to rewrite all the intros to avoid info-dumping.

Again something I have fought with. I found it useful to 'cut' all info dumps and 'paste' them into a separate section. Then I went back through the cut down version and added only the critical explanations back in. Each time I did, I'd delete ONLY what I used from the separate section, in some cases using only part of a sentence from before. When done it leaves you with a more streamlined introduction and you have the other section showing exactly what you still need to add down the line, when you find a more natural time to place it.
 
I don't have a lot to add that hasn't been said. This opening is too busy framing the story to really engage our curiousity as to what's going on. It removes the sense of immediacy. And I don't mind a story that doesn't require a sense of immediacy but - if the hook isn't in the events, it needs to be in the prose. It needs to be beautiful and poetic, or very evocative of the sense of being there, or possessed of a wry sense of humour, and I didn't get any of that. The evocativeness would be an easy one; I've read authors who've written about diving and who made me feel like I was there. Here I get no sense of what it'd be like.

Can I suggest sticking up a rewrite of this scene here once you get it done?
 
@.matthew. thanks -- yes, I was actually going for the same thing. I'm rewriting another part of the novel, and noticed that I'm writing a big fat info-dump. But I simply left it all in one section, and I'll use it as a source. I guess I'll do the same for this story part.
Yeah - shrugging, frowning, blushing, smiling -- arrrghh I do it too, but I find it a bit clumsy... :-/

@The Big Peat yes, I'll post a rewrite, but it'll be a few weeks until I get to it -- unless you think I should rather do it quicker as long as people remember this post...?
 
Yea, it does feel clumsy. I figure it's about moderation, not too much and said in interesting ways rather than just "He smiled." Not that simple can't work, but they're not like "he said" that just fades into the background and gets ignored - a reader notices the repetition.
 
I've rewritten the opening scenes. Not everything, just the first part. It would be great to hear your thoughts on the changes, @tinkerdan @Parson @The Judge @Brian G Turner @Cosmic Geoff @Jesse Harris @.matthew. @The Big Peat and everyone else who has opinions ;)

Is the last paragraph which is a reduced info-dump work at that position, or is it still too much information? I would let it follow another active scene with dialogue.

Thanks again everyone! :)
Cheers,
Azoraa

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The wriggling, pink starfish in one hand, Anna turns around to see where Lito is. A wave almost throws her off balance, and she holds onto a branch of false tree coral in the last moment without dropping the little animal. She can’t see Lito. She looks up. The surface is maybe ten meters above her. He must be further down, taking samples of the sea floor.

Anna frowns, and sets to work. She takes out the meter, and starts measuring the starfish who becomes increasingly impatient, moving his arms back and forth.

Chip read-out - click.

GPS location - click.

Diameter - click.

Arm circumference - click.

With every click, the measurements enter her database. And it looks good. This one is healthy, and growing well. It always amazes her how natural these hybrids look. A product of careful genetic engineering, Anna’s research group has introduced a batch of Artiaster roseus into the reef ecosystem six months ago. And this time, they actually seem to be doing well.

Suddenly, something swims right towards her, and Anna startles and drops the starfish. A giant turtle is gliding towards her, appearing out of the deep blue. It is big, almost as big as Anna herself, but moves as though it weighs nothing.
A female. Her carapace is colored in shades of green, blue, and red. Almost every scale on her body has a different color, and is framed by white, leathery skin. Her fins are moving gently up and down.
What’s she doing here? All the domestic turtles should be working now. Those on break are on the plantations, but the plantations are far from here. Is she an escapee?

Anna looks for the turtle’s ID on her collar, ready to send a message with her wristband. But she can’t see a collar. More than that, she can’t even see the mark a collar would leave if taken off for some reason — even though she can’t think of any reason why someone would take off a turtle’s collar. She frowns. That doesn’t make any sense. She also doesn’t wear towing gear. And even the military puts collars on their turtles, albeit Anna has never seen one of their high-tec turtle collars up close.
And then her heart skips a beat. There is algae on the turtle’s carapace, and on the rest of her body. That is not possible. It’s simply impossible. Domestic turtles are cleaned every evening.
She thinks hard.
Could it be? A wild turtle?
No — they have been extinct for too long.
The turtle stops in front of Anna, and simply looks at her. She looks at her with curiousity, out of old, knowing eyes. These eyes. So black. Different from the turtles Anna knows. Wilder. The way she looks at her…
Anna reaches out her hand, then pulls it back. And if it really is a wild turtle? How would she greet her?
The turtle’s head is only a meter away from Anna's face. Anna’s breath goes quicker. Black eyes hold her gaze. Suddenly, the turtle turns and swims away.

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It’s the year 154 AF, after the Fires, long after they had domesticated the turtles on a global scale. With a little bit of genetic engineering, turtles were found to be: excellent guides for underwater vessels, also under difficult circumstances; easy to train for surveillance and maintenance tasks; apt at learning to carry weapons and finding mines; reliable guiding animals for the blind. And if you have run out of fossil fuels, and have to deal with a stark increase in genetically damaged humans that need guiding animals, these assets are unbeatable.
And with half of the social and economic life having already moved underwater, turtles were the obvious way to go.

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First thoughts. A lot better. I still understand what's going on and I don't see a lot of worldbuilding to pull me out of the story.

The wriggling, pink starfish in one hand, Anna turns around to see where Lito is.
Maybe flip that around so it starts with Anna turns?
Anna turns around to see where Lito is, the wriggling pink starfish cupped in one hand.

moving his arms
Is it a he or would you refer to them as an it? I don't know how marine biologists think :)

EDIT: quote from a page about starfish: "Most species of starfish are gonochorous, there being separate male and female individuals. These are usually not distinguishable externally as the gonads cannot be seen"

A product of careful genetic engineering, Anna’s research group has introduced a batch of Artiaster roseus into the reef ecosystem six months ago. And this time, they actually seem to be doing well.
A wee bit of info dumping there, or maybe just a little clunky.
A product of careful genetic engineering introduced by Anna's research group six months ago. The reefs were now teeming with Artiaster Roseus, so many she couldn't imagine how they would count them all.


albeit Anna has never seen one of their high-tec turtle collars up close.
I liked the rest of that sentence, but was thrown by this line. Maybe the albeit or the high-tec. If it's important to the story maybe have the military use implants with only a small visible antenna or something to make them different from the commercial ones.
 

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