A chain of soldier werewolves in a family tree

You're right. But alot of the conflicts that will happen with each of the characters will be based on alot of fictional villains that take part. Because of werewolves, vampires and other beings can exist and with the occult being around. Because there is some kind of connection with "what's out there" but for now I'll stick with werewolves :p
 
At this point, you probably don't want to add any extra complications, since in the process of writing the story there will almost certainly be more than enough (unexpected) complications that will develop naturally.

Also, while brainstorming can be useful, at some point (soon, I think) you'll need to stop asking what people think, write the story, and find out what works and doesn't work in that way. Because really, that is the only way you can ever know for sure
 
You are right. As odd as this may sound, my original plans were to focus on the twins as the main protagonists, before I even thought about the past time periods. They were the first characters I thought up of with having werewolf genes and powers. But I wanted to get some understanding for myself on how it all started and tracing their history of ggrandparents/grandparents/parents, etc is how I was figuring out what powers and abilities they would have. I just got carried away with putting too much thought into it now ;)
 
i think if you are going to focus on genetics then you run the risk of painting yourself into a corner unless you weave the story around proper neo-mendelian principles. It could all get a bit tedious if there is too much explication. Might be better to gloss over some of this with a bit of mysticism, or werewolf-as-STD sort of thing.
 
I agree. I'm actually looking to add more mystical elements into the story and the supernatural. Should give me more leeway to figuring things out. Even having the occult in the story helps.
 
Thank you :)

Edit: Now if I say that she had the werewolf genes in her, prior to WWII would it be best if I said someone put a curse on her before she was born like on her mother or when she was first born? Since the Thule Society began in 1918, there could of been plenty of time before WWII where she was cursed and how she was discovered by the Nazis to be a werewolf at the time during WWII.

This is why I was going to have it that the Nazis did some kind of magic experiment on her turing her into a werewolf so it would seem less offensive if she was already one to begin with. Since she would be a concentration camp victim and put in the gas chamber and survives, would most likely make her Jewish since they were the ones put into these death camps the most? If she is Polish JewIsh and I just go with that she was a werewolf genetically, before WWII, it might come off as being offensive to a group that had been degraded or attacked or seen as an inferior race and my concern is it might seem like some sort of bad metaphor. Kind of what I've been told once before if I made her a Romani as they were depicted as monsters or being inferior beasts as well during WWII. Will this give the impression that out of all the victims a Jewish Polish girl and her family just happen to be werewolves?

Does a lycan curse or spell put on her as a baby make sense?
 
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WolfSpirit0909 said:
Does a lycan curse or spell put on her as a baby make sense?
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I'd say no. Traditional werewolf lore is transmission through bites, but there's some about hereditary bloodlines that would work well into your story.

I also wouldn't see it as offensive if you made the family werewolves. Treat them like normal people, who just happen to be a pack of wolves. There doesn't have to be anything derogatory in that. That's where the family dynamic and loyalty traits of wild wolves help too.

Werewolf family gets rounded up, unknown as werewolves, girl survives gas chamber (or maybe something less graphic), nazis experiment, thule society in charge or something, turn some soldiers, she escapes?, meets some allied forces, maybe saves them from a few of the nazi wolves, political bit about allied anti thule units, they begin hunting down the wolves with her help?
 
Traditionally, curses of all sorts can be inherited down through the generations, either for a specific number of generations or indefinitely unless something is done to lift the curse, so if you go with that you don't have to worry about the genetics. But then you have to figure out why someone would curse an innocent baby. In happens in fairy tales of course, but in a more realistic setting you might need a very convincing reason. Or it could be be something she brings on herself inadvertently as a small child, like violating a taboo. Or it might not be a curse. It could be a spell cast by someone who wants to keep her alive in the war they predict is coming.
 
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I'd say no. Traditional werewolf lore is transmission through bites, but there's some about hereditary bloodlines that would work well into your story.

I also wouldn't see it as offensive if you made the family werewolves. Treat them like normal people, who just happen to be a pack of wolves. There doesn't have to be anything derogatory in that. That's where the family dynamic and loyalty traits of wild wolves help too.

Werewolf family gets rounded up, unknown as werewolves, girl survives gas chamber (or maybe something less graphic), nazis experiment, thule society in charge or something, turn some soldiers, she escapes?, meets some allied forces, maybe saves them from a few of the nazi wolves, political bit about allied anti thule units, they begin hunting down the wolves with her help?
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This works fine! If I keep it within her hereditary bloodline, then I should probably include other werewolf bloodline families that exist from other countries like from France, US, Russia, etc. Otherwise if it's just her and her family that happen to be werewolves it might come off as offensive, especially if she's Jewish, since the Nazis hated the Jews, I don't want it to seem like I'm only making a Jewish character a werewolf, unless I'm looking to much into this?

Which was why i was thinking of her maybe getting the lycan disease as a little girl, maybe from being bitten. Would explain why her family didn't survive the death camps but she did cause she wasn't human anymore? Not sure if ti will work or not but she'd obviously have more dominant stronger genes than her family.

Maybe after discovering her this leads to the Nazis discovering that there may be other werewolf families across Europe and the world that could exist in secrecy?

Oh and I forgot about the incident in Germany with the Night of Broken glass with the pogrom in 1938. that makes for a great scene with someone losing it and turning into a werewolf right?
 
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It could be a spell cast by someone who wants to keep her alive in the war they predict is coming.
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I think this would be very interesting to work into my story. Perhaps I can try writing down both, one with the hereditary cursed bloodline that her family had all along and the one saying that she was cursed as a child by someone's use to keep her to survive the war which is yet to come. Perhaps this was done by another werewolf who could predict or sense the war was coming since wolves have a keen sense of what's to come, or was a werewolf expert, witch or werewolf hunter. But I'd have to figure a good explanation of why this somebody would choose this girl in particularly to cast this spell on her.

Then I'll see which one is considered less offensive or gets less hate :)
 
The person casting the spell might be a grandparent or other relative, someone who would naturally have the girl's best interests at heart. As for why not cast the spell on other members of the family, maybe he or she only has enough power left to work it once, or older members of the family don't want it. (It's a mixed blessing, after all. And they could see it as something evil.) For that reason, the spell is cast on the child in secret. And it might not take effect at once. It might take effect at puberty. Or when the child turns seven, or twelve, or some other condition is met.

And I will say that hereditary werewolves living in familial wolf packs are more a feature of modern fantasy and horror novels than of traditional folk lore. There is really nothing like that in the older tales. I've read some old stories where black magicians got together and turned themselves into wolves at the full moon and attacked their neighbors as a pack, but that's a far cry from the the werewolf family/pack sort of thing, which is basically an urban fantasy thing influenced by television and gaming. Traditionally, a werewolf (if known) was an outlaw, an outcast. So casting the spell on the baby might be an act of desperation. Dark times are coming, the spell caster won't be there to protect her, etc. etc.

And since the kind of set up that one sees in most modern werewolf novels is not based on tradition, you don't have to follow those rules (unless you want to). You can follow older traditions (which, depending on where and when, offer a variety of ideas you could work from), or you can make up your own rules. If you want to do the research, I would suggest that you do look at some of the older stories, from the nineteenth century and earlier. You're more likely to find ideas that can be adapted to your story than if you limit yourself to what's being done with the urban fantasy werewolves, which are getting more and more derivative.
 
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The person casting the spell might be a grandparent or other relative, someone who would naturally have the girl's best interests at heart. As for why not cast the spell on other members of the family, maybe he or she only has enough power left to work it once, or older members of the family don't want it. (It's a mixed blessing, after all. And they could see it as something evil.) For that reason, the spell is cast on the child in secret. And it might not take effect at once. It might take effect at puberty. Or when the child turns seven, or twelve, or some other condition is met.
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Maybe when she gets put into the gas chamber plus with being moved around on Holocaust trains and her family killed, caused her the stress at her age which kicked in her werewolf genes? Yeah other family members seeing it as an evil spell would totally make sense.

Teresa Edgerton said:
And I will say that hereditary werewolves living in familial wolf packs are more a feature of modern fantasy and horror novels than of traditional folk lore. There is really nothing like that in the older tales. I've read some old stories where black magicians got together and turned themselves into wolves at the full moon and attacked their neighbors as a pack, but that's a far cry from the the werewolf family/pack sort of thing, which is basically an urban fantasy thing influenced by television and gaming. Traditionally, a werewolf (if known) was an outlaw, an outcast. So casting the spell on the baby might be an act of desperation. Dark times are coming, the spell caster won't be there to protect her, etc. etc.
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This I agree. I think hereditary werewolves will fit nicely in my novel because a lot of this will be urban fantasy as it relates to modern events. So as a last resort, the spell caster did what they had left, in hopes of it protecting her, works fine for me ;)

Teresa Edgerton said:
And since the kind of set up that one sees in most modern werewolf novels is not based on tradition, you don't have to follow those rules (unless you want to). You can follow older traditions (which, depending on where and when, offer a variety of ideas you could work from), or you can make up your own rules. If you want to do the research, I would suggest that you do look at some of the older stories, from the nineteenth century and earlier. You're more likely to find ideas that can be adapted to your story than if you limit yourself to what's being done with the urban fantasy werewolves, which are getting more and more derivative.
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I like this. what I can do is have the history of the lycanthrope curse take the traditional form centuries ago, but it has evolved after the events of WWII and the Nazis involvement and all the mixing with other spells and the military and governments interfering with it overtime, has changed the trope of how lycanthrope works in my world. sort of like an evolution of werewolves and i can show how that's changed compared to how they were in the nineteenth century or even earlier times?



Also would it also be a bad move to still include the Kristallnacht incident in Germany with a female werewolf or any werewolf going insane right before WWII began? I could say it was her aunt who was living in Germany at the time. Unless I want to say she's half German/Polish but her just being from a Polish family only is probably better.
 
I think at this point you need to start writing and see what develops from what you already have decided. Leave further decisions for the future, because they may resolve themselves on their own (by being the clear choice at some point).
 
I know, just a little nervous on how it will all turn out.

But it's common to think that way right? :unsure:
 
Yes, I think it is almost universal to feel that way. But you don't have to get it right the first time, you know. You can write and revise and try different ways of approaching it, until you are satisfied—perhaps a great deal more than satisfied—with the result.

I know that when I started writing what was to be the first book I ever actually finished I was terrified to show my writing to anyone but my husband for a long, long time. I felt as though any criticism would shatter me and I would never be able to face the manuscript again. (I also knew that I would NOT take criticism gracefully.) But of course the most critical and hard to satisfy reader was there the whole time—me. I struggled and struggled with it, and struggled some more. And then one day something just clicked and I began to see what I needed to do, what I needed to learn. It took me a year or two to reach that point, and I still had years to go. So don't be discouraged if your first attempts to write this aren't any good. First drafts are for experimenting and learning. Try not to worry too much about how it will all turn out. If you reach the end of your first draft and say to yourself, "This needs a lot of work," then you will know that you have made progress just to be able to see that.
 
Teresa Edgerton said:
Yes, I think it is almost universal to feel that way. But you don't have to get it right the first time, you know. You can write and revise and try different ways of approaching it, until you are satisfied—perhaps a great deal more than satisfied—with the result.
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This is what I should be focused on doing.

Teresa Edgerton said:
I know that when I started writing what was to be the first book I ever actually finished I was terrified to show my writing to anyone but my husband for a long, long time. I felt as though any criticism would shatter me and I would never be able to face the manuscript again. (I also knew that I would NOT take criticism gracefully.) But of course the most critical and hard to satisfy reader was there the whole time—me. I struggled and struggled with it, and struggled some more. And then one day something just clicked and I began to see what I needed to do, what I needed to learn. It took me a year or two to reach that point, and I still had years to go. So don't be discouraged if your first attempts to write this aren't any good. First drafts are for experimenting and learning. Try not to worry too much about how it will all turn out. If you reach the end of your first draft and say to yourself, "This needs a lot of work," then you will know that you have made progress just to be able to see that.
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That's a good way of looking at it. So ultimately I just have to go for it and just write it out! Regardless I probably won't get it right the first time. I'll most likely frustrate myself until I finally get it down the way I want. I'm glad others on here understand what it's like to go through a similar experience as I'm not the only one.
 
Yes, if you want company in that respect, you have come to the right place. I would say there are very few posting here in the writing section that have not experienced those same fears at some time.
 
Teresa Edgerton said:
Yes, if you want company in that respect, you have come to the right place. I would say there are very few posting here in the writing section that have not experienced those same fears at some time.
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Thank you ;)

Now what's the best way to start? Should I go along with my first story beginning with the WWII part? Or start right from the two male and female enhanced werewolf protagonists set in the future?
 
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