Do you consider FRANKENSTEIN by Mary Shelley to be SF?

I takes one technological advance, or change, and extrapolates a plot from that, in a world that is otherwise mundane. Horror requires the threat of the unknown, usually fantastical in origin. The 'monster' in Frankenstein is not an unseen threat, it is a central character, and no fantasy devices are required to enable the character or support the plot. It is therefore not horror, it is SF.

In my reading of it, only last year, the most fantastical idea was that he could hide in a woodshed, for so long without discovery, that he learnt a foreign language. But that was incredulous, not fantastical, and I'll let Shelley off because she was only 21, and it was a long time ago that she wrote it.
 
Frankenstein was written with the intention of creating a horror (or more precisely ghost) story. But it is a horror story written within a science fiction setting, in much the same way as movies like Alien are. Th

The protagonist advances the boundaries of scientific knowledge - 'natural science' - to create life. That absolutely makes it science fiction. There are elements of fantasy, horror and romance and Shelley raises a number of philosophical questions, but it remains even to this day a work of speculative science fiction.
 
It is science fiction when a story relates how a pile of dead body parts brought to life and ultimately able to intellectually compete with natural born humans includes interactions with society that causes conflicts between the two because of their needs to survive. That is one of the ideas running Blade Runner. It is also a situation that might turn up in everyday life if the handling of cloned humans imitates The Planet Of The Apes. The monster who wasn't a monster, educated himself. Would the education of clones be left up to anyone or would strict protocols be implemented so the clones never got the idea they were superior to human beings. If these thoughts horrify you, perhaps this indicates that horror is a subset of science fiction, making science fiction extraordinarily old.
 
I believe John W Campbell Jr said the Odyssey was science fiction for its day.
 
Why can't it be both, AND a philosophical warning about mankind dabbling with forces (science, medicine, viewed by some in the day as heresy) reserved for God? With mankind unable to responsibly and correctly use those 'secrets,' when they try to, they create an abomination, a monster.
Hence, The Modern Prometheus.

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I always felt Frankenstein was more an early horror book than science fiction. Although it does have sci-fi elements, (and it’s pronounced “Fronkensteen“. )
 
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Yes, it's been called the first true sci-fi novel. It's also horror, but then again, it's also tragedy. So I'd say sci-fi is the clearest category. That's not to say it was the first sci-fi story, but then again, sci-fi wasn't a very definite genre until later; proto-science fiction can be found in The Arabian Nights. Even stories of time travel were long explained through magic. Kepler's Somnium is sometimes considered the first work of sci-fi, even though the inhabitants are described as demons. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who read Micromégas. I thought it was much more obscure.
 
Yes, it is more science of the time and less horror from what I remember reading it many years ago.
 
Yes, it is more science of the time and less horror from what I remember reading it many years ago.

In William Beckfords Vathek there's mention of the Pre Adamite Sultans who ruled Earth before the advent of mankind.
 
Science is usually thought of as something the Greeks set up. If there was science, then there was also science fiction. A flying chariot can be thought of as fantasy, but it is science fiction that makes it fly. Along with the flying castles, super weapons, time travel, and everything else that has been dreamt up for a few thousands of years.

Shamans had to have a good working knowledge of the local pharmaceutical properties of their environment, and probably traded ideas and materials along the way to increase their abilities to carry out their tribal roles in a responsible way. This pushes working science back even further. In order to get credit for their accomplishments, Shamans needed pencils and paper to document everything they did. Then again, being able to store all that information inside the head deserves a lot more credit than is given. They can't be blamed for relying on word of mouth to carry on their history, even though it mostly ended when the last voice in their line died. Sure there were ignorant shamans, and ones who took advantage of their social position, but that is still being practiced today, so it doesn't discount their efforts to make things work in a predictable way for the benefit of their communities. While the medical industry may bristle at the idea that shamans were practicing doctors, that is what they were doing. Medicine is applied science.

Mary Shelley was the first person in modern times to make use of modern day publishing to get her ideas out into the public world where it could be seen for hundreds, and maybe thousands of years. It is her ideas that shaped the story into a warning about how modern technology could develop stuff that could have a life of its own. The questions she raised are still going unanswered and we are coming closer and closer into breathing life into inert matter. Even if we start out with just one living cell and create full bodied life out of that we are still stuck with the same questions that she raised. She was the first modern person to use modern ideas about science, life, medicine, education, and philosophy to create a story that still resonates within us because the story is based on real ideas and asked real questions that we still don't know the answer to. But she wasn't the first person to write or dream up science fiction that had social consequences.

The horror aspect of the story was cemented in place by Hollywood and the movie industry. Instead of focusing on the social and philosophical aspects of the story, the movies thrived on shock value, human ambition, and science, all of which creates spectacular horror shows. The movie character Frankenstein is far more well known than his bookworm cousin. I don't know what it is about the original movies, but they seem like magnificent sculptures of sight and sound created by old world masters compared to most of the later movies that came afterwards. Anyone ever see Frankenstein 1970? Sure the horror kept coming in brilliant color, but it was sidetracked by directors trying to reinvent a story that doesn't need reinventing. Hammer films did a great job of keeping the original horror aspect alive by amplifying the original stories and films without distorting them, allowing the movies to carry the manufactured horror of the monster straight into our minds.

Perhaps the strongest message the original Frankenstein brought forward is that we shouldn't empower ourselves by overpowering others.
 
An alternative, and possibly simpler take is that Mary Shelley, A well educated, independent and unconventional lady, with a radical upbringing, was staying in a nice house in Italy with a bunch of bohemian literary types who were neither short of talent nor opium, and who did some great writing whilst significantly under the influence, and who took a famous bet. She produced a masterpiece.
And yes, it is SF.
 
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What about Johannes Kepler's 1608 science fiction novel Somnium ?

Classifies the Kepler and Shelley as science fiction before the genre. The Kepler appears third in its list:

1516 Thomas More, Utopia
1627 Francis Bacon, New Atlantis
1634 Johannes Kepler, A Dream
 
Yes, Frankenstein is most definitely within the SF genre. It still holds true to that fact to this very day, due to two reasons: They use a form of science, not magic, so it falls out of fantasy on that technicality. Second, it is still impossible to resurrect a corpse in such a fashion, let alone a stitched together one. Hence, the fiction part. It most likely always lie within the genre.
 
Frankenstein wasn't written as a science fiction story, it was written as a ghost story. It just so happens that the method by which the creature is animated is by scientific methods. This was inspired by the work of Galvani in relation to the author, the protagonist of the story by a natural event of electricity and galvanism.

Just how much of the finished story was related in the original tale told by Mary that fateful Summer of 1816? No doubt the original idea was later 'padded out' in order to make it into a complete novel, and the additional writing and influence of others (perhaps Byron in particular) added more of the surrealism and intellectual questions that the finished work encompasses.

Most of the films recreate the horror which was the original intention of the author, and leave little doubt as to who is the villain and who the monster. But Frankenstein (ironically) , and just like many other great literary creations has taken on a life of it's own, and it's influences are far removed from the original work of art, but perhaps not so removed from the intentions of it's creator.
 
This is interesting enough to check out exactly what happened for the development of the story and its progression into a play, that many people, including Mary, went to see. She rewrote it in 1831, the dreaded rewrite for a wider audience. In 2008, the Bodleian published a new edition of Frankenstein, edited by Charles E. Robinson, that contains comparisons of Mary Shelley's original text with Percy Shelley's additions and interventions alongside. Frankenstein is not my idea of a ghost. I don't even like ghost stories but I watch the classic Frankensteins any time they pop up. Odds are Frankenstein will actually become real at some point in the future while ghosts will just be fancy mechanical holograms that could be highly useful, but without a breath of life in them.

People have been trying to find connections between the story and actual scientific events. You don't really need one to one links. I belong to a couple of poetry groups and it is not uncommon when people are writing poems spur of the moment, a fresh new poem in less than a week, to be influenced by news events. Many times with no planning, common themes and thoughts are embedded in each person's writing with no communication between writers. What is happening at the time can not only influence but also shape what one is writing at the time.

I looked to see what came of the other 3 writers' stories. There was a doctor traveling with Percy, John William Polidori, who Mary talked to. Found out that Percey sketched out a vampire tale based on local legends which developed into 2 stories. One by Percy and later, one by the doctor in 1819, which some say started the modern sexy vampire genre flying. The doctor's story was later published unauthorized by a magazine but under Byron's name. There was no fallout from that between the two. That was the good old days when book publishers would pick up a popular story and reprint it and sell it to book peddlers who sold copies all over the city. The ultimate in word of mouth advertising.
 

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