Reading verbose authors.

I agree @Bick . From my memory of reading The Hobbit and LOTR, Tolkien was anything but verbose, and it always surprises me when I hear people say otherwise. He gave detail, but was generally quite economic with words, I felt. In some ways I think he actually left quite a bit up to the reader's imagination.
 
I agree @Bick . From my memory of reading The Hobbit and LOTR, Tolkien was anything but verbose, and it always surprises me when I hear people say otherwise. He gave detail, but was generally quite economic with words, I felt. In some ways I think he actually left quite a bit up to the reader's imagination.
I think that may have been his genius. He provided a wonderfully rich experience, without spoon-feeding the detail. The scenes build in your mind.
 
From something I posted on 22 July 2012:

Now how does [Tolkien's] prose work? Well, an essay by John Rateliff, from Tolkien Studies #6, seems to me to get closer than about anything else I have seen. Rateliff writes:

....first I want to draw attention to Tolkien’s own description of how his prose works, of what he was trying to achieve. In one of the endnotes appended to “On Fairy-stories,” he includes the following revealing passage setting forth his narrative method, in which he makes clear his goal of writing in such a way as to draw in his readers, making them participate in the creation of the fictional world by encouraging them to draw on their own personal memories when reading one of his evocative passages:

[quoting Tolkien:]..... If a story says “he climbed a hill and saw a river in the valley below,” the illustrator may catch, or nearly catch, his own vision of such a scene; but every hearer of the words will have his own picture, and it will be made out of all the hills and rivers and dales he has ever seen, but specially out of The Hill, The River, The Valley which were for him the first embodiment of the word. ....

Rateliff continues:

Tolkien’s contrast here of a single image presented to the passive viewer with the internal personalized visualization of a reader, who thus participates in the (sub)creation of the work, is of a piece with his championing, in the Foreword of the second edition to The Lord of the Rings, of what he calls applicability: his refusal to impose a single authorial or “allegorical” meaning on a work. I would argue that the style in which he chose to write, which he painstakingly developed over several decades until it reached its peak in The Hobbit and Farmer Giles of Ham and The Lord of the Rings and some of the late Silmarillion material, is deliberately crafted to spark reader participation. That many readers do get drawn in is witnessed by the intense investment so many people have in these books, the strong personal connection they form with the story, the almost visceral rejection of illustrations or dramatizations that do not fit their own inner vision of the characters, the returning to reread the books again and again to renew our acquaintance with the imaginary world.

[Rateliff quotes a Tolkien passage and ... comments:]

note that in the passage from Tolkien, he does not describe every detail—what color were the rocks? who was on either side of Frodo as he sat huddled against the bitter cold? But Tolkien does tell us everything we need to know, in general terms with just enough specific detail to bring the scene home, to guide the reader’s imagination, to draw on our own memories of being cold and frozen, exhausted and miserable. We do not need to know what Frodo looked like, because we are looking through his eyes; too much detail would actually limit the applicability......

.....he often describes a scene not as you would experience it but as you would remember it afterwards. That is, his prose assumes the tone of things which have already happened, as they are stored in our memory. Thus the “walking bits,” which have so annoyed impatient readers who are only reading for the plot, do not in fact detail every day of Frodo’s year-long journey but instead are rendered down to a relatively few vivid images, such as would linger in the memory long after the event. After you have read these passages and think back on them, they very strongly resemble your actual memories of similar events (in fact, the very ones that provided the mental images that flashed through your mind when reading them) : a general recollection of where you were and what you were doing anchored by a few sharp, vivid, specific details that stand out. Thus the memory of reading the story gains the associations of events in the reader’s own life, because the one has already drawn upon the other.

------Thus Rateliff. What he says, including that final paragraph immediately above, rings true.
 
What I find surprising is if you go back to authors like Chekov and the like, even short stories were verbose.

I read this days ago and it keeps coming to mind. Chekhov verbose? I've read many of his short stories and letters and his wonderful novella "The Steppe" (that one many times) -- and "verbose" is not a word that would come to my mind to describe his writing, so I will ask for examples.
 
Different spokes, but although I prefer a more economic read, I'm very much like Teresa in that if I like the style, I love the odd purple or run-on. Dickens does it wonderfully, as does Forster. I've struggled with some Lovecraft but I think that might be because I have that black and gold celebration edition of all his work and it's a doorstop. I suspect I just found it cumbersome and hard to concentrate reading a lot of adjectivised verbs and whatnot on the 123 to Tottenham.

If I feel the author is being self-conscious and 'clever' (how I assess, that I can't say, just a gut feeling I suppose) I'll give it a miss, but then I'm also one of those readers who hate giving up on a book.

Doesn't SK say something in On Writing about using 50c words when a 5c one would do the job better? Something along those lines.

Now I think about it, some of my writing is probably too purple for folks.

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I read this days ago and it keeps coming to mind. Chekhov verbose? I've read many of his short stories and letters and his wonderful novella "The Steppe" (that one many times) -- and "verbose" is not a word that would come to my mind to describe his writing, so I will ask for examples.
What I have found in my opinion (I only have one book of a collection of his short stories) is that the size of the stories are greater than what we would class as a short story today. It’s a long time since I’ve read any but Ward No. 6 springs to mind.
 
Foxbat, you’re saying Chekhov’s short stories are often longer than short stories by today’s authors, but not that his stories use a lot more words than is desirable? I’d agree, if that’s what you mean. His stories are economical in their telling, but the story he has to tell might take more pages than the stories some modern authors have to tell. I’d buy that.
 
Yes. That’s what I meant.

I remember when I was first recommended reading Chekov. I was surprised at the length of some of the short stories. But that brings to mind the fact that I was more used to reading the likes of Asimov and and other more modern stories (modern at the time...it was many years ago).

It brings me back to my thought in my previous post that perhaps it was more about what I had conditioned myself to read rather than the piece itself.
 
I view verbose writing as a welcome challenge to read. As long as I have a dictionary handy, it's not too problematic for me. I like expanding my diction.
 
I think we're looking at this from the wrong angle and that verboseness isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think we all have authors that we adore and are much more forgiving of when it comes to word count.

It also reminded me of this meme, which I found quite amusing.

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