History myths that persist.

"In school, we’re used to seeing the globe spin around, but did you know that the sizes of each country are wildly off from their actual square mileage? On our globe, Canada looks larger than the United States, but the U.S. is actually bigger!"
This is only true if you ask the question exactly the right way. If you ask which country has the greatest land mass, the answer is the USA. But if you include the open water in the country (as I would think anyone would expect) the answer is Canada.

Canada & the USA
 
This is only true if you ask the question exactly the right way. If you ask which country has the greatest land mass, the answer is the USA. But if you include the open water in the country (as I would think anyone would expect) the answer is Canada.

Canada & the USA
Are we talking Hudson Bay? Can we give the US credit for the Gulf of Mexico between Key West and Brownsville? :ROFLMAO:
 
Are we talking Hudson Bay? Can we give the US credit for the Gulf of Mexico between Key West and Brownsville? :ROFLMAO:
In the water area measurement are you including all of the territorial water around each of the Aleutian Islands in Alaska -- How about the entirety of the Hawaiian Island chain all the way to midway. NOAA's official value for the total length of the U.S. shoreline is 95,471 miles. So that times 12 Nautical miles is another million square miles (260 million Hectare). Where does that get us?
 
I could change the thread title to "History Urban Myths that Persist" if that helps. Or, "Popular Historical Misconceptions that Persist".

I was also told that the Bikini was invented following nuclear testing on Bikini Atoll, named because there was nothing left of it, but clearly, as with many "inventions" (including the electric light bulb) it was more of a longer, slower development over time, involving many people.

I was also told as a child that Carrots help you "to see in the dark", but then I was also told that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy were real too. Many of the historical stories we are told in primary school as children are perpetuated myths. The problem is that they aren't ever corrected by History teaching later, so that adults still believe them.

Also, some of those "myths" quoted are as a result of Hollywood movies. it is unfortunate that dramatised versions of events become the generally accepted versions when they play so loosely with history. (They call it artistic license and use it for dramatic effect.) There has been quite a run of different TV series lately that have been based upon quite recent events - things that I vaguely remember from the 1960's. '70's and '80's but was too young to have taken much notice at the time - I'm certain that they are not historically accurate because they even tell you this in the credits, but they are the version of events that everyone younger than myself are going to remember.

Thomas Edison did probably try out heating many more different materials as filaments in vacuums than anyone else, before deciding that Tungsten was best, even if he was beaten to that find. In the UK, we usually credit Joseph Swan as the person responsible for developing and supplying the first incandescent lights used to illuminate homes and public buildings, but even he was just one of many early developers. There were far more independent inventors back then (and less corporate) all working alone. Communications were poorer and it was possible for several people to come up with exactly the same idea independently, all at the same time.

As for bias in cartography, it is impossible represent the curved two-dimensional surface of a globe on a plane and not to have any bias. There are many different kinds of map projections that have been used to represent the world, and each has some kind of bias. I don't see that as an "urban myth" really, but rather a lack of understanding about how cartography works. Clearly, the author of that article doesn't understand either, as the a "globe" is the only correct representation.
 
It can be easy to forget that prior to the internet, most knowledge (outside of the standard school curriculum) was got from tv programmes, friends or 'the man in the pub'. So a discussion on something as simple as 'Who won the FA Cup in 1985' could lead to a number of opinions before reaching a general consensus which no-one knew for sure was 100% accurate.

Something a bit more complicated such as 'do carrots help you see in the dark' could only be answered if you knew someone knowledgeable on the subject (unlikely) or by going to a library and (maybe) finding a book that gave you the answer - or at least an answer. Obviously nowadays we have instant knowledge, which can have its own problems with deliberate misinformation, varying opinions and the fact that it is far too easy to type something into your phone than to go out and find the answer yourself.

One example of a misconception I had when a small child was having watched the movie 'Planet of the Apes', then listening to the news that always seemed to be talking about guerrilla military activity. It was only years later that I realised it wasn't gorillas running around with machine guns and rifles, attacking humans.
 
I took it that they meant Mercator projection and that famous world map. Where the poles stretch off to infinity (making Antartica, by far, the biggest continent )


My understanding was the size and positioning of countries on maps was (to some extent) reflect their 'importance' in world affairs, so the UK looks bigger than it should and usually sits slap bang in the middle on 2 dimensional maps.
 
Maybe the myths popularised by Hollywood movies continue to be believed because movies tend to explain history as a set of logical, interdependent events following on from one another. It has to be like that as most movies are ‘stories’ that demand a sequence.

Whereas, in reality, a lot of history is made by emotional triggers experienced by the ‘actors’ rather than logical thought processes.

People prefer to believe that the world is / was an ordered, logical place.

I remember from my sales training that the belief that buyers base their decisions on value isn’t necessarily true and that emotion plays a big part - I like IBM kit - and it’s the most difficult type of decision to counter argue.

But when, in a movie, do we see an actor making a decision, or taking an action, out of the blue that they couldn't really explain? The script writer just wouldn’t do it.
 
In the US we are taught how important the Laws setup by the Massachusetts Bay Colony were in influencing the US Constitution's 1st Amendment separation of church and state. The implied - or sometimes directly stated - claim was that the ideals of the Puritans were instrumental to this important part of the US Constitution.

Somehow, the writers of these history books exclude the part where the Puritans in New England had run a government controlled by their church. Membership in the church was required to be involved in the colony government. And the laws passed were often both extreme and religion based. The Puritans outlawed the celebration of Christmas and Easter, for example. In 1692 the New England Puritans sent an emissary to the court of William & Mary to renew their charter. They asked for more control over more territory in New England. William & Mary reorganized several of the colonies in the Americas including the formation of the Massachusetts Bay Colony (with expanded territory) but required the separation of the church from the governance of the colony, requiring free practice of religion unhindered by the government, and requiring a governor appointed by the crown.

Thus it was William & Mary, over the objection of the New England Puritans, that provided the basis for the separation of church and state in the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

It's hard to summarize the tale because both American and English history related to this is so involved -- and interesting.
The Puritan rule in England under Cromwell had been recently deposed. The Catholic King James was removed after. William & Mary were brought over Europe in no small part because they were non-Puritan protestants.
In the Americas, as the Puritan emissary arrived in England, the Salem witch trials were getting started with over 100 accused witches arrested over the following two years. This coincided with negotiations over the colony charter.
 
The portrayal of corsets in media. They weren't these garments that were impossible to move in, and stifled one's breath. Most people who wear corsets today wear ill-fitting corsets, and so struggle a lot more than women in the past would have. Historically, a corset would be fitted/made over a period of time (weeks, I believe) in order to have the garment conform to the wearer's body well enough that it wouldn't impede breath or mobility.

If I recall correctly, there were fads where women would slim down using corsets, and I don't know this, but I'm sure that women would at times wear secondhand corsets or similar, but it certainly wasn't a fact of life that every woman just had to restrict her breathing to be presentable in society.
 
The perpetuation of the myth of 'Bloody' Mary. In a time when execution was rife, she was far less 'bloody' than both her father and her sister. For example Elizabeth was Queen Mary's greatest rival and most significant threat to her throne and to her religion; yet she let her live, when so easily she could have gone to the scaffold. When Elizabeth came to the throne, Mary (Queen of Scots) was her greatest rival and most significant threat to her throne and her religion; Elizabeth had her executed.

Of course, Henry topped them both, executing ten of thousands in his purges against common folk whose main crime was to question the King's decision to allow his country to be torn asunder because of a petty dispute with the Pope. Yet only Mary became infamous as the murderous monarch.
 
I insist that if the US has the greater land mass it hand over some territory to redress the balance immediately. Top half of New York State perhaps?
I don't know, do we really want any of that 'crazy land'? For the record, I have many American friends. Don't want to piss off any Yankees.
 
The perpetuation of the myth of 'Bloody' Mary. In a time when execution was rife, she was far less 'bloody' than both her father and her sister. For example Elizabeth was Queen Mary's greatest rival and most significant threat to her throne and to her religion; yet she let her live, when so easily she could have gone to the scaffold. When Elizabeth came to the throne, Mary (Queen of Scots) was her greatest rival and most significant threat to her throne and her religion; Elizabeth had her executed.

Of course, Henry topped them both, executing ten of thousands in his purges against common folk whose main crime was to question the King's decision to allow his country to be torn asunder because of a petty dispute with the Pope. Yet only Mary became infamous as the murderous monarch.
Um... no.

Mary had no legitimate reason to execute Elizabeth -- she hated Anne Boleyn and doubted Elizabeth's adherence to Catholic doctrine, and she was undoubtedly exhorted to kill her by all the Catholic bigots around her, but she had no evidence of scheming or plotting by Elizabeth against her own position -- Elizabeth made no effort to usurp the throne, obeyed all religious strictures and simply bided her time, as Mary herself had done during the reign of her half-brother. And without a child of her own to succeed her, Elizabeth's execution would have risked the throne of England falling into the clutches of the French, the enemies of her husband, Philip of Spain, since Mary Queen of Scots was betrothed to the Dauphin and was living in France before marrying him in 1558.

As for Mary Queen of Scots, she was actively involved in plotting against the throne, seeking to usurp Elizabeth -- she may ultimately have been driven to it by desperation and agents provocateurs, but it was genuine involvement and warranted her death. Nonetheless, Elizabeth was chary of having her executed, delayed and delayed, and even to the end didn't want to do it and fulminated against her officials when it was done. Quite unlike Bloody Mary who had Jane Grey and Guildford Dudley immediately executed after Wyatt's rebellion, though Jane herself -- no more than 17 years old -- was in no way responsible for it or her father's actions. That was a needless execution, far beyond anything Elizabeth did.

And the "Bloody Mary" epithet came about because of her execution of the Protestant Martyrs, few of whom were any threat at all to her -- over 300 of them were killed during her reign, an average of over 90 a year. During Elizabeth's reign the Catholic threat against her and her throne was real, and though some 200 Catholics were executed for treason, even if we accept them as martyrs for their faith, that's still only an average of some 8 a year, so hardly comparable.

Yes, Henry's actions such as around the Pilgrimage of Grace caused the death of many, but this was revolt/rebellion and was always going to put down in a brutal fashion. And frankly, describing the schism as a "petty dispute with the Pope" suggests a lack of understanding of all the issues involved.
 

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