3 Body Problem (US SF Series) - Netflix

Watched half of the first episode last night. Production values are there, but the writing is awful - the writers have tried to turn a sedate and somber murder mystery into something edgy by filling it with as much swearing and sexual posturing as possible. Along with plenty of sexual insults and suggestions. I mean the whole section "Are you fighting or f***ing" was just plain cringe.

The result is it all feels very artificial and forced so far - the supposed 5 friends feel like nothing of the sort. There's no attempt at realism in the interactions. I'm really surprised they haven't thrown in any full frontal nudity or sex just to show how edgy the show can be. This does not look promising.
 
Watched half of the first episode last night. Production values are there, but the writing is awful - the writers have tried to turn a sedate and somber murder mystery into something edgy by filling it with as much swearing and sexual posturing as possible. Along with plenty of sexual insults and suggestions. I mean the whole section "Are you fighting or f***ing" was just plain cringe.

The result is it all feels very artificial and forced so far - the supposed 5 friends feel like nothing of the sort. There's no attempt at realism in the interactions. I'm really surprised they haven't thrown in any full frontal nudity or sex just to show how edgy the show can be. This does not look promising.
If you can watch the Tencent version (or at least the beginning), I'd be interested in hearing your take on it.
 
Watched half of the first episode last night. Production values are there, but the writing is awful - the writers have tried to turn a sedate and somber murder mystery into something edgy by filling it with as much swearing and sexual posturing as possible. Along with plenty of sexual insults and suggestions. I mean the whole section "Are you fighting or f***ing" was just plain cringe.

The result is it all feels very artificial and forced so far - the supposed 5 friends feel like nothing of the sort. There's no attempt at realism in the interactions. I'm really surprised they haven't thrown in any full frontal nudity or sex just to show how edgy the show can be. This does not look promising.
Although I haven't watched it, this is exactly how I imagine it.

I think abysmal screen writing is a common problem with dramatizations these days. Take the Wheel of Time for example. Some of the dialogue was borderline illiterate. Rosamund Pike has a degree in English Literature from Oxford, FFS. I wonder if she questioned any of the lines she and her colleagues were required to annunciate.
 
Watched half of the first episode last night. Production values are there, but the writing is awful - the writers have tried to turn a sedate and somber murder mystery into something edgy by filling it with as much swearing and sexual posturing as possible. Along with plenty of sexual insults and suggestions. I mean the whole section "Are you fighting or f***ing" was just plain cringe.

The result is it all feels very artificial and forced so far - the supposed 5 friends feel like nothing of the sort. There's no attempt at realism in the interactions. I'm really surprised they haven't thrown in any full frontal nudity or sex just to show how edgy the show can be. This does not look promising.
The second half of the first episode was much better - then again, it was a direct adaptation from the book for the most part. Really interesting and gripping. Good to see the show improve, but hoping for less of the gutter writing where it drifts from the book.
 
Nicci and I have watched the first four episodes. I haven't read the book, so we're approaching it as newbies. Rather enjoying it so far. There are some "issues," like what on earth happens to "science going wrong" in episodes 2,3,4... I didn't think the Jack character was too ott, quite amusing I thought. Overall, intriguing, albeit with some naff dialogue and a few cringes. Definitely worth persevering with.
 
I think Netflix has completely disabled taking screenshot. Maybe their excuse is the piracy, but it's making my life harder.

It surprises me that the 'blinking' was everywhere, not just in the mind of those two boffins. Saul was somewhat high when he saw it, but for some reason he went to confess to Chinese Grandmum that he thought the event was BS.

He cited the space based instruments as the proof because none of them saw it. Just the people on Earth, as if their reality had been captured by alien psiops. Yet, he couldn't tell who had done it.

Auggie however went to her lab to see nanofiber alloy experiment with 9 minutes on the clock. She obviously was aware of the prediction, but just simply couldn't give up on her work. She had to see her stuff work, before she gave up on the whole thing. Yet, the countdown went on to torment her till one and half minutes has crossed the clock.

Outside her firm, the DI caught the girl and popped the question, "Why the stars flickered at you?"

The answer didn't come straight away as we the viewers were whisked away to see the original chinese astroboffin, locked in the mountain top dish facility to question the Authorities. They told them that Westerners had been broadcasting longer and they've only been putting out 25 MW for a few years.

The thing that they couldn't answer was the signal observation between Earth, Jupiter and the Sun. The astroboffin explained some physics braking observations where the signals crossed faster than light between the celestial bodies as if they were in some higher dimensional beings. But that's the thing cause living planets doesn't equate well with the Hard Science, even if a recent paper was put out on our Sun being alive.

Funny thing about that is that the officer nicked the idea, presented it to the superior and got blamed for the idea of blasting "the red sun" with messages, because it didn't sit well with the CCP ideology.Yet, the lady couldn't give up on the idea and so she manipulated the experiment and did it anyway, without authorities approval.

We'll see it if it was successful.

Back in the London, the DI had transported Auggie to his office, and allowed her to smoke indoors while he showed that her alien friend couldn't be caught in the cameras. It was all in her head. Yet, her ciggie got lit up. So it wasn't all in her head. The alien was definitely there. Fact about that is it is happening in the real life, and it's one of the 'observables' in the UAP/Alien cases.

Speaking of which Jun donned the alien helmet once again after Auggie's session, and I was kind of corrent in the era as Jun was taken back in the Ancient First Emperor's China, and she was given a mission to "solve this world's riddle" even though the NPC denied on being one. When she asked, "What if I fail?" on determining "if the era was stable or chaotic," she was given a demonstration with freakish Sun inflating a small child, and then the NPC task giver rolling her up as if it was totally normal.

Man, this program is weird, :LOL:

Not the only one thinking about weirdness, Jin hauled to the failed Oxford Five, Jack, who made the observation that the helmet wasn't a typical Apple or Sony product. Straight away inside the game he could tell by being able to taste the dirt that the device was beyond our technical capabilities, before his head was chopped off, and he rudely kicked back in the real world.

On the next day Saul caught Auggie outside on WE1 house and apologized for not answering the calls. Being pissed off Auggie raved at his face, and then walked off, obviously pissed at everything.

Yet, the weird thing happened at the DI, who tended his wife grave caught up with the alien girl. The only thing they talked about was how their loved ones died. No countdown or warnings or anything. The weirdness didn't stop there as at the evening Jack was given a gift of alien helmet and a written invitation to play the game. Being a geek, he couldn't say no, so he donned the helmet and was transported to old England that was going through the same problem as the First Emperor's China.

It was the first time I laughed as he went on full geek and did punch the NPC task giver and examined him physically as if it was his privilege. He even went to rave about the game to his best mate, until the last of Oxford Five delivered news on him having a terminal cancer. That riled Jack up good and proper, and he properly scolded Will with ideas that could never work, because it is the will of the patient who determines for how long they're going to put up the fight.

Speaking of which Jin taking the seriously entered the First Emperor's pyramid and explained to the Emperor that councillor's 'I Ching' was just a prophecy, and not a real science. Yet, her science was proven false by the 'Councillor's Code' turned out magical, just like Jin ability to shift time inside the pyramid as the world transformed from sun scorched back to a real one with oceans and everything, for the "masses to rehydrate."

A moment later all the good will was taken away as the Sun left the planet and left it behind to become a snowball planet in the matter of minutes. While everyone else died, she survived in the long night only to be told that she'd been taken back to level 2, where she would have to save the civilization by using science.

But we didn't get to see what happened as the DI walked into the bosses office and told him about the 'Wow signal' and then "one observatory in the China" had done the same thing back in 1977. So we were whisked back to the original astroboffin, who were allowed to walk outside her 'prison' to see a westerner living inside the zone of hacked forests.

He turned out to be a biologist, in pursuit of saving lives of countless species. The biologist scolded the astroboffin for wasting all life for one small radio observatory. And she promised to him that she'd try to stop the party from advancing the stupidity.

As if the Karma was revolving around her, she was given a chance to talk to the lady who killed her daddy. And she walked away after hearing that she wasn't sorry about what happened because the Party ideology was all her world. She was locked in it, while the astroboffin had turned hers around. On that evening she received back a signal from the stars, who told her that she was not to reply, only to listen, because they were warning her that if she would do it, they "would come and conquer the world."

The program is weird and somewhat funny. The weirdness is approaching the Raised by Wolves levels and it's revolving around the multiverse theory.
 
I haven't started watching this yet, maybe tonight. @Brian G Turner 's comments about the second part of part one being better was positive, but...
The weirdness is approaching the Raised by Wolves levels
...that's a big negative for me. I don't mind a "Multiverse theory" story. I liked Everything Everywhere All At Once and Sliders, but it must make some sense. Raised by Wolves makes no sense.
 
I think Netflix has completely disabled taking screenshot. Maybe their excuse is the piracy, but it's making my life harder.
I can still do screenshots, but perhaps that is because I work with Linux, not Windows.
It is easy to make deals with a company like Microsoft to prevent screenshots, but not with Linux because that is an OS that has dozens of dialects which are all developed and maintained by different groups of volunteers.
For that same reason Canal Digital doesn't support Linux PC's anymore; Kill what you can't control. I expect other streaming services to follow this example sooner or later. Not that it will convince me to return to Windows, ever.
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The program is weird and somewhat funny. The weirdness is approaching the Raised by Wolves levels and it's revolving around the multiverse theory.

I haven't started watching this yet, maybe tonight. @Brian G Turner 's comments about the second part of part one being better was positive, but...

...that's a big negative for me. I don't mind a "Multiverse theory" story. I liked Everything Everywhere All At Once and Sliders, but it must make some sense. Raised by Wolves makes no sense.

Yes, it has a lot of weirdness, but much of that will be explained at some point. Whether that is technologically or scientifically convincing is another matter. It remains intriguing.
I never finished watching Raised by Wolves, but from what I did see I don't think that comparison is valid.
 
I've watched the first two episodes. In case anyone was worried, it's nothing at all like Raised by Wolves. There are unanswered questions, but I'd expect that in only episode 2 of 8. The "ghost" woman who died in 1909 is one such puzzle. How the American gets from hippy environmentalist saving birds in China, to CEO of the largest independent energy company in the world, would be another. This would be how the multiverse is involved, no doubt.

The younger, present day characters seem stupid for Oxford and Imperial post-grads. I understood the function of the "Game" immediately. This is how the aliens want to communicate the 3 Body problem of their own world, by placing them in scenarios, culturally relevant to the particular player. Hence, Jack was not invited to the Chinese version. I'm assuming that the problem solving will ramp up somewhat in higher levels, so I hope they are up to it. Some of the dialogue is very clunky.

Silent Spring certainly has a powerful message, but not enough to make you sell out the world to unknown aliens with an unknown agenda?

There was some surprise that 1970's alien signals were all in numbers. How are you going to send a message in Chinese without first also sending the decipher to the code for the Chinese symbols being sent? And how exactly do you send that? It's much easier to send on/off or long and short bursts (dots and dashes) than different frequencies, and that leans itself to binary numbers. Alternatively, you send music as they did in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
 
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Did anyone else think there was a lot of cigarette smoking going on? I think it was heavily used as a storytelling device to a) show that people were very stressed b) give a reason to get two characters separated from the group. There should be better ways to achieve both those. Two women don't really need an excuse to go off to the ladies' to discuss something.

Maybe I'm just showing my age. Apparently, one report says smoking is most prevalent among Millennials (44%), followed by Generation X consumers (36%). Another says that people aged 25 to 34 years have the highest proportion of current smokers in the UK (16.3%); those aged 65 years and over had the lowest (8.3%). On the other hand, smoking is at it's lowest since records began, and more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups, which this group is clearly not, as it includes millionaires. In any case, it is vaping and e-cigarettes that are more common in these younger age groups.
 
Did anyone else think there was a lot of cigarette smoking going on? I think it was heavily used as a storytelling device to a) show that people were very stressed b) give a reason to get two characters separated from the group. There should be better ways to achieve both those. Two women don't really need an excuse to go off to the ladies' to discuss something.
I was very surprised of it and pleased by them having balls to do it. Thing is, Netflix isn't BBC, so they obviously have allowed them to have freedoms.
 
Did anyone else think there was a lot of cigarette smoking going on? I think it was heavily used as a storytelling device to a) show that people were very stressed b) give a reason to get two characters separated from the group. There should be better ways to achieve both those. Two women don't really need an excuse to go off to the ladies' to discuss something.

Maybe I'm just showing my age. Apparently, one report says smoking is most prevalent among Millennials (44%), followed by Generation X consumers (36%). Another says that people aged 25 to 34 years have the highest proportion of current smokers in the UK (16.3%); those aged 65 years and over had the lowest (8.3%). On the other hand, smoking is at it's lowest since records began, and more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups, which this group is clearly not, as it includes millionaires. In any case, it is vaping and e-cigarettes that are more common in these younger age groups.
It is one the things that struck me most in the novels. Several characters, including main characters, were basically chain smokers. I assumed the outlook on smoking in China was lagging compared to that of westerners.
So yes, I was surprised to see this amount of smoking back in the series. Not that I mind, mind you. A lot of people do (still) smoke and some level of realism is essential in series.
 
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It was the realism that I meant. There is certainly more smoking in China, but in the scenes that were set here in Oxford/London it seemed out of place to me. When I start thinking about that, or something else, rather than the story itself, then in my opinion the storytelling has failed. Of course, I'm only up to episode 2. Maybe it is an alternative universe where smoking is more prevalent, and I don't know this yet? Maybe, as @ctg suggests, the producers wanted to make some social-political or other kind of point, but I'd doubt that. It's much more likely that the Chinese characters in the book smoked and they didn't want to change that. They change everything else, but not that. :unsure:
 
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