Feast Chapters

[toydle]

Any thaught on who the chapters will cover? Jamie-yes, Tyrion-maybe, Jon(unfortunately) no. If the iron islands are going to be included than there has to be a Stark. Maybe Bran? Come on people help me out who's gonna be included and how long does publishing take?

 

[The Other]

A Feast for Crows will revolve around the happenings of the Southern regions of Westeros. This will include Kings Landing, Dorne and the Iron Islands. As for characters featured, pretty much all of the ones in previous books (minus the dead and undead ones) and one or two new ones. So thats Jaime, possibly his sister as well, Tyrion probably will not feature in Feast (More likely in Dance) and that leaves room for some new ones.
A Dance of Dragons is mostly the North and other lands. So thats Arya, Bran, Jon, Dany and Tyrion.
I don't know how long publishing takes but Dance is more than half way done, so hopefully we will see another in the near (errr semi-near depending on GRRM's work schedule) future.
Hope that helps.

 

[jnr_turtle]

I'm guessing that's there's gonna be new PoV from someone in Dorne since it's starting to have more political significance in Westeros.

 

[Jay]

I'm guessing that's there's gonna be new PoV from someone in Dorne since it's starting to have more political significance in Westeros.

Thats already been cofirmed.

 

[Culhwch]

So thats Jaime, possibly his sister as well

Cersei is definitely in - there's a sample of one her chapters floating around. I was under the impression that the prologue will be of Arys Oakheart in Sunspear, but don't know if he or someone else will be the PoV in Dorne. No one has mentioned Sansa thus far, but I'd assume she would have a sizeable role.

 

[Jinglehopper]

You're right, Sansa will probably be bigger than we all thought. I hope she grows some balls (heh) this book and learns to stand up to Littlefinger. Or at least, learn how to scheme from him and beat him at his own game (of thrones!)

That could be wishful thinking though I suppose. She'll probably be the ineffectual pawn she has been in books 1-3.

 

[Jay]

You're right, Sansa will probably be bigger than we all thought. I hope she grows some balls (heh) this book and learns to stand up to Littlefinger. Or at least, learn how to scheme from him and beat him at his own game (of thrones

!)

Due to nature of her two POV's I don't think so

 

[Jinglehopper]

Where are her POVs? I've read a few preview chapters but not one from her.

 

[Jay]

Where are her POVs? I've read a few preview chapters but not one from her.

This is the discussion of the chapter reading:

http://p080.ezboard.com/fasoiaffrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=2207.topic&start=1&stop=20



I was not reffering so much to the chapter, as much as (SPOILER) she has two povs, oen as herself and one as her alter ego. END SPOILERS

However at this point I'm not sure even what is going to be in Feats with the splitting of the book

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

!)

Due to nature of her two POV's I don't think so

I think there's a lot more to Sansa than she knows yet. Once LF starts training her to see the bigger picture, I think she'll discover things about herself and what she is capable of. Maybe my hopes for her are too high, though...

 

[Culhwch]

Everyone is assuming she is going to be 'trained' by Littlefinger - but would she be willing? First, he creeped her out by going the pash, and then second, threw her aunt out the Moon Door. Not an entirely unchivilrous act, to be sure (the women was a fruitcake) but that has gotta leave Sansa with some serious trust issues, no?

 

[Rahl Windsong]

I truely do not see Sansa being trained by Littlefinger, I see her as somehow being the catylist to rid Westeros of the man once and for all. I am not sure how, and really that is the beauty of GRRM's stories, but she will be the reason for his demise. Her hate for him is strong and that is what will allow her the courage to do what she must, eventually.

Rahl

 

[Jay]

I don't think anyone is assuming she is going to be trained (although it's a possibility); I think the implication is she is going to learn from Littlefinger, in some way whether through directly his teaching or just by observation and being in close proximity to him; Littlefinger is no doubt a master thus far in terms of political manuvering. Also note that Sansa was bred to be a noble women who has seen, and is under the impression of the complete fall of her family; she may see Littlefinger's exploits and thin kit the best way for to regain her rightful place.

This would create the nice transiton for Sansa who was stressed as in essence the "typical court noble lady" in the begining to someone who actually has influence. Strangely enough the influence Cerseii always wanted (and in some ways has), and I think Sansa's thoughts when speaking to Cersei in the Tower (during the battle for King's Landing is telling). I think she will strike the balance between naive (her begining) and Littlefinger; who is just really the man IMHO thus far.

 

[Direwolf]

I haven't read the spoiler chapters, but I think Sansa is too important politically to not play a major role in things. She has a solid claim to Winterfell, and (along with Tyrion) is wanted for Joffrey's murder. The question I have, is what does Littlefinger want to do with her?

It seems to me that Littlefinger is at the height of his power; there are no limits to his ambition, but there are certainly limits to his capabilities. He's pretty much the reverse of Ned: a great politician but not much of a leader. He may want to be King some day, but I don't think he ever will. Any thoughts out there on his plans, and how Sansa fits into them?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

First of all, thank you Ainulindale, for helping to clarify what I was trying to say earlier. I do not think of Littlefinger formally training Sansa (what would that class be called, Lust for Power 101? Scheming 203?), but I have read the SPOILER chapter, in which it appears that he has designs on turning her into a "Mini-me" of sorts.Honestly, it's hard to say exactly what he has in mind for Sansa. However, as she is the only known survivor of the Stark family, it seems to me that his best move would be to increase his holdings and try for the North. Not to mention, it would be such a great way for Littlefinger the man to take what was denied Littlefinger the boy. Either as Sansa's husband or "father," he would hold the North and become the man who stole Catelyn away from him, in a sense.

Just my .02

 

[WinterIsComing]

I'm guessing that's there's gonna be new PoV from someone in Dorne since it's starting to have more political significance in Westeros.

We have Tommen' sister down there and the viper's woman.

 

[Direwolf]

Arya: "...it seems to me that his best move would be to increase his holdings and try for the North."

That's what I was thinking too, but I think he'd run into a few problems. First, he'd have to contend with the Greyjoys and the Boltons... he could possibly secure the North with the strength of the Vale behind him (and perhaps the Vale would rally behind Sansa), but the Boltons are allied with the Lannisters and Freys. Also, I don't think the Lannisters would want a Stark back in Winterfell, nor would they be too comfortable with Littlefinger as the Lord of Harrenhall, Warden of the East, and de-facto ruler of the North.

On the other hand, if the Dornish claim Myrcella as ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, then the Lannisters might be too busy to do anything about Littlefinger/Sansa claiming the North. And no one ever really liked the Boltons anyways.

I love these books.

Also, I agree that an important goal of Littlefinger's is basically to control Sansa, like he never could with Catelyn. It will be nice to see him fail again there.

 

[Culhwch]

Arya: "...it seems to me that his best move would be to increase his holdings and try for the North."

That's what I was thinking too, but I think he'd run into a few problems. First, he'd have to contend with the Greyjoys and the Boltons... he could possibly secure the North with the strength of the Vale behind him (and perhaps the Vale would rally behind Sansa)

But would the Vale rally behind Sansa? We know that the more powerful of the lords of the Vale weren't particularly keen on Littlefinger marrying Lysa, the Royces the most notable. Not to mention that the only people in the Vale who knew Sansa's true identity were Lysa and Petyr. Now that Lysa is little more than a red smudge on the rocks below the Eyrie, do you really think the Vale lords would bend the knee to a girl Littlefinger pulls out and claims is Sansa Stark? For a start, Sansa's got nothing to do with the Vale anyway, only the loosest connection through her aunt by marriage, no actual claims the lords could or would follow. The most likely scenario I can see is the Vale falling into a struggle for power between Littlefinger, holding the Eyrie, and Bronze Yohn Royce contesting for supreme Lord of the Vale. Of course that means I am probably as far from what actually happens as is humanly possibly....

I don't know about Littlefinger. He seems to be holding all (or at least a lot) of the strings, but we really only have his version of events to judge that by. The man is delusional - he seems to truly believe that he and Cat had something when obviously Cat thinks not. Perhaps his ingeniousnous is all in his head. Or perhaps he is just a pawn in someone else's game. I don't know. My head starts hurting when I think about ASoIaF too much...

 

[Jay]

I

don't know about Littlefinger. He seems to be holding all (or at least a lot) of the strings, but we really only have his version of events to judge that by. The man is delusional - he seems to truly believe that he and Cat had something when obviously Cat thinks not. Perhaps his ingeniousnous is all in his head.

Whether he is a pawn in another's game or not he clearly has done more for himself (and more impressely without loss) than anyone in then series. Both in respect to the timeframe of the series; and what we know about his realtively humbe beginings in in his life.

 

[jnr_turtle]

The man is delusional - he seems to truly believe that he and Cat had something when obviously Cat thinks not. Perhaps his ingeniousnous is all in his head.

Well the boy (for he was a boy back then) was drunk when he slept with Lysa, thinking it was Cat. I hear that's what alcohol does to you...